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CBiebel
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Posted: 09/23/18 1:32 pm ::: |
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Hoopsmom wrote: |
On the South Dakota State fan board, there is a person that is taking credit for lining up the SDSU / Oregon game. This is based on a tweet from the Oregon coach back in April looking for additional games... |
SDSU is one of those "we'll play anyone" programs. They're even able to get some of the top teams to visit them as well.
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NoDakSt
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Posted: 09/23/18 2:38 pm ::: |
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CBiebel wrote: |
Hoopsmom wrote: |
On the South Dakota State fan board, there is a person that is taking credit for lining up the SDSU / Oregon game. This is based on a tweet from the Oregon coach back in April looking for additional games... |
SDSU is one of those "we'll play anyone" programs. They're even able to get some of the top teams to visit them as well. |
Aaron Johnston has been able to do that since the Wabbits first transitioned to Division One 15 years ago.
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Howee
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Posted: 09/23/18 8:54 pm ::: |
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calbearman76 wrote: |
I have always backed the Pac-12 and believe that the conference is generally underrated, but I can't see three teams in the top 8. Five in the top 25 seems right. I hope that Cal can live up to this ranking. |
Speaking of which....is AZ State really all that? I know nothing about them this year.
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ClayK
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Posted: 09/24/18 9:22 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
. After all, no one looks back after the tournament and talks about the preseason schedule. All that matters is how you finish ... |
The flip side of that is that if you don't play many tough teams during the season, you might not do as well in the Tournament because you aren't used to the competition. |
I remain unconvinced that a game in December does much for you in March ... maybe it shows a team that its league competition is much weaker than what's coming up in the tournament, but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 09/24/18 11:38 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
CBiebel wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
. After all, no one looks back after the tournament and talks about the preseason schedule. All that matters is how you finish ... |
The flip side of that is that if you don't play many tough teams during the season, you might not do as well in the Tournament because you aren't used to the competition. |
I remain unconvinced that a game in December does much for you in March ... maybe it shows a team that its league competition is much weaker than what's coming up in the tournament, but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas. |
I agree with that. By the same token, I'm not sure game outcomes in November actually prove much regarding the two teams' relative strength come March. They're just not the same teams after three months and 20 more games.
I think the bigger impact of patsy scheduling may be on seeding on the infrequent occasion when the committee seems to care. And if you're right on the bubble, it can affect whether you're in or out.
But while Brenda Frese may feel differently, I think the committee too rarely pays much attention to weak schedules. It seems you really have to stick out like a sore thumb to actually get penalized for playing a joke OOC schedule.
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ucbart
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summertime blues
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Posted: 09/24/18 2:07 pm ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
CBiebel wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
. After all, no one looks back after the tournament and talks about the preseason schedule. All that matters is how you finish ... |
The flip side of that is that if you don't play many tough teams during the season, you might not do as well in the Tournament because you aren't used to the competition. |
I remain unconvinced that a game in December does much for you in March ... maybe it shows a team that its league competition is much weaker than what's coming up in the tournament, but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas. |
Agreed. This is why I'd love to see non-conference games sprinkled throughout the season, instead of being the leadup to the conference season. But..."we've always done it this way", so nothing will ever change.
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ClayK
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Posted: 09/24/18 6:27 pm ::: |
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summertime blues wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
CBiebel wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
. After all, no one looks back after the tournament and talks about the preseason schedule. All that matters is how you finish ... |
The flip side of that is that if you don't play many tough teams during the season, you might not do as well in the Tournament because you aren't used to the competition. |
I remain unconvinced that a game in December does much for you in March ... maybe it shows a team that its league competition is much weaker than what's coming up in the tournament, but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas. |
Agreed. This is why I'd love to see non-conference games sprinkled throughout the season, instead of being the leadup to the conference season. But..."we've always done it this way", so nothing will ever change. |
That's a really good idea. Have two conference games in November, say, and two more in December. Now you get the fans in the arenas earlier, and get some interest going, and then you can schedule as needed during league. We're talking about good teams, but the conference patsy, the one that keeps getting blown out, can now throw in a mid-major (or worse) opponent in February and get a win. That makes the players, fans and coaches happy ...
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umbeta1455
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Posted: 09/24/18 11:17 pm ::: |
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myrtle
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Posted: 09/25/18 2:07 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
I think the bigger impact of patsy scheduling may be on seeding on the infrequent occasion when the committee seems to care. And if you're right on the bubble, it can affect whether you're in or out.
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I'm not sure though if it does positively effect your bubbleness...since one more loss might be the difference between in or out. So does the committee look more at win-loss or at quality of losses?
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ClayK
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Posted: 09/25/18 2:29 pm ::: |
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myrtle wrote: |
ArtBest23 wrote: |
I think the bigger impact of patsy scheduling may be on seeding on the infrequent occasion when the committee seems to care. And if you're right on the bubble, it can affect whether you're in or out.
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I'm not sure though if it does positively effect your bubbleness...since one more loss might be the difference between in or out. So does the committee look more at win-loss or at quality of losses? |
Especially at the lower levels, win-loss trumps strength of schedule ... and it's hard to ignore a team that's 25-6, even against weak opposition, and even more so if you're comparing them to a team that's 17-14.
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CBiebel
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Posted: 09/25/18 2:49 pm ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas. |
Unless you have a year where a given conference is down where pretty much none of the teams are good, which sometimes happens.
Also, part of the point of nonconference games is to prepare you for conference play, so if you aren't tested early, you can't find your flaws that you need to fix when you enter conference play.
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ClayK
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Posted: 09/26/18 9:30 am ::: |
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CBiebel wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas. |
Unless you have a year where a given conference is down where pretty much none of the teams are good, which sometimes happens.
Also, part of the point of nonconference games is to prepare you for conference play, so if you aren't tested early, you can't find your flaws that you need to fix when you enter conference play. |
True ... going 12-0 against patsies isn't going to get you ready for conference play. But I still claim that the teams you play in December have almost nothing to do with how good you are in March.
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 09/26/18 2:57 pm ::: |
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I'm surprised to see six SEC teams in anyone's Top 25, and even more surprised to see Tenn and Georgia as the two in the Top 10, well ahead of Miss State, which I still think is the SEC favorite. While they lost a lot, they're bringing back a lot more than anyone else, except maybe SoCar.
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NoDakSt
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Posted: 09/27/18 12:16 pm ::: |
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FrozenLVFan wrote: |
I'm surprised to see six SEC teams in anyone's Top 25, and even more surprised to see Tenn and Georgia as the two in the Top 10, well ahead of Miss State, which I still think is the SEC favorite. While they lost a lot, they're bringing back a lot more than anyone else, except maybe SoCar. |
I think Georgia could take the conference. They finished 4th last year and by far return more key contributors than any of the other front runners. They've got a solid post player in a Robinson, and a solid point guard in Cole. The two sophomore wings may be the question mark; they had great frosh seasons.
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ucbart
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Posted: 09/29/18 10:29 am ::: |
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tough early games can work both ways. It lets you see your own weaknesses so you can work on them, but it also lets the whole country see those weaknesses and work on their strategy to beat you.
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Nixtreefan
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Posted: 09/29/18 10:45 am ::: |
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So true, but hopefully you fix them before you play the tough ones down the road.
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Howee
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PickledGinger
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Posted: 09/29/18 3:17 pm ::: |
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Oregon State is the most intriguing team for me because it has so many variables, especially with the addition of Slocum. I think they will have to play more small-ball than every before with all those talented guards, but it one of the freshman trees makes an impact I could see them as a Top 10 team.
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