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barryi22
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Posted: 08/08/17 8:18 pm ::: Jonquel Jones or Breanna Stewart? |
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You're building a brand new team and have to pick between these two to be your franchise player. Who do you pick?
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justintyme
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Posted: 08/08/17 8:43 pm ::: |
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I like Jones, and would be ecstatic to have her on my team. But to build a team around? Stewie, and it's not even close.
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sigur3
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Posted: 08/08/17 9:04 pm ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
I like Jones, and would be ecstatic to have her on my team. But to build a team around? Stewie, and it's not even close. |
^ that.
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Ay Mate
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Posted: 08/08/17 9:19 pm ::: |
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They are both 2nd year players.
Stewart's numbers this season
49.4 FG%
38.1 3PT FG%
78.9 FT%
20.6 points per game
8.5 rebounds per game
33.2 minutes per game
Jones's numbers this season
53.8 FG%
46.2 3PT FG%
84.3 FT%
15.7 points per game
11.4 rebounds per game
28.3 minutes per game
Both players are great, but Jones is has had a better season and has not even tapped into her full potential. Stewart is already where she's gonna be for her entire career.
Jones by a LOOOOOONG shot is the team I'd build a franchise around and it's not even close. Stewart would be a nice compliment player to have play along side Jones though.
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myrtle
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Posted: 08/08/17 10:07 pm ::: |
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I picked Jones too. Love Stewie and they're both special players. I think Stewie will get better too but Jones just has a lot more room to grow. She didn't have Geno for four years.
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toad455
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Posted: 08/08/17 10:23 pm ::: |
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Jones just offers more. I don't see Stewart as a post, never have. Jonquel can play inside & out, she can bang around in the paint and hang outside the arch. Stewart seems afraid of contact. Plus I've always felt Stewart was more suited as a SF than a PF.
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Silky Johnson
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Posted: 08/08/17 10:31 pm ::: |
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Stewart is probably more versatile, but Jones' game appears to be more closely aligned with my sensibilities, so I go with her. I'd say that she kind of reminds me of a young Yo Griffith, except that I never actually saw a young Yo Griffith.
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Aladyyn
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Posted: 08/09/17 5:37 am ::: |
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Stewart is going to be the best player in the league within 2 years. Jones is incredible but give me Stewie here.
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Posted: 08/09/17 6:46 am ::: |
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Jones.
I remember the first time i saw her on tv at GW. I actually yelled "wtf is that and how come I've never heard of her??!!"
I think she has more untapped potential and is more of a freak than Stewie. And i love Stewie.
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NYL_WNBA_FAN
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Posted: 08/09/17 7:55 am ::: |
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It really depends what your team needs. Jones is going to be the best rebounder in the league annually if she stays healthy and she's a terrific shooter at her size. However, she also doesn't really have a post move and Stewie also has the ability to show off guard-like skills in the open floor.
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zune69
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Posted: 08/09/17 8:06 am ::: |
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I pick Stewart...20p/9r player with a legit post game.She's also a very good passer and defender.unfortunately,the unfair defensive responsibility placed on Stewart has negatively impacted her late game production.She looks exhausted and fatigued in the 4th quarter of every game.If seattle doesn't remedy the starting center situation they're going to take years off Stewart's career.Stewart will also become a injury prone player due to the added stress on her body.
If Seattle was smart,they'd find a way to acquire Alexander,Coates,Lavender or Stokes....Drafting Russell 2-4 would be too high.Maybe they could trade down and get a rotaion player plus a draft pick......Getting the #1 overall pick would solve the problem.
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WNBA 09
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Posted: 08/09/17 8:12 am ::: |
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Silky Johnson wrote: |
Stewart is probably more versatile, but Jones' game appears to be more closely aligned with my sensibilities, so I go with her. I'd say that she kind of reminds me of a young Yo Griffith, except that I never actually saw a young Yo Griffith. |
Great comparison , i see that also with her frame but not in her game. Her offensive skills are more of a variety than yo's back to the basket plays. Jonquel & Stewie could be our next 2 to watch when the big dogs all start retiring ! I voted jonquel only because shes relentless on the glass & can score from anywhere on the floor. Stewie can also do the same but jones has more of an effect on the game with her intangibles on offense and defense. Stewie will be an offensive force though !
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Silky Johnson
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Posted: 08/09/17 9:25 am ::: |
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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote: |
It really depends what your team needs... |
I presumed that the premise of the OP was that you're building a team from scratch, like an expansion team. So the question of what your team needs is almost irrelevant, because your team needs everything. The question, as I see it, was really more asking, what style of team do you want to have, and what kind of star do you want your team to be built around?
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Silky Johnson
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Posted: 08/09/17 9:32 am ::: |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
Silky Johnson wrote: |
Stewart is probably more versatile, but Jones' game appears to be more closely aligned with my sensibilities, so I go with her. I'd say that she kind of reminds me of a young Yo Griffith, except that I never actually saw a young Yo Griffith. |
Great comparison , i see that also with her frame but not in her game. Her offensive skills are more of a variety than yo's back to the basket plays. Jonquel & Stewie could be our next 2 to watch when the big dogs all start retiring ! I voted jonquel only because shes relentless on the glass & can score from anywhere on the floor. Stewie can also do the same but jones has more of an effect on the game with her intangibles on offense and defense. Stewie will be an offensive force though ! |
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Although, if I were a player, I might throw some side-eye at anyone who compared me favorably to Coco Miller...
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WNBA 09
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Posted: 08/09/17 10:12 am ::: |
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As always, the question is really "When will each of these players stop improving?"
If Jones gets better each year for the next five years and then plateaus, and Stewart gets better each year for the next three years and then plateaus, then Jones is the choice.
And, of course, vice versa.
But no one knows when a player will stop improving, and there's really no way to tell
You pays yer money and you takes yer choice ...
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Force10rulz
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Posted: 08/09/17 10:29 am ::: |
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Stevie, she is just going to keep getting better. If we could just get a good ,and true center we might actually get back into the playoffs. But we need a new coach, Jenny just doesn't cut it.
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Shades
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Posted: 08/09/17 11:17 am ::: |
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Force10rulz wrote: |
Stevie, she is just going to keep getting better. If we could just get a good ,and true center we might actually get back into the playoffs. But we need a new coach, Jenny just doesn't cut it. |
The Sparks don't need a true center. Why can't the Storm emulate the Sparks? What would it take? I might be kicking it into full zune mode here. Maybe if Stewie would play the Candace Parker role as point forward. I do believe she has fallen off in that respect since last year. Then they need someone who is more Ogwumike than Langhorne. They might have to trade for Glory Johnson or Chiney.
They kinda do emulate the Sparks just not quite there
Candace Parker - Breanna Stewart
Nneka Ogwumike - Crystal Langhorne
Alana Beard - Alysha Clark
Odessey Sims - Jewell Loyd
Chelsea Gray - Sue Bird
Yeah, so maybe upgrade Alysha Clark with Gabby Williams, who can act as an additional point forward. Upgrade Langhorne with a bull in a China shop, add a little patience and you're almost there. They could probably use somebody fresher than Sue Bird, kinda like the Lynx could use somebody fresher than Whalen. Agler kinda had Gray fall into his lap. Kinda doubt he knew that he had someone that he could rely on this much. Who's that next Gray out there?
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WNBA 09
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Posted: 08/09/17 12:09 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Force10rulz wrote: |
Stevie, she is just going to keep getting better. If we could just get a good ,and true center we might actually get back into the playoffs. But we need a new coach, Jenny just doesn't cut it. |
The Sparks don't need a true center. Why can't the Storm emulate the Sparks? What would it take? I might be kicking it into full zune mode here. Maybe if Stewie would play the Candace Parker role as point forward. I do believe she has fallen off in that respect since last year. Then they need someone who is more Ogwumike than Langhorne. They might have to trade for Glory Johnson or Chiney.
They kinda do emulate the Sparks just not quite there
Candace Parker - Breanna Stewart
Nneka Ogwumike - Crystal Langhorne
Alana Beard - Alysha Clark
Odessey Sims - Jewell Loyd
Chelsea Gray - Sue Bird
Yeah, so maybe upgrade Alysha Clark with Gabby Williams, who can act as an additional point forward. Upgrade Langhorne with a bull in a China shop, add a little patience and you're almost there. They could probably use somebody fresher than Sue Bird, kinda like the Lynx could use somebody fresher than Whalen. Agler kinda had Gray fall into his lap. Kinda doubt he knew that he had someone that he could rely on this much. Who's that next Gray out there? |
Gabby = A. Clark . Eventually i believe gabby will be the better player but i dont see much of an upgrade with that pick if your wanting to replace Alysha.
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Shades
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Posted: 08/09/17 12:25 pm ::: |
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Gabby = A. Clark . Eventually i believe gabby will be the better player but i dont see much of an upgrade with that pick if your wanting to replace Alysha. |
Gabby has an Olympic level of athleticism and is a great defender and facilitator in college. Let's see you say that about Clark. Plus Gabby goes to the WNBA boot camp known as UConn.
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scrappy
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Posted: 08/09/17 1:16 pm ::: |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
Silky Johnson wrote: |
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Silky Johnson wrote: |
Stewart is probably more versatile, but Jones' game appears to be more closely aligned with my sensibilities, so I go with her. I'd say that she kind of reminds me of a young Yo Griffith, except that I never actually saw a young Yo Griffith. |
Great comparison , i see that also with her frame but not in her game. Her offensive skills are more of a variety than yo's back to the basket plays. Jonquel & Stewie could be our next 2 to watch when the big dogs all start retiring ! I voted jonquel only because shes relentless on the glass & can score from anywhere on the floor. Stewie can also do the same but jones has more of an effect on the game with her intangibles on offense and defense. Stewie will be an offensive force though ! |
One of the best things about the WNBA being in season 21 is that we've reached the point where we can actually compare young WNBA players to WNBA players who came before them, as opposed to saying "X is the Magic Johnson/Michael Jordan/Scottie Pippen/Tim Duncan of the WNBA."
Although, if I were a player, I might throw some side-eye at anyone who compared me favorably to Coco Miller... |
Omg i miss the crying face !! |
no, it's that hair. whew.
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scrappy
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Posted: 08/09/17 1:24 pm ::: |
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both.
but considering the values are fairly equal. then the conventional basketball wisdom is you build your team around the big.
physical plays win the battle as you see last night's game; jones did have an affect in the paint over stewie.
reminds me when lauren jackson won the battle over candace parker in the paint where parker definitely was better ball skill wise. but the physical presence of jackson gives the edge to lauren.
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LibFan25
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Posted: 08/09/17 1:43 pm ::: |
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Ima go with the player that scares me the most...
and that is Ms Jones. a Beast. She rebounds like a piranhas feasting for her lunch lol
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