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Nerd2
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tfan
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Posted: 05/23/15 10:17 pm ::: |
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One thing I don't like when web pages get re-vamped by new companies is that they will move things around and not put redirects to the new pages, breaking search results and inbound links (like Wikipedia references). The people doing the WNBA site changed the locations of the playerfile pages without putting re-directs to the new page. Google should catch up, if they do keep playerfiles for retired players, but for now, if I search for "Becky Hammon playerfile" it gives me:
http://www.wnba.com/playerfile/becky_hammon/
That page no longer exists.
The new player pages have been moved under the "player" directory and a dash used instead of an underscore:
http://www.wnba.com/player/sue-bird/
But as of now, there is no page for
http://www.wnba.com/player/becky-hammon
If they decide to not keep any playerfile data for players who were retired as of 2015, then that will be a bigger complaint.
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Richyyy
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Posted: 05/23/15 11:15 pm ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
One thing I don't like when web pages get re-vamped by new companies is that they will move things around and not put redirects to the new pages, breaking search results and inbound links (like Wikipedia references). The people doing the WNBA site changed the locations of the playerfile pages without putting re-directs to the new page. Google should catch up, if they do keep playerfiles for retired players, but for now, if I search for "Becky Hammon playerfile" it gives me:
http://www.wnba.com/playerfile/becky_hammon/
That page no longer exists.
The new player pages have been moved under the "player" directory and a dash used instead of an underscore:
http://www.wnba.com/player/sue-bird/
But as of now, there is no page for
http://www.wnba.com/player/becky-hammon
If they decide to not keep any playerfile data for players who were retired as of 2015, then that will be a bigger complaint. |
I hate that too. The career stat pages were far and away my most used part of the site, and they've made them horrible, along with apparently deleting all the old ones (and failing to create the redirect for the old url format).
Also, ridiculously, there are no totals at the bottom of the columns on the player career stat pages any more. So, for example, there is no way to find Sue Bird's career shooting percentage on that page you linked above. That's a really dumb thing to remove, and one of the central things that will lead to me using basketball-reference.com instead if they don't fix it. |
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root_thing
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Posted: 05/24/15 8:56 am ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
Also, ridiculously, there are no totals at the bottom of the columns on the player career stat pages any more. So, for example, there is no way to find Sue Bird's career shooting percentage on that page you linked above. That's a really dumb thing to remove, and one of the central things that will lead to me using basketball-reference.com instead if they don't fix it. |
I noticed that too. The career averages -- especially shooting percentages -- are among the first things I check when researching a player. To exclude them is like providing half of the information.
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NYL_WNBA_FAN
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Posted: 05/24/15 9:33 am ::: |
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In the boxscores, on IE 11 windows 8, I cannot scroll to get to the point totals for each player.
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NYL_WNBA_FAN
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Posted: 05/24/15 9:38 am ::: |
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Never mind it's my screen resolution.
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sigur3
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Posted: 05/24/15 12:05 pm ::: |
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You shouldn't have to change your screen resolution to see a freaking box score.
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icey23
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Posted: 05/24/15 2:05 pm ::: |
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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote: |
In the boxscores, on IE 11 windows 8, I cannot scroll to get to the point totals for each player. |
I have the same problem, This new WNBA page is trash
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Richyyy
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Posted: 05/24/15 2:17 pm ::: |
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sigur3 wrote: |
You shouldn't have to change your screen resolution to see a freaking box score. |
I don't know why they've made everything so ginormous. Isn't part of the point of a box score being able to see the game's numbers fairly quickly and at a glance? Even reduced to 67% it's annoying visually because the names insist on being on two lines, any smaller and it's unreadable.
I don't really understand how anyone could come up with that, look at it, and decide that's what they want to go with for the redesign. |
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kool-aide
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Posted: 05/24/15 2:54 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
sigur3 wrote: |
You shouldn't have to change your screen resolution to see a freaking box score. |
I don't know why they've made everything so ginormous. Isn't part of the point of a box score being able to see the game's numbers fairly quickly and at a glance? Even reduced to 67% it's annoying visually because the names insist on being on two lines, any smaller and it's unreadable.
I don't really understand how anyone could come up with that, look at it, and decide that's what they want to go with for the redesign. |
Agreed. I don't usually reflexively hate site re-designs. But this WNBA re-design removes actual functionality & ability for fans to find information. The re-design killed pretty much every link to news articles, etc. that existed previously. It is also terrible on the eyes for viewing--endless scrolling and scrolling and ugh. Just awful. Fails on pretty much all counts.
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NYL_WNBA_FAN
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Posted: 05/25/15 1:57 pm ::: |
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icey23 wrote: |
NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote: |
In the boxscores, on IE 11 windows 8, I cannot scroll to get to the point totals for each player. |
I have the same problem, This new WNBA page is trash |
On the top right of the browser you can click on the settings icon and change zoom from 100% to something like 85%. That enabled me to see the entire boxscore. But not understanding why the page doesn't automatically scale to your desired screen resolution. I don't have this issue on any other webpage.
And as Richyyy mentioned, if you zoom out too much then you can't read the boxscore at all.
Your existing fans through the years have dwindled. Why do things to discourage people further? I had to use basketball reference like 5 times in the last two days to look up player stats. That shouldn't have to be. This redesign just weeks before the start of the season is typical. Maybe it will be better once they get the kinks out. But it was fine the way it was.
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JohnyK
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Posted: 05/25/15 2:16 pm ::: |
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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote: |
But not understanding why the page doesn't automatically scale to your desired screen resolution. I don't have this issue on any other webpage. |
Because in other places the web developers aren't dumb enough to use fixed sizes on big ass tables. In this case if you have screen that has a horizontal resolution smaller than 1400px you won't be able to see the entire table (we're talking computers here, on mobile it scrolls) of boxscores. |
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pilight
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Posted: 05/25/15 7:22 pm ::: |
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They need to get some professional people running the website.
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sigur3
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Posted: 05/25/15 7:58 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
They need to get some professional people running the website. |
Let's not get greedy. I would settle for people who follow the league.
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Randy
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Posted: 05/25/15 7:59 pm ::: |
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I also have an annoying complaint or question. - Where on my team's web page can I find a roster or even stats? I'd like to know how tall Ify and how old Ify is (not to mention the actual spelling of her name.) Can't find it.....Be glad to accept help on this.
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p_d_swanson
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Queenie
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Posted: 05/25/15 8:19 pm ::: |
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I can't detect a pattern either, p_d.
Not to mention that the player files are utterly useless. No transaction logs? No personal data? Seriously? And as someone else pointed out, seasonal numbers without a career total are half-useless.
Let's see if there's another data dump debacle, like that time all the international players got assigned degrees from Abilene Christian.
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Queenie
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Randy
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Posted: 05/25/15 8:31 pm ::: |
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Thanks p_d. I guess the problem I was having is using AOL to go to the Dream web page instead of Chrome. In AOL land the top line never shows up.
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Nerd2
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pilight
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Posted: 05/25/15 8:57 pm ::: |
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Isn't it customary to beta test a new website design before it goes live?
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Randy
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Posted: 05/25/15 9:30 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Isn't it customary to beta test a new website design before it goes live? |
Why do that? It would cost money. They can read our posts and get it for free.
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Nerd2
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Posted: 05/25/15 10:40 pm ::: |
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Randy wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Isn't it customary to beta test a new website design before it goes live? |
Why do that? It would cost money. They can read our posts and get it for free. |
Because that's how professionals do it. You build the new websites, QA the links and settings, and then point your DNS to the new location. You could even set up your load balancers to allow only certain addresses to hit the beta content until you are ready for production. This has all the hallmarks of a rush job where the content builders were not given enough time or more likely didn't have enough expertise at the web design/revamping biz.
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Nerd2
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Posted: 05/25/15 11:26 pm ::: |
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Another item: checking the roster page no longer gives me how many years' experience they have in a nice table. I'd have to visit each player's individual page for that.
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