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myrtle
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Posted: 09/22/17 8:52 pm ::: |
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shades, sometimes you are like a bulldog. Just grab on and shake and shake.
Hindsight really is better than foresight. I guess I can crow that I voted JJ as the second best player behind Stewie in that class but really how many people actually thought that? And although I thought it was not a great move to take Tuck at #3, when she's been healthy she's performed better than I thought she would. Overall I think Miller/Sienko or whoever pulled the trigger on those moves: Banham, Tuck, JJ, and CWilliams did a pretty good job. Perfect? Maybe not, but pretty damn good and now they have a very nice young group to work with for years to come. I've yet to see perfect from a GM/Coach so were I a Sun fan, I would be happy to see what they did do rather than poke and prod about maybe making one mistake in five. I look forward to seeing what a healthy Sun team can do...and I hope they do come back healthy.
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cthskzfn
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Posted: 09/23/17 10:07 am ::: |
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It's not hard to see that if you pay dearly for a worthy item that you could have had not once, but twice, for free, you fucked up.
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RavenDog
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Richyyy
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Posted: 09/23/17 12:47 pm ::: |
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Maybe they should've utilised those #3/#4 picks better. Maybe they shouldn't have given up two significant assets for the #6 pick, to get someone they could've taken at 3 or 4. But ultimately they did make the moves to acquire Jones - who virtually no one thought would be as good as she's become; and then eventually Williams as well - who was invisible on the end of Phoenix's bench. There were obviously elements of the process that weren't perfect, but they do still deserve credit for the parts that worked.
On a separate note, that Executive of the Year award for Miller is even more hilarious considering Sienko was officially the GM when every important piece was acquired. |
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Shades
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Posted: 09/23/17 1:56 pm ::: |
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If this was in fact the circumstances then you're saying that Miller was underhanded and dishonest and Agler was careless, easily fooled and wasn't able to judge the talent he had in Jonquel Jones. Let's face it: Miller screwed up on judging the abilities of C. Gray, J. Jones, Tuck and Banham and many people thought firmly so at the time Miller made those decisions.
Basically, Miller's/Sienko's decisions were Tori Jankoska and Evelyn Shaqator moments and they sometimes can cost a franchise 10 plus years of excellent service, as you know. |
There's no guarantee that Agler would have picked JJones at #6. The deal for the #6 pick was negotiated during the Sparks 3:00 clock time. Since Agler seemed to be looking for a guard, he could have chosen #7 pick Copper, #8 pick CWilliams, or #9 pick TMitchell.... or whoever else.
It's ironic that you chose Shaqator as an example of a flubbed draft pick, since Miller was high on her so much so as to disparage "the basement" for not being high on her. Who knows, maybe Miller could and would have picked Shaqator, had he not traded his first round pick in 2017 in the JJones deal.
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toad455
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Posted: 09/23/17 2:08 pm ::: |
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With Parker, Ogwumike & Lavender; J. Jones would have gotten as many minutes as Jackson-Jones did this season. We all know Agler don't like rookies.
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Davis4632
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pilight
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Posted: 09/23/17 9:03 pm ::: |
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Mock drafts are usually trying to predict what will happen rather than what should happen. I expected Tuck to go third even though I never thought she was the third best player in the draft.
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Shades
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Shades
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Posted: 11/21/17 4:57 pm ::: |
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Chiney Ogwumike stat line in China
56 pts (23-25, 0-1 3P, 10-11 FT), 12 reb, 0 ast, 3 TO, 1 stl in 36:49
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Nerd2
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Posted: 11/21/17 6:58 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Chiney Ogwumike stat line in China
56 pts (23-25, 0-1 3P, 10-11 FT), 12 reb, 0 ast, 3 TO, 1 stl in 36:49 |
Henan isn't fielding a team this year. The stat line @coachrookie posted was from last year. That's why her achilles injury was so upsetting - she was playing amazing ball. Chiney is currently hanging out in the Mohegan Sun Gingerbread House.
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Wiseone1
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Posted: 11/21/17 7:01 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Chiney Ogwumike stat line in China
56 pts (23-25, 0-1 3P, 10-11 FT), 12 reb, 0 ast, 3 TO, 1 stl in 36:49 |
What team? Don't see her listed on a current roster . Standings show Stewart and Kizer as League Scoring Leaders.
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Nerd2
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Posted: 11/21/17 7:01 pm ::: |
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The tweet about Chiney, btw, was in reference to Jonquel Jones' tweet that after her 28p/24r game, the coach said in the next film session that it was "not a good performance." Chinese coaches believe in tough love.
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Nerd2
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Posted: 11/21/17 7:04 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Chiney Ogwumike stat line in China
56 pts (23-25, 0-1 3P, 10-11 FT), 12 reb, 0 ast, 3 TO, 1 stl in 36:49 |
What team? Don't see her listed on a current roster . Standings show Stewart and Kizer as League Scoring Leaders. |
It was a post from last year. This year, it's "Jonker Jones," "Stuart," "Morgan Tucker," and "Lynn Kiezer" at the top. At least, that's what Google Translate is telling me.
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Shades
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Posted: 12/12/17 9:46 pm ::: |
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Tuck must be feeling good.
45 pts (18-32, 8-14 3P, 1-3 FT), 13 reb, 4 ast, 1 blk in 40 min in the Chinese league.
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willtalk
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Randy
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Posted: 12/13/17 8:13 am ::: |
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NVM
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stever
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 01/09/18 12:22 pm ::: |
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“It’s not uncommon for me around 7 p.m. at night to have two computers open and the television on, watching 2-3 games a night,” Miller said. “That’s almost a seven day a week routine for me.”
Good to see he is scouting.
His biggest challenge, however, is integrating Chiney Ogwumike back into the lineup when Alyssa Thomas sliding over to the four (and being a secondary playmaker) worked so well for a relatively young team last year.
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Randy
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Shades
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Posted: 01/09/18 1:08 pm ::: |
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http://www.norwichbulletin.com/sports/20180108/suns-miller-enjoying-offseason-routine |
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t’s the dead of winter. That doesn’t mean that Connecticut Sun coach and general manager Curt Miller is taking it easy, relaxing on an island somewhere.
“It’s not uncommon for me around 7 p.m. at night to have two computers open and the television on, watching 2-3 games a night,” Miller said. “That’s almost a seven day a week routine for me.” |
Sounds like that hypocrite is more about the basement life than anybody here.
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Miller said the FIBA World Championship will likely again keep Torrens at home in 2018 and Romero, drafted by the Sun last season out of Florida State and a fellow Spaniard, will also likely take a rain check. |
Hmm... I wonder where he got the idea to lure Torrens over with a fellow national team member? Although drafting Romero was a cheaper way to try to do it, it's also less effective since Romero is not prominent on the Spanish national team compared to say Anna Cruz.
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“We have never stopped talking about the opportunity for Alba to play in the WNBA at some point before her career is over (she is 28 years-old). |
Yep, for the whole 2 years he's been there. I wonder if that's a royal "We" or is he bouncing things off of Amber Cox, the Maven of Tanking. Dilly, dilly!
The article talks about Chiney Ogwumike making good progress on her rehab, and how Alyssa Thomas is looking forward to building on last year's performance, but it avoids talking about the obvious question on how he's going to work them both into the starting lineup. I'm guessing he's not sure about that yet but is looking to stumble into whatever works, just like last year.
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ClayK
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Posted: 01/09/18 2:40 pm ::: |
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Couldn't agree more ... maybe the coffee was decaf instead of regular.
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sigur3
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