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PostPosted: 09/06/18 3:47 pm    ::: Magazine previews Reply Reply with quote

Athlon

1 Notre Dame
2 Connecticut
3 Baylor
4 Oregon
5 Tennessee
6 Louisville
7 Oregon State
8 Stanford
9 Georgia
10 Marquette
11 NC State
12 Iowa
13 Texas
14 Mississippi State
15 Syracuse
16 South Carolina
17 Maryland
18 DePaul
19 Arizona State
20 Minnesota
21 Missouri
22 Miami (FL)
23 California
24 Nebraska
25 Texas A&M

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1st
Brown
Collier
Ogunbowale
Samuelson
Turner

2nd
Cox
Durr
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I was all ready to get mad about Marquette not being on the list and then I saw them at #10 Smile. I find that to be way too high. They do have a talented senior class but this group took a step back as juniors from what they'd done as sophomores. Hopefully they can do great things as seniors. Marquette has never made the Sweet 16 - I feel like if they don't do that this year they may never do it.


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What the hell is Tennessee doing anywhere near Top 5 Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing



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PostPosted: 09/07/18 10:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I have always backed the Pac-12 and believe that the conference is generally underrated, but I can't see three teams in the top 8. Five in the top 25 seems right. I hope that Cal can live up to this ranking.


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PostPosted: 09/08/18 9:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I was all ready to get mad about Marquette not being on the list and then I saw them at #10 Smile. I find that to be way too high. They do have a talented senior class but this group took a step back as juniors from what they'd done as sophomores. Hopefully they can do great things as seniors. Marquette has never made the Sweet 16 - I feel like if they don't do that this year they may never do it.


I root for Marquette for two reasons.

1. You
2. Loyalty to the Real Big East

I hope they have a great season.


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ucbart wrote:
Marquette Fan wrote:
I was all ready to get mad about Marquette not being on the list and then I saw them at #10 Smile. I find that to be way too high. They do have a talented senior class but this group took a step back as juniors from what they'd done as sophomores. Hopefully they can do great things as seniors. Marquette has never made the Sweet 16 - I feel like if they don't do that this year they may never do it.


I root for Marquette for two reasons.

1. You
2. Loyalty to the Real Big East

I hope they have a great season.


Thanks. I'm excited and nervous for the upcoming season. They seem to do better when not as much is as expected of them so the high expectations make me nervous Smile.


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Ionescu 2nd team All American? She my pick for preseason POY.
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PostPosted: 09/09/18 8:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I have always backed the Pac-12 and believe that the conference is generally underrated, but I can't see three teams in the top 8. Five in the top 25 seems right. I hope that Cal can live up to this ranking.


me too. On all statements.



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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
Ionescu 2nd team All American? She my pick for preseason POY.


I thought the same thing. She certainly is the media darling for POY this season. I thought her or whichever of Lou/Pheesa had the best season for UCONN would be POY. Those two are going to have to score A LOT this year.


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WNBA 09 wrote:
What the hell is Tennessee doing anywhere near Top 5 Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


expectations based on recruiting?



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PostPosted: 09/10/18 5:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I agree Calbear, what were they drinking. I'd rather be put in a position to show we deserve not get laughed at.


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PostPosted: 09/11/18 9:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

calbearman76 wrote:
I have always backed the Pac-12 and believe that the conference is generally underrated, but I can't see three teams in the top 8. Five in the top 25 seems right. I hope that Cal can live up to this ranking.

Must be the Recee' Caldwell effect. Leads to exaggerated ranking.


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PostPosted: 09/12/18 2:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ucbart wrote:
Marquette Fan wrote:
I was all ready to get mad about Marquette not being on the list and then I saw them at #10 Smile. I find that to be way too high. They do have a talented senior class but this group took a step back as juniors from what they'd done as sophomores. Hopefully they can do great things as seniors. Marquette has never made the Sweet 16 - I feel like if they don't do that this year they may never do it.


I root for Marquette for two reasons.

1. You
2. Loyalty to the Real Big East

I hope they have a great season.


I'm rather partial towards Marquette because of ND's long history with them. They and DePaul have played ND for a long time in Basketball and there's a strong bond there (obviously longer for the Men's program... Wink ).

Plus it helps to have a few strong teams close to ND geographically. Always nice for the team to only need a bus ride for a good non-conference opponent.


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PostPosted: 09/13/18 2:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Street & Smith

1 Notre Dame
2 Oregon
3 Connecticut
4 Baylor
5 Louisville
6 Mississippi State
7 South Carolina
8 Iowa
9 Maryland
10 Oregon State
11 Stanford
12 Texas A&M
13 Georgia
14 Texas
15 Missouri
16 DePaul
17 NC State
18 Central Michigan
19 Duke
20 California

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Durr
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PostPosted: 09/16/18 12:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Interesting differences between Athlon and Street & Smith's. Athlon has both Tennessee (#5) and Marquette (#10) but neither makes S&S top 20. Mississippi St and South Carolina are both top 10 in S&S.


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PostPosted: 09/17/18 3:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah that is a big discrepancy.

Will be interesting how the committee will view Oregons weak schedule as they should be penalized like Maryland etc.


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PostPosted: 09/18/18 5:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Yeah that is a big discrepancy.

Will be interesting how the committee will view Oregons weak schedule as they should be penalized like Maryland etc.


The Oregon schedule includes 2 top 15 teams (per Athlon) in Mississippi St and Syracuse as well as a road swing at Michigan St and South Dakota St. I don't see any reason to penalize them unless they lose some of those games.


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PostPosted: 09/18/18 5:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Woohoo, are you kidding me, this is supposed to be a top 4 team and look at the rest of their games, my sides are hurting laughing at some of these games for a top 4 team.

Which BTW is a real shame as they didn't learn the Mike Neighbors rule for playing a group of teams around the mid point Laughing


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PostPosted: 09/19/18 9:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nixtreefan wrote:
Woohoo, are you kidding me, this is supposed to be a top 4 team and look at the rest of their games, my sides are hurting laughing at some of these games for a top 4 team.

Which BTW is a real shame as they didn't learn the Mike Neighbors rule for playing a group of teams around the mid point Laughing


Then again, my understanding is Oregon has only seven healthy players on its roster. If true, then saving those seven for what looks to be a very competitive Pac-12 season, and the postseason, makes some sense. After all, no one looks back after the tournament and talks about the preseason schedule. All that matters is how you finish ...



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PostPosted: 09/19/18 11:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

On the South Dakota State fan board, there is a person that is taking credit for lining up the SDSU / Oregon game. This is based on a tweet from the Oregon coach back in April looking for additional games...


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PostPosted: 09/20/18 2:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The REAl cupcakes for Oregon are airforce (like playing a DIII team), Utah State and a bunch of the California schools. There are a few teams that at least do well in their leagues, like St. Mary's and Buffalo. Syracuse could bring a surprise or two as well. But overall, yeah it's on the exceptionally weak side.

For that matter Stanford's schedule is only marginally better. Usually they get a good team at the Rainbow thing in Hawaii but not this year, so all they have is OhSU, Baylor, and Tennessee. Of course those three are quite a step up from Oregon's MissSt, MichSt, and Syracuse. And the bottom end of Stanford's schedule is also a step up.

The bottom line is that you need to beat all those 'weaker' teams. i.e. Stanford losing to Western Illinois last year. And if you really want to be a top team, you beat the good one's too. Stanford will almost certainly lose to Baylor and could easily lose to Tennessee. Oregon can't afford any loses with that schedule...including MissSt.



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PostPosted: 09/20/18 3:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And actually there's no need to single out Oregon's schedule.
Take a look at Miss St. for example. Other than Texas and Oregon, they play just as bad a schedule as Oregon.



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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
Ionescu 2nd team All American? She my pick for preseason POY.


I thought the same thing. She certainly is the media darling for POY this season. I thought her or whichever of Lou/Pheesa had the best season for UCONN would be POY. Those two are going to have to score A LOT this year.


What about Ogunbowale? I'd pick her much sooner than any UConn player atm. After her (probably never happen again kinda) FF performance, she certainly oughtta be a media darling. And--caliber of player that she is--I'd certainly bet on a repeat kind of season for her. Cool



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For her Rolling Eyes if ND don't repeat they will be the most underachieving team ever with all those AAs Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: 09/23/18 1:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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. After all, no one looks back after the tournament and talks about the preseason schedule. All that matters is how you finish ...


The flip side of that is that if you don't play many tough teams during the season, you might not do as well in the Tournament because you aren't used to the competition.


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Hoopsmom wrote:
On the South Dakota State fan board, there is a person that is taking credit for lining up the SDSU / Oregon game. This is based on a tweet from the Oregon coach back in April looking for additional games...


SDSU is one of those "we'll play anyone" programs. They're even able to get some of the top teams to visit them as well.


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PostPosted: 09/23/18 2:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CBiebel wrote:
Hoopsmom wrote:
On the South Dakota State fan board, there is a person that is taking credit for lining up the SDSU / Oregon game. This is based on a tweet from the Oregon coach back in April looking for additional games...


SDSU is one of those "we'll play anyone" programs. They're even able to get some of the top teams to visit them as well.


Aaron Johnston has been able to do that since the Wabbits first transitioned to Division One 15 years ago.



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I have always backed the Pac-12 and believe that the conference is generally underrated, but I can't see three teams in the top 8. Five in the top 25 seems right. I hope that Cal can live up to this ranking.


Speaking of which....is AZ State really all that? I know nothing about them this year.



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CBiebel wrote:
ClayK wrote:
. After all, no one looks back after the tournament and talks about the preseason schedule. All that matters is how you finish ...


The flip side of that is that if you don't play many tough teams during the season, you might not do as well in the Tournament because you aren't used to the competition.


I remain unconvinced that a game in December does much for you in March ... maybe it shows a team that its league competition is much weaker than what's coming up in the tournament, but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas.



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ClayK wrote:
CBiebel wrote:
ClayK wrote:
. After all, no one looks back after the tournament and talks about the preseason schedule. All that matters is how you finish ...


The flip side of that is that if you don't play many tough teams during the season, you might not do as well in the Tournament because you aren't used to the competition.


I remain unconvinced that a game in December does much for you in March ... maybe it shows a team that its league competition is much weaker than what's coming up in the tournament, but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas.


I agree with that. By the same token, I'm not sure game outcomes in November actually prove much regarding the two teams' relative strength come March. They're just not the same teams after three months and 20 more games.

I think the bigger impact of patsy scheduling may be on seeding on the infrequent occasion when the committee seems to care. And if you're right on the bubble, it can affect whether you're in or out.

But while Brenda Frese may feel differently, I think the committee too rarely pays much attention to weak schedules. It seems you really have to stick out like a sore thumb to actually get penalized for playing a joke OOC schedule.


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ucbart wrote:
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote:
Ionescu 2nd team All American? She my pick for preseason POY.


I thought the same thing. She certainly is the media darling for POY this season. I thought her or whichever of Lou/Pheesa had the best season for UCONN would be POY. Those two are going to have to score A LOT this year.


What about Ogunbowale? I'd pick her much sooner than any UConn player atm. After her (probably never happen again kinda) FF performance, she certainly oughtta be a media darling. And--caliber of player that she is--I'd certainly bet on a repeat kind of season for her. Cool


ND just has SOOOOOO many weapons. They all cancel each other out, IMO. They literally will start 5 players who could be an All-American.


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ClayK wrote:
CBiebel wrote:
ClayK wrote:
. After all, no one looks back after the tournament and talks about the preseason schedule. All that matters is how you finish ...


The flip side of that is that if you don't play many tough teams during the season, you might not do as well in the Tournament because you aren't used to the competition.


I remain unconvinced that a game in December does much for you in March ... maybe it shows a team that its league competition is much weaker than what's coming up in the tournament, but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas.


Agreed. This is why I'd love to see non-conference games sprinkled throughout the season, instead of being the leadup to the conference season. But..."we've always done it this way", so nothing will ever change.



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ClayK wrote:
CBiebel wrote:
ClayK wrote:
. After all, no one looks back after the tournament and talks about the preseason schedule. All that matters is how you finish ...


The flip side of that is that if you don't play many tough teams during the season, you might not do as well in the Tournament because you aren't used to the competition.


I remain unconvinced that a game in December does much for you in March ... maybe it shows a team that its league competition is much weaker than what's coming up in the tournament, but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas.


Agreed. This is why I'd love to see non-conference games sprinkled throughout the season, instead of being the leadup to the conference season. But..."we've always done it this way", so nothing will ever change.


That's a really good idea. Have two conference games in November, say, and two more in December. Now you get the fans in the arenas earlier, and get some interest going, and then you can schedule as needed during league. We're talking about good teams, but the conference patsy, the one that keeps getting blown out, can now throw in a mid-major (or worse) opponent in February and get a win. That makes the players, fans and coaches happy ...



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I think the bigger impact of patsy scheduling may be on seeding on the infrequent occasion when the committee seems to care. And if you're right on the bubble, it can affect whether you're in or out.


I'm not sure though if it does positively effect your bubbleness...since one more loss might be the difference between in or out. So does the committee look more at win-loss or at quality of losses?



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myrtle wrote:
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I think the bigger impact of patsy scheduling may be on seeding on the infrequent occasion when the committee seems to care. And if you're right on the bubble, it can affect whether you're in or out.


I'm not sure though if it does positively effect your bubbleness...since one more loss might be the difference between in or out. So does the committee look more at win-loss or at quality of losses?


Especially at the lower levels, win-loss trumps strength of schedule ... and it's hard to ignore a team that's 25-6, even against weak opposition, and even more so if you're comparing them to a team that's 17-14.



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but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas.


Unless you have a year where a given conference is down where pretty much none of the teams are good, which sometimes happens.

Also, part of the point of nonconference games is to prepare you for conference play, so if you aren't tested early, you can't find your flaws that you need to fix when you enter conference play.


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ClayK wrote:
but I don't think any P5 team can coast through conference play without breaking a sweat, and thus needs to recall some game before Christmas.


Unless you have a year where a given conference is down where pretty much none of the teams are good, which sometimes happens.

Also, part of the point of nonconference games is to prepare you for conference play, so if you aren't tested early, you can't find your flaws that you need to fix when you enter conference play.


True ... going 12-0 against patsies isn't going to get you ready for conference play. But I still claim that the teams you play in December have almost nothing to do with how good you are in March.



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Yeah playing some tough games early doesn't show what your weaknesses are and what you need to work on Rolling Eyes


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I'm surprised to see six SEC teams in anyone's Top 25, and even more surprised to see Tenn and Georgia as the two in the Top 10, well ahead of Miss State, which I still think is the SEC favorite. While they lost a lot, they're bringing back a lot more than anyone else, except maybe SoCar.


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Yeah playing some tough games early doesn't show what your weaknesses are and what you need to work on Rolling Eyes


All of that will be exposed in conference play for the P5 teams ... which is who we're talking about.



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I'm surprised to see six SEC teams in anyone's Top 25, and even more surprised to see Tenn and Georgia as the two in the Top 10, well ahead of Miss State, which I still think is the SEC favorite. While they lost a lot, they're bringing back a lot more than anyone else, except maybe SoCar.


I think Georgia could take the conference. They finished 4th last year and by far return more key contributors than any of the other front runners. They've got a solid post player in a Robinson, and a solid point guard in Cole. The two sophomore wings may be the question mark; they had great frosh seasons.



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Yeah playing some tough games early doesn't show what your weaknesses are and what you need to work on Rolling Eyes


All of that will be exposed in conference play for the P5 teams ... which is who we're talking about.


We lost a big crop of seniors to graduation in 2018.....except for the team that won the NC, which should be scary for the rest of the country. I think there are going to be a whole lot of P5 teams that lose games they shouldn't, except for ND, Oregon and Baylor...as they are light years ahead of the rest of the teams in their conference. Sorry Texas fans, Aston will never beat Baylor. I mean, how does your team have Ariel Atkins and she doesn't sniff an AA team?


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Sorry Texas fans, Aston will never beat Baylor.

Ummm....she already HAS. Recently As in, last year. Laughing And it will happen again.



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Nixtreefan wrote:
Yeah playing some tough games early doesn't show what your weaknesses are and what you need to work on Rolling Eyes


All of that will be exposed in conference play for the P5 teams ... which is who we're talking about.


We lost a big crop of seniors to graduation in 2018.....except for the team that won the NC, which should be scary for the rest of the country. I think there are going to be a whole lot of P5 teams that lose games they shouldn't, except for ND, Oregon and Baylor...as they are light years ahead of the rest of the teams in their conference. Sorry Texas fans, Aston will never beat Baylor. I mean, how does your team have Ariel Atkins and she doesn't sniff an AA team?


Stanford has generally always scheduled some tough out of conferences game as Tara likes to see where her team is and what she needs to work on So Not sure why you think coaches shouldn't do this as it seems to be working out for them.


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PostPosted: 09/29/18 9:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
ucbart wrote:
Sorry Texas fans, Aston will never beat Baylor.

Ummm....she already HAS. Recently As in, last year. Laughing And it will happen again.


Not last year, but in 2017. Texas was pre-season ranked #2 last year. Texas really underachieved. They will probably beat them at some point, but not when it really counts.


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tough early games can work both ways. It lets you see your own weaknesses so you can work on them, but it also lets the whole country see those weaknesses and work on their strategy to beat you.


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So true, but hopefully you fix them before you play the tough ones down the road.


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ucbart wrote:
Howee wrote:
ucbart wrote:
Sorry Texas fans, Aston will never beat Baylor.

Ummm....she already HAS. Recently As in, last year. Laughing And it will happen again.


Not last year, but in 2017. Texas was pre-season ranked #2 last year. Texas really underachieved. They will probably beat them at some point, but not when it really counts.


Yes, darlin'....LAST YEAR. It's currently 2018. Last year was 2017. (Mind you, I didn't say Last Season! Laughing ) That's why we wanna be careful when we use the word "Never". Cool

And, did they really "underachieve" or did the early pollsters just not know what they're doing? [See: above--Tennessee #5] Rolling Eyes



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Oregon State is the most intriguing team for me because it has so many variables, especially with the addition of Slocum. I think they will have to play more small-ball than every before with all those talented guards, but it one of the freshman trees makes an impact I could see them as a Top 10 team.


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