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Who should be the next Team USA head coach? |
Karen Aston |
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Geno Auriemma |
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7% |
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Doug Bruno |
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1% |
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Brenda Frese |
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4% |
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Gail Goestenkors |
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7% |
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Quentin Hillsman |
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0% |
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Muffet McGraw |
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12% |
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Kevin McGuff |
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1% |
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Kim Mulkey |
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7% |
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Mike Neighbors |
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1% |
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Scott Rueck |
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1% |
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Dawn Staley |
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22% |
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Tara VanDerveer |
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7% |
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Jeff Walz |
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1% |
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Other |
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22% |
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dtsnms
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Angus24
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Posted: 04/29/16 11:32 am ::: |
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How about Hammon and Hughes?
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Posted: 04/29/16 11:50 am ::: |
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Hammon.
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Posted: 04/29/16 12:10 pm ::: |
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I've read that Parker should be on the team simply because she is the best, or one of the best. Case closed. How do those who feel that way reconcile that opinion with one that says that Geno should step aside and give someone else a chance at coaching.
Shouldn't the best coach belong on the bench of the US national team? And yet only 8% of the respondents feel that way while in the other poll 92% feel that Parker should replace someone they feel isn't as good as her.
Very revealing.
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Shades
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Posted: 04/29/16 12:15 pm ::: |
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Is Hammon a legit possibility? She's another one who has a job in which the schedule probably conflicts a bit.
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Posted: 04/29/16 12:33 pm ::: |
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linkster wrote: |
I've read that Parker should be on the team simply because she is the best, or one of the best. Case closed. How do those who feel that way reconcile that opinion with one that says that Geno should step aside and give someone else a chance at coaching.
Shouldn't the best coach belong on the bench of the US national team? And yet only 8% of the respondents feel that way while in the other poll 92% feel that Parker should replace someone they feel isn't as good as her.
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You are making the (poor) assumption that Geno is "the best coach". He is an excellent coach who runs a very successful program. But is he actually a better coach than some of the other options? Is he objectively better than someone like Reeve, or Hughes, or some other coach that has been successful at the professional level? Winning college championships has just as much to do with recruiting as it does coaching.
Unlike the players who can be objectively measured to some degree...as in Parker is clearly a better player than Stewart right now, measuring coaches is not that easy.
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Posted: 04/29/16 12:36 pm ::: |
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Is Hammon a legit possibility? She's another one who has a job in which the schedule probably conflicts a bit. |
but, but, but...could we have a Russian as head coach?
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Posted: 04/29/16 12:40 pm ::: |
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myrtle wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Is Hammon a legit possibility? She's another one who has a job in which the schedule probably conflicts a bit. |
but, but, but...could we have a Russian as head coach? |
US Men's Soccer has a German as a head coach.
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dtsnms
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Posted: 04/29/16 12:43 pm ::: |
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linkster wrote: |
I've read that Parker should be on the team simply because she is the best, or one of the best. Case closed. How do those who feel that way reconcile that opinion with one that says that Geno should step aside and give someone else a chance at coaching.
Shouldn't the best coach belong on the bench of the US national team? And yet only 8% of the respondents feel that way while in the other poll 92% feel that Parker should replace someone they feel isn't as good as her.
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Apples and oranges.
There are a limited amount of supremely talented players that qualify for the Olympic team and they have a limited window of opportunity due to age, injuries, etc.
There is no such limitation on a coach's ability to do their job, and it is one person, not 12.
I have no problem saying that Parker should be on the team and Geno should not continue to coach, even though I feel Geno is the best coach.
The biggest difference is supremely talented players can more than make up for the difference between a great and very good coach. I have no doubts that Reeve, McGraw, or Staley would win gold with this group if Geno was not coach.
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Posted: 04/29/16 12:44 pm ::: |
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linkster wrote: |
I've read that Parker should be on the team simply because she is the best, or one of the best. Case closed. How do those who feel that way reconcile that opinion with one that says that Geno should step aside and give someone else a chance at coaching.
Shouldn't the best coach belong on the bench of the US national team? And yet only 8% of the respondents feel that way while in the other poll 92% feel that Parker should replace someone they feel isn't as good as her.
Very revealing. |
Well, the issue with this statement IMO is that college coaching is more than just coaching along the sidelines. While Geno is a very good X and O's coach I'd argue that his success at the college level is better attributed to the ability to recruit the best players. I think that it's highly plausible that there are coaches who are better at coaching on the sidelines than Geno in terms of their game plans. (See, Tara (Amber, baby!), Walz (bt. Baylor!), Muffet.) While those are just a few examples that come to mind, I'm sure that if you gave Trudi Lacey the Olympic Team, they'd walk away with gold. I think that the point being is that there are a lot of coaches who are able to come up with excellent game plans, and given the talent at their disposal, they would be able to succeed as well. I think that there is certainly an advantage to having Geno being the coach in terms of the increased media exposure that he brings as the "legend" of UConn is attached to the Olympic Team chasing Gold--however, it does seem to me that it creates an imbalance in the college game due to the incredible recruiting advantage it gives him.
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dtsnms
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Posted: 04/29/16 12:46 pm ::: |
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Is Hammon a legit possibility? She's another one who has a job in which the schedule probably conflicts a bit. |
Let her coach women before we put her in charge of the women's national team.
She's an NBA coach, not a WNBA coach.
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Posted: 04/29/16 12:52 pm ::: |
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FollowtheCardinalRule wrote: |
linkster wrote: |
I've read that Parker should be on the team simply because she is the best, or one of the best. Case closed. How do those who feel that way reconcile that opinion with one that says that Geno should step aside and give someone else a chance at coaching.
Shouldn't the best coach belong on the bench of the US national team? And yet only 8% of the respondents feel that way while in the other poll 92% feel that Parker should replace someone they feel isn't as good as her.
Very revealing. |
Well, the issue with this statement IMO is that college coaching is more than just coaching along the sidelines. While Geno is a very good X and O's coach I'd argue that his success at the college level is better attributed to the ability to recruit the best players. I think that it's highly plausible that there are coaches who are better at coaching on the sidelines than Geno in terms of their game plans. (See, Tara (Amber, baby!), Walz (bt. Baylor!), Muffet.) While those are just a few examples that come to mind, I'm sure that if you gave Trudi Lacey the Olympic Team, they'd walk away with gold. I think that the point being is that there are a lot of coaches who are able to come up with excellent game plans, and given the talent at their disposal, they would be able to succeed as well. I think that there is certainly an advantage to having Geno being the coach in terms of the increased media exposure that he brings as the "legend" of UConn is attached to the Olympic Team chasing Gold--however, it does seem to me that it creates an imbalance in the college game due to the incredible recruiting advantage it gives him. |
Perhaps I shouldn't say Trudi Lacey, considering that France beat a Geno-coached USA. I forgot about that.
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myrtle wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Is Hammon a legit possibility? She's another one who has a job in which the schedule probably conflicts a bit. |
but, but, but...could we have a Russian as head coach? |
The current head coach wasn't born in this country
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linkster wrote: |
I've read that Parker should be on the team simply because she is the best, or one of the best. Case closed. How do those who feel that way reconcile that opinion with one that says that Geno should step aside and give someone else a chance at coaching.
Shouldn't the best coach belong on the bench of the US national team? And yet only 8% of the respondents feel that way while in the other poll 92% feel that Parker should replace someone they feel isn't as good as her.
Very revealing. |
The advantages college coaches get in recruiting and the pro coaches get in free agency are sufficient reason to limit them to one "term". When Geno was appointed head coach of Team USA in 2009 he had only five national championships and was five years removed from the most recent one. Since his appointment he's won six national championships in eight years. He's gotten an enormous advantage from being head coach of Team USA.
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Posted: 04/29/16 1:02 pm ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
linkster wrote: |
I've read that Parker should be on the team simply because she is the best, or one of the best. Case closed. How do those who feel that way reconcile that opinion with one that says that Geno should step aside and give someone else a chance at coaching.
Shouldn't the best coach belong on the bench of the US national team? And yet only 8% of the respondents feel that way while in the other poll 92% feel that Parker should replace someone they feel isn't as good as her.
Very revealing. |
You are making the (poor) assumption that Geno is "the best coach". He is an excellent coach who runs a very successful program. But is he actually a better coach than some of the other options? Is he objectively better than someone like Reeve, or Hughes, or some other coach that has been successful at the professional level? Winning college championships has just as much to do with recruiting as it does coaching.
Unlike the players who can be objectively measured to some degree...as in Parker is clearly a better player than Stewart right now, measuring coaches is not that easy. |
If winning at a professional level is so important why have so few done it? And how many pro coaches are on the poll list compared to college coaches?
Which of the college coaches is better than Geno? Maybe McGraw. Maybe Tara?
But neither has shown any recent interest in USA basketball.
And you can say that Geno has won because he recruits the best players. But isn't that evidence that he has the most experience of any college level coach in dealing with elite level players? And what really interests me is how Geno's success lies in recruiting the "best player", and after signing them and coaching them to multi-championships and sending them to the pros where they win championships and are put on the US team I read posts claiming that there are better alternatives and that they are on the team only because of favoritism?
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Posted: 04/29/16 1:04 pm ::: |
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dtsnms wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Is Hammon a legit possibility? She's another one who has a job in which the schedule probably conflicts a bit. |
Let her coach women before we put her in charge of the women's national team.
She's an NBA coach, not a WNBA coach. |
Reverse sexism? I thought one of the good outcomes of Hammon coaching men is it teaches society to be more tolerant and not discriminate on the basis of gender.
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Posted: 04/29/16 1:06 pm ::: |
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dtsnms wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Is Hammon a legit possibility? She's another one who has a job in which the schedule probably conflicts a bit. |
Let her coach women before we put her in charge of the women's national team.
She's an NBA coach, not a WNBA coach. |
I wouldn't hugely care about not having coached women. Or about the Russian thing. But never having been a head coach at any level would exclude her for me, and I would think for USA Basketball as well.
If you're putting someone in charge of your national team, it seems a good idea for that person to have been in charge of some team somewhere beforehand. |
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Posted: 04/29/16 1:22 pm ::: |
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Yup. Let's wait for Hammon to have a HEAD coaching job before recommending her to be the head coach for USA women's bball.
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Posted: 04/29/16 1:28 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
I wouldn't hugely care about not having coached women. Or about the Russian thing. But never having been a head coach at any level would exclude her for me, and I would think for USA Basketball as well. |
I have a feeling the Russian thing would bother USA Basketball more than it does you or me or most people on this board.
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dtsnms wrote: |
linkster wrote: |
I've read that Parker should be on the team simply because she is the best, or one of the best. Case closed. How do those who feel that way reconcile that opinion with one that says that Geno should step aside and give someone else a chance at coaching.
Shouldn't the best coach belong on the bench of the US national team? And yet only 8% of the respondents feel that way while in the other poll 92% feel that Parker should replace someone they feel isn't as good as her.
Very revealing. |
Apples and oranges.
There are a limited amount of supremely talented players that qualify for the Olympic team and they have a limited window of opportunity due to age, injuries, etc.
There is no such limitation on a coach's ability to do their job, and it is one person, not 12.
I have no problem saying that Parker should be on the team and Geno should not continue to coach, even though I feel Geno is the best coach.
The biggest difference is supremely talented players can more than make up for the difference between a great and very good coach. I have no doubts that Reeve, McGraw, or Staley would win gold with this group if Geno was not coach. |
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Posted: 04/29/16 6:14 pm ::: |
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Great question ... I voted for McGraw off the list, but Reeve would be a good choice.
I'm guessing the next coach will be female -- it would be more than ironic if Hammon wound up coaching (or does her participation in the Olympics as a Russian disqualify her?). |
I voted for Reeve, but I did not think of Hammon. I like that choice also. |
So Geno Auriemma is not qualified to Coach USA Basketball because he is not a WNBA coach, but another person who is also not a WNBA coach is a good choice?
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Posted: 04/29/16 6:35 pm ::: |
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Does anyone seriously believe for a second that USA Basketball would ever remotely consider Hammon given her response to being left off the team and the brouhaha that ensued?
I think that's a total non starter.
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