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Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 12612 Location: Dallas , Texas
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Posted: 11/15/17 9:59 pm ::: |
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My hope really is falling on Cash's comment yesterday that something is currently being worked out and an announcement should be out shortly. |
Yea same here she didnt seem worried at all but gave a big shout out to liberty fans and let everyone know some news will be coming soon.
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ClayK
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Posted: 11/16/17 10:45 am ::: |
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The loss in prestige, TV ratings and potential sponsorships would be huge if the WNBA does not have a team in New York. It's not about on-court success, it's about perception, sponsors and ratings.
The WNBA is popular and has a high profile, in general, in the cities in which it has franchises. It is essentially invisible outside those cities.
New York and L.A. remain the two most important media and corporate centers in the country, in many ways, and those two franchises bring the attention of the league to the powerbrokers who work there. Leaving Houston, for example, or Sacramento, does not have the same impact as leaving either New York or L.A.
Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve.
And sponsors want a presence in L.A. and New York.
Leaving New York is much, much different than leaving any other city (except L.A.). It would be a serious blow to the WNBA, and conceivably, when the ESPN contract runs out, fatal.
(By the way, the SF arena will not be available to the WNBA until 2020. That's a long time for the league to lose money ...)
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tfan
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Posted: 11/16/17 10:59 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve. |
I agree that TV ratings are impacted by how many markets the league is in. But you are always fighting hard against expansion. It seems like you are happier with a 12 team league than a 13,14 or 16 team league.
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(By the way, the SF arena will not be available to the WNBA until 2020. That's a long time for the league to lose money ...) |
Back when the Sparks were up for sale Lacob said:
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"We are not in a rush to do it because we are focused on our primary business with the Warriors and building an arena [in San Francisco]," Lacob said. "But if the opportunity came along, we would definitely do it." |
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Bob Lamm
Joined: 11 Apr 2010 Posts: 5065 Location: New York City
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Posted: 11/16/17 11:10 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
The loss in prestige, TV ratings and potential sponsorships would be huge if the WNBA does not have a team in New York. It's not about on-court success, it's about perception, sponsors and ratings.
The WNBA is popular and has a high profile, in general, in the cities in which it has franchises. It is essentially invisible outside those cities.
New York and L.A. remain the two most important media and corporate centers in the country, in many ways, and those two franchises bring the attention of the league to the powerbrokers who work there. Leaving Houston, for example, or Sacramento, does not have the same impact as leaving either New York or L.A.
Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve.
And sponsors want a presence in L.A. and New York.
Leaving New York is much, much different than leaving any other city (except L.A.). It would be a serious blow to the WNBA, and conceivably, when the ESPN contract runs out, fatal.
(By the way, the SF arena will not be available to the WNBA until 2020. That's a long time for the league to lose money ...) |
Well said. I completely agree.
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Posted: 11/16/17 11:48 am ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve. |
I agree that TV ratings are impacted by how many markets the league is in. But you are always fighting hard against expansion. It seems like you are happier with a 12 team league than a 13,14 or 16 team league.
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There's competing issues, I think. On the one hand, you have the quality of the product, which directly impacts perception, attendance and ratings, and on the other, you have more markets.
My feeling is, to repeat, that there is not enough talent to maintain a quality product -- that is, one that is worth the time to watch on TV and the money to watch in person -- if there is any kind of expansion. Obviously, reasonable people can disagree on this (and we do), but if I am right, expansion would hurt the perception of the league and any chance to improve ratings from non-WNBA cities.
And of course, you need a couple owners willing to lose a couple million dollars, and since James Dolan apparently has no offers for the Liberty, a team with great tradition that draws well in a basketball city, finding those owners might be difficult.
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Ay Mate
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Posted: 11/16/17 12:15 pm ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
My hope really is falling on Cash's comment yesterday that something is currently being worked out and an announcement should be out shortly. |
I still can’t find that comment she made. Where is it? Link? I want to see it for myself.
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Bob Lamm
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Posted: 11/16/17 12:28 pm ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve. |
I agree that TV ratings are impacted by how many markets the league is in. But you are always fighting hard against expansion. It seems like you are happier with a 12 team league than a 13,14 or 16 team league.
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There's competing issues, I think. On the one hand, you have the quality of the product, which directly impacts perception, attendance and ratings, and on the other, you have more markets.
My feeling is, to repeat, that there is not enough talent to maintain a quality product -- that is, one that is worth the time to watch on TV and the money to watch in person -- if there is any kind of expansion. Obviously, reasonable people can disagree on this (and we do), but if I am right, expansion would hurt the perception of the league and any chance to improve ratings from non-WNBA cities.
And of course, you need a couple owners willing to lose a couple million dollars, and since James Dolan apparently has no offers for the Liberty, a team with great tradition that draws well in a basketball city, finding those owners might be difficult. |
We can't be sure that he has had no offers. In my view, all we know is that he's had no offers that he's found acceptable thus far.
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Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 12612 Location: Dallas , Texas
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Posted: 11/16/17 2:26 pm ::: |
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Bob Lamm wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
The loss in prestige, TV ratings and potential sponsorships would be huge if the WNBA does not have a team in New York. It's not about on-court success, it's about perception, sponsors and ratings.
The WNBA is popular and has a high profile, in general, in the cities in which it has franchises. It is essentially invisible outside those cities.
New York and L.A. remain the two most important media and corporate centers in the country, in many ways, and those two franchises bring the attention of the league to the powerbrokers who work there. Leaving Houston, for example, or Sacramento, does not have the same impact as leaving either New York or L.A.
Also, consider TV ratings. Why would fans in NYC, having been abandoned by the Liberty, watch WNBA games on TV? My sense is that the ratings are driven by the cities with franchises (spurned fans are less likely to watch as well), and without NYC, the ratings will likely go down, but definitely won't improve.
And sponsors want a presence in L.A. and New York.
Leaving New York is much, much different than leaving any other city (except L.A.). It would be a serious blow to the WNBA, and conceivably, when the ESPN contract runs out, fatal.
(By the way, the SF arena will not be available to the WNBA until 2020. That's a long time for the league to lose money ...) |
Well said. I completely agree. |
I agree to an extent , most viewers for the WNBA were not even in WNBA cities .
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Posted: 11/16/17 2:28 pm ::: |
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Ay Mate wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
My hope really is falling on Cash's comment yesterday that something is currently being worked out and an announcement should be out shortly. |
I still can’t find that comment she made. Where is it? Link? I want to see it for myself. |
It was on her Instagram live feed , those are only accessbile for 24 hours afterwards i do believe if you have the application .
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Elizabeth
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toad455
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Posted: 11/16/17 6:08 pm ::: |
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Does she have the business sense to do this?
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Posted: 11/16/17 7:14 pm ::: |
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She has the money to buy it. Does she have the money to continue it when investment is required?
Having it undercapitalized is not a great situation.
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StevenHW
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toad455
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Posted: 11/16/17 7:42 pm ::: |
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Maybe Rosie gets together with other interested owners and they together buy the team. Come on, Rosie, make it happen!!
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pilight
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Posted: 11/16/17 8:02 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
She has the money to buy it. Does she have the money to continue it when investment is required?
Having it undercapitalized is not a great situation. |
How much money does it take?
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toad455
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Posted: 11/16/17 8:18 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
ArtBest23 wrote: |
She has the money to buy it. Does she have the money to continue it when investment is required?
Having it undercapitalized is not a great situation. |
How much money does it take? |
I don't think any $$$ has been disclosed in any relocation of teams. There's been four so far: Orlando Miracle to Connecticut, Utah Starzz to San Antonio, Stars to Las Vegas, Detroit Shock to Tulsa.
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Posted: 11/16/17 10:04 pm ::: |
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The Liberty also have a star player who forced a trade so she could play in NYC. If they moved, would she force another trade to be closer to home?
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 11/16/17 11:12 pm ::: |
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Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto. |
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Ay Mate
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Posted: 11/17/17 9:45 am ::: |
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GlennMacGrady wrote: |
Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto. |
A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get.
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Randy
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Posted: 11/17/17 10:13 am ::: |
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Ay Mate wrote: |
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto. |
A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get. |
Ok, then how about Montreal?
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Aladyyn
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Posted: 11/17/17 10:29 am ::: |
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Randy wrote: |
Ay Mate wrote: |
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto. |
A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get. |
Ok, then how about Montreal? |
Are there any francophone WNBA players?
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tfan
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Posted: 11/17/17 11:46 am ::: |
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Ay Mate wrote: |
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
Maybe it's time for a team in Canada. Toronto. |
A team in Toronto would never work. The WNBA has very VERY little exposure in Canada. There is no ESPN in Canada. And NBAtv Canada doesn’t show much WNBA games compared to the US NBAtv. Plus, there would never be any roster stability in Toronto as NO one is going to want to play in Canada aside from maybe the couple Canadian players in the league. The team would never be successful. Any top players they do get, will bail / force trades the first chance they get. |
What would WNBA players not like about Canada?
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