View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
pilight
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 67491 Location: Where the action is
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 4:11 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
ArtBest23 wrote: |
That's like complaining that you don't make as much money selling Fiats as your neighbor makes selling Porsches. |
A complaint like that would not be surprising either.
Everybody wants to make more money. Not sure why it's such a big deal when a WNBA player says so.
_________________ The truth is like poetry
Most people hate poetry
|
|
justintyme
Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 8407 Location: Northfield, MN
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 4:49 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
pilight wrote: |
Everybody wants to make more money. Not sure why it's such a big deal when a WNBA player says so. |
I think it is the whole "demand" bit that people take umbrage to. It's normal to want more money, but when it becomes framed like an "equality" issue on par with companies paying women less than men for the same job it becomes off-putting. This is like a female CEO of a small corporation who is making a million a year complaining about inequality because men like Jeff Bezos or Tim Cook make a hundred times that.
_________________ ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA
|
|
pilight
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 67491 Location: Where the action is
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 4:56 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
justintyme wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Everybody wants to make more money. Not sure why it's such a big deal when a WNBA player says so. |
I think it is the whole "demand" bit that people take umbrage to. It's normal to want more money, but when it becomes framed like an "equality" issue on par with companies paying women less than men for the same job it becomes off-putting. This is like a female CEO of a small corporation who is making a million a year complaining about inequality because men like Jeff Bezos or Tim Cook make a hundred times that. |
Did you watch the video? Nothing there could be reasonably construed as a "demand" by anyone other than a tabloid headline writer looking for clicks.
_________________ The truth is like poetry
Most people hate poetry
|
|
Michelle89
Joined: 17 Nov 2010 Posts: 16467 Location: Holland
Back to top |
|
jap
Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 7993
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 6:38 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
As long as the USA sports audience has a net bias against female athletes, there will always be a dramatic difference in pay scale.
The only major sport where female pay is comparative with the male income is tennis . . . and it took the super athletic achievements and resultant popularity of the Williams Sisters to headline the push in that direction. The Williams Sisters by themselves have been the biggest audience draw in all tennis for years---male or female.
_________________ Regards,
J A P
|
|
justintyme
Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 8407 Location: Northfield, MN
Back to top |
|
justintyme
Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 8407 Location: Northfield, MN
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 7:14 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
pilight wrote: |
Did you watch the video? Nothing there could be reasonably construed as a "demand" by anyone other than a tabloid headline writer looking for clicks. |
"Pay us like you pay the men. I don't want to get paid more overseas. I want to get paid in my country."
_________________ ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA
|
|
Randy
Joined: 08 Oct 2011 Posts: 10911
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 7:44 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
She said "My advice - pay us like you pay the men...." Not a demand, and she was asked for her advice. Also, without putting to fine of a point on it, perhaps she was complaining about the inequity of being paid essentially the same a 40% of the players in the league, as opposed to men's game where at least the big stars get paid a lot more than the other players. If so, then that's a legitimate gripe.
|
|
pilight
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 67491 Location: Where the action is
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 8:02 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
justintyme wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Did you watch the video? Nothing there could be reasonably construed as a "demand" by anyone other than a tabloid headline writer looking for clicks. |
"Pay us like you pay the men. I don't want to get paid more overseas. I want to get paid in my country." |
She said that was "advice". It's a stretch to call it a demand.
_________________ The truth is like poetry
Most people hate poetry
|
|
justintyme
Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 8407 Location: Northfield, MN
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 8:18 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
Randy wrote: |
Also, without putting to fine of a point on it, perhaps she was complaining about the inequity of being paid essentially the same a 40% of the players in the league, as opposed to men's game where at least the big stars get paid a lot more than the other players. If so, then that's a legitimate gripe. |
That is a legitimate gripe that she would need to work with her union reps to change. I doubt the owners care much about how the pot is split. So it is her own peers that create that issue.
But we also know that is not what she meant.
If it was just her "advice", then I would ask her for a more realistic alternative. The moment what NBA players make enters the conversation it becomes a non-starter. It really has no place in the conversation of WNBA pay. If players feel they are being underpaid they need to discuss it in terms of their own industry and the money it generates. It is hard to claim you are underpaid when the owners are losing money or at best breaking even.
_________________ ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA
|
|
PUmatty
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 16516 Location: Chicago
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 8:24 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
justintyme wrote: |
It is hard to claim you are underpaid when the owners are losing money or at best breaking even. |
My point is just that it can true that she isn't underpaid and also true that it must be really frustrating to know that you are loosing $200 million because you are a woman.
That would make me bitter as hell, even if I completely understood the economics behind it.
|
|
Luuuc #NATC
Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 22163
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 8:24 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
What the NBA players make is real-world proof of the potential earning power of athletes, and basketballers in particular, so I wouldn't say it has no place whatsoever in a conversation about WNBA salary aspirations.
Comparisons need to be thoughtful and contextual, of course.
_________________ Thanks for calling. I wait all night for calls like these.
|
|
justintyme
Joined: 08 Jul 2012 Posts: 8407 Location: Northfield, MN
Back to top |
Posted: 02/17/18 8:30 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
Luuuc wrote: |
What the NBA players make is real-world proof of the potential earning power of athletes, and basketballers in particular, so I wouldn't say it has no place whatsoever in a conversation about WNBA salary aspirations.
Comparisons need to be thoughtful and contextual, of course. |
Which is why I wrote, "other than [as] an end-game goal for which the league should strive."
_________________ ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA
|
|
calbearman76
Joined: 02 Nov 2009 Posts: 5194 Location: Carson City
Back to top |
|
Michelle89
Joined: 17 Nov 2010 Posts: 16467 Location: Holland
Back to top |
|
akronborn
Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 1472 Location: Right Hynaw -- Cartman
Back to top |
|
Michelle89
Joined: 17 Nov 2010 Posts: 16467 Location: Holland
Back to top |
|
akronborn
Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 1472 Location: Right Hynaw -- Cartman
Back to top |
Posted: 02/23/18 4:27 am ::: |
Reply |
|
I'm not sure of your point. The WNBA has always had scrubs on some teams a the end of the bench, even if they almost never contribute anything to justify their worth. They still got paid. If the WNBA made a greater profit, the CBA would call for them getting the minimum salary like everyone else. There are still Kelley Gibsons (no disrespect to her) running around and keeping a job, and they'd make $500k+ if the WNBA made a similar profit and agreed to the same minimum salary as the NBA.Despite the small number of teams and fewer players per team, there are still players who make one scratch one's head at them continuing to secure a spot.
|
|
ClayK
Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 11403
Back to top |
Posted: 02/23/18 10:30 am ::: |
Reply |
|
So a player at the level of McCoughtry who stays healthy and motivated can probably make around $5 million playing basketball before the age of 35.
Sure, there are hassles in Europe, and you have to play year-round, but it is a job, after all, and most people do not have great jobs in their 20s and early 30s.
And very, very few people make that kind of money at any age ...
_________________ Oṃ Tāre Tuttāre Ture Svāhā
|
|
RavenDog
Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 6893 Location: Home
Back to top |
Posted: 02/23/18 11:39 am ::: |
Reply |
|
Maybe the NBA should reduce the men's salaries to be equal with the women's.
I'd be in favor of this. Reduce ticket prices, vendor prices, parking fees etc. so everyone can afford to attend a game.
I'd also like to see how the men would do playing with the hoop raised 1 foot where they'd have to exhibit a full plate of more and better basketball skills, run, pass, screen, and play defense like the women.
Then, the games would be equal and so would the pay...
|
|
PUmatty
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 16516 Location: Chicago
Back to top |
Posted: 02/23/18 12:24 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
ClayK wrote: |
So a player at the level of McCoughtry who stays healthy and motivated can probably make around $5 million playing basketball before the age of 35.
Sure, there are hassles in Europe, and you have to play year-round, but it is a job, after all, and most people do not have great jobs in their 20s and early 30s.
And very, very few people make that kind of money at any age ... |
And yet, if she had been born a man, she would make many, many times more than that. Who can blame someone for being frustrated by that ...
|
|
myrtle
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 32341
Back to top |
|
myrtle
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 32341
Back to top |
Posted: 02/23/18 1:14 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
PUmatty wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
So a player at the level of McCoughtry who stays healthy and motivated can probably make around $5 million playing basketball before the age of 35.
Sure, there are hassles in Europe, and you have to play year-round, but it is a job, after all, and most people do not have great jobs in their 20s and early 30s.
And very, very few people make that kind of money at any age ... |
And yet, if she had been born a man, she would make many, many times more than that. Who can blame someone for being frustrated by that ... |
That's making the very large leap that she would be the same level of athlete as a man as she is as a woman.
_________________ For there is always light,
if only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it.
- Amanda Gorman
|
|
PUmatty
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 16516 Location: Chicago
Back to top |
Posted: 02/23/18 2:21 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
myrtle wrote: |
PUmatty wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
So a player at the level of McCoughtry who stays healthy and motivated can probably make around $5 million playing basketball before the age of 35.
Sure, there are hassles in Europe, and you have to play year-round, but it is a job, after all, and most people do not have great jobs in their 20s and early 30s.
And very, very few people make that kind of money at any age ... |
And yet, if she had been born a man, she would make many, many times more than that. Who can blame someone for being frustrated by that ... |
That's making the very large leap that she would be the same level of athlete as a man as she is as a woman. |
There is no reason to think she wouldn't be. There is especially no reason for her (or another world class female player) to think she wouldn't be.
|
|
|
|