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pilight
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Posted: 03/23/17 9:18 am ::: |
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Butler was low paid because she was Florida's 5th choice or so when they were hiring last time around. They're not afraid to lay out the cash for someone more highly regarded.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 03/23/17 12:12 pm ::: |
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It would probably be a big pay *raise* for Smith, yet they could still pay her about the same as they paid Butler and still get a helluva good coach. OTOH, I think they'd have to pay Mitchell or Becky Hammon a lot more to get them there. They'd be wise to take Smith. Very.
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thefutureisbright
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PUmatty
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Posted: 03/23/17 2:25 pm ::: |
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In her career she has been inducted into three Hall of Fames: The Washington University Sports in 2012 (the first NCAA Division III representative), the Missouri Sports in 2014, and the St. Louis Sports in 2016. |
That's nice, but a headline calling her a HOF coach seems pretty silly.
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purduefanatic
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Posted: 03/23/17 2:49 pm ::: |
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In her career she has been inducted into three Hall of Fames: The Washington University Sports in 2012 (the first NCAA Division III representative), the Missouri Sports in 2014, and the St. Louis Sports in 2016. |
That's nice, but a headline calling her a HOF coach seems pretty silly. |
It's all about the splash.
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fancy_daniel
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Posted: 03/23/17 6:43 pm ::: |
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Mark Trakh should definitely be considered for a P5 position ... the only reason he was fired at USC was a cascade of injuries, most notably to Jacki Gemelos.
New Mexico State is now a power in the WAC, and that's an amazing feat. |
You're giving him too much credit. Even with all the injuries, he could never translate his Mid Major success to a P5 conference. He had multiple McD's All Americans and still struggled in a much weaker Pac 12. |
Two of those Mickey's girls -- Jacki Gemelos and Stefanie Gilbreath -- did not play a minute in Trakh's last two seasons due to knee injuries. Not too many programs can lose one of the greatest players of her generation (Gemelos) and a WNBA-caliber player and still compete in a BCS conference.
Trakh was 90-64 at USC, and took over a program in disarray after Chris Gobrecht's time in charge.
His first year at New Mexico State, he was 6-24, and now the Las Cruces (not exactly a recruit magnet) school has gone 69-19 in the last three years. |
Okay I'll bite. Trakh also had Eshaya Murphy and Briana Gilbreath who went on to the WNBA, great guards such as Ashley Corral, Camille Lenoir and Hailey Dunham, not to mention they had full rosters most years. And yet, in a much weaker Pac-10, he could not Get into the NCAA tourney even once. At least one of those years during his tenure, only Stanford had more talent. As I mentioned before, he does great at mid majors, but USC should not go backwards by hiring him again. He would do worse now.
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TangoIV
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Posted: 03/23/17 9:56 pm ::: |
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You may want to check your facts on Trakh's tenure at USC. After 8 years of absence, Trakh took his first two teams at USC to the 2005 and 2006 NCAA Tournaments respectively. In 2005, they beat Louisville in 1st round and then lost by 2 to Michigan State in the second round. In 2006, they got blown out by Duke in the second round who went on to lose in an overtime NCAA final to Maryland. Trakh did not return to the NCAA tournament that last three years of his contract with USC which was why it was not renewed.
He had the most recruiting success of any coach at USC since Marianne Stanley had in the early 90's. Trakh would be a great coach to return to USC and it was a mistake that he left.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/24/17 11:20 am ::: |
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If Hammon is "grappling", why would she be going through all these motions? Seems like the grappling should be done before any interviews.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 03/24/17 12:19 pm ::: |
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If Hammon is "grappling", why would she be going through all these motions? Seems like the grappling should be done before any interviews. |
Money, m'dear. Isn't that what it's about in the end?
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Shades
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Posted: 03/24/17 4:02 pm ::: |
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She would also be richly compensated, assuredly. Amanda Butler, who spent 10 years with Florida before being let go in early March, was making nearly $400,000 in reported guaranteed compensation as of 2015, surely a sum at least double (and maybe triple) what Hammon is currently being paid. But that package was good only for 12th in the SEC, where three women’s basketball coaches were making at least $750,000 in 2015, and none of those three was Tennessee’s Holly Warlick. |
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I wouldn’t expect any definitive movement on Hammon one way or the other until at least the completion of Florida’s men’s team’s NCAA Tournament game on Friday night, and probably not until after the weekend. But it’s clear, with none other than Wojnarowski now involved in the reporting of this story, that Hammon’s ultimate decision is more likely to come sooner than later. |
http://www.alligatorarmy.com/2017/3/24/15051832/florida-gators-becky-hammon-offer-head-coach
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Queenie
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Posted: 03/25/17 6:57 am ::: |
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Don't do it, Becky. Not nearly enough long-term gain, too much long-term risk.
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RP
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Posted: 03/25/17 11:57 am ::: |
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Florida is absolutely a job Hammon should take if she wants to be a women's college basketball head coach. Hard to ask for a better starting point than at a flagship university, in a P5 conference, with some history to sell and plenty of talent in its backyard.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 03/25/17 12:18 pm ::: |
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RP wrote: |
Florida is absolutely a job Hammon should take if she wants to be a women's college basketball head coach. Hard to ask for a better starting point than at a flagship university, in a P5 conference, with some history to sell and plenty of talent in its backyard. |
But does she? I think that's the question she's wrestling with.
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thefutureisbright
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Durantula
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Posted: 03/26/17 10:13 am ::: |
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So is next weekend at the Final 4 where a lot of interviews will go down? Maybe after next weekend we will see some more jobs filled.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 03/26/17 10:39 am ::: |
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So is next weekend at the Final 4 where a lot of interviews will go down? Maybe after next weekend we will see some more jobs filled. |
Probably a few more open too.....
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Posted: 03/26/17 10:52 am ::: |
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summertime blues wrote: |
Durantula wrote: |
So is next weekend at the Final 4 where a lot of interviews will go down? Maybe after next weekend we will see some more jobs filled. |
Probably a few more open too..... |
Maybe ones open that are due to a coach leaving for another job, but at this stage will there really be any more firings? The season has been over for most teams that did not have good seasons (i.e. not making postseason) so why wait weeks to fire them? Wouldn't it be over by now?
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summertime blues
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Posted: 03/26/17 11:24 am ::: |
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Durantula wrote: |
summertime blues wrote: |
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So is next weekend at the Final 4 where a lot of interviews will go down? Maybe after next weekend we will see some more jobs filled. |
Probably a few more open too..... |
Maybe ones open that are due to a coach leaving for another job, but at this stage will there really be any more firings? The season has been over for most teams that did not have good seasons (i.e. not making postseason) so why wait weeks to fire them? Wouldn't it be over by now? |
Not necessarily. Stuff happens all the time. Retirements, illnesses, you name it.......not just firings.
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Posted: 03/26/17 10:10 pm ::: |
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Ya, take the Florida job. Love that kid, but....reality doesn't bode well for THAT dream of hers.
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Posted: 03/27/17 3:05 pm ::: |
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Ya, take the Florida job. Love that kid, but....reality doesn't bode well for THAT dream of hers. |
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pilight
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Posted: 03/27/17 3:06 pm ::: |
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Looks like Newbauer will get the Florida job
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Posted: 03/27/17 3:27 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Looks like Newbauer will get the Florida job |
Not seen an announcement as of yet, not even a Twitter rumor. Very tight.
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