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Liz busted her butt getting open in the post vs the Aces on Saturday and her teammates couldn't/wouldn't/didn't get her the ball. LA doesn't seem to know how to use her. Carter is a cancer.
There's an incredible amount of hypocrisy on this board when it comes to Liz. When BG went to Russia carrying drugs, everyone was all sympathetic because she needed the paycheck. When Liz couldn't pay her mortgage, had to borrow money from her mom, and later started her OnlyFans page, she was only interested in making money for Liz. It's fine when Stewie, Bird, Cooper et al model bathing suits in a swimsuit issue, but god forbid Liz shows the same amount of skin on OnlyFans. When Aja and Nneka are talking about diversity and inclusivity, they're applauded, when Liz joins Rihanna's lingerie business catering to all body types, she gets ridiculed for that. When other players talk about mental health issues (look at the sympathy Simone Biles got here when she walked away from her Olympic teammates), this board supports them, when Liz talks about the same, she gets ridiculed. There's a huge double standard here.
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Liz busted her butt getting open in the post vs the Aces on Saturday and her teammates couldn't/wouldn't/didn't get her the ball. LA doesn't seem to know how to use her. Carter is a cancer.
There's an incredible amount of hypocrisy on this board when it comes to Liz. When BG went to Russia carrying drugs, everyone was all sympathetic because she needed the paycheck. When Liz couldn't pay her mortgage, had to borrow money from her mom, and later started her OnlyFans page, she was only interested in making money for Liz. It's fine when Stewie, Bird, Cooper et al model bathing suits in a swimsuit issue, but god forbid Liz shows the same amount of skin on OnlyFans. When Aja and Nneka are talking about diversity and inclusivity, they're applauded, when Liz joins Rihanna's lingerie business catering to all body types, she gets ridiculed for that. When other players talk about mental health issues (look at the sympathy Simone Biles got here when she walked away from her Olympic teammates), this board supports them, when Liz talks about the same, she gets ridiculed. There's a huge double standard here. |
I think the double standard here is that all the other players and athletes you referenced have all earned the respect of their respective sport's fanbase. Liz has not, through her own actions. I love Liz as a player and a personality but it's disingenuous to say that she isn't her own worst enemy. She puts in minimal effort, is dismissive of the league, burns bridges and blame throws left and right, has sat out numerous seasons, has never seemed to take basketball seriously, has never lived up to her potential or even played for a consistent length of time. Liz has failed to launch everywhere she's been. Who's fault is that? Why is it always everyone else's fault when it comes to valid criticism of her?
I could give a fuck if she is on only fans or even a full fledged escort if she would actually string together a decent season. Outside of one game against a garbage NY team, what has Liz accomplished in this league? I'll wait ...
I want Liz to do what makes her happy. I would also like her to stop wasting our time as fans of the game. She's capable of being an All team great but she failed to put the work in. Oh well.
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Liz busted her butt getting open in the post vs the Aces on Saturday and her teammates couldn't/wouldn't/didn't get her the ball. LA doesn't seem to know how to use her. Carter is a cancer.
There's an incredible amount of hypocrisy on this board when it comes to Liz. When BG went to Russia carrying drugs, everyone was all sympathetic because she needed the paycheck. When Liz couldn't pay her mortgage, had to borrow money from her mom, and later started her OnlyFans page, she was only interested in making money for Liz. It's fine when Stewie, Bird, Cooper et al model bathing suits in a swimsuit issue, but god forbid Liz shows the same amount of skin on OnlyFans. When Aja and Nneka are talking about diversity and inclusivity, they're applauded, when Liz joins Rihanna's lingerie business catering to all body types, she gets ridiculed for that. When other players talk about mental health issues (look at the sympathy Simone Biles got here when she walked away from her Olympic teammates), this board supports them, when Liz talks about the same, she gets ridiculed. There's a huge double standard here. |
Think you need to drop the broad brush you paint with. Especially when trying to make hamsters and parrots analogous.
Why am I not allowed to dislike her personality and behavior? Period. Consistently from day 1 (because far more has reinforced my opinion vs changed it).
I did applaud her for being open about her mental health challenges. Didn't make her more likable for me. Liz is about Liz and is high drama. Comparing Biles and Liz - come on now. Situationally about as similar as they are in stature.
No player is forced to play overseas and I don't feel sorry for any pro player living beyond his or her means - that is a choice. They are all in much better position than the majority of regular people. Liz would have been in MUCH better position.
But getting dropped in a Russian prison is a bit different from I can't make my house payment.
SI swimsuit is light years different from only fans. Light years.
When those folks you list start selling on only fans I'll have the exact same opinion - no skin off me regardless but same opinion.
I don't think the double standard is as big as you want it to be - at least not with the examples cited.
There is a huge history of being a great talent and not so much successful meshing with a team.
You clearly like her. Many fans do - some fans prefer a player with drama and attitude. Others don't find it entertaining.
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Liz busted her butt getting open in the post vs the Aces on Saturday and her teammates couldn't/wouldn't/didn't get her the ball. LA doesn't seem to know how to use her. Carter is a cancer.
There's an incredible amount of hypocrisy on this board when it comes to Liz. When BG went to Russia carrying drugs, everyone was all sympathetic because she needed the paycheck. When Liz couldn't pay her mortgage, had to borrow money from her mom, and later started her OnlyFans page, she was only interested in making money for Liz. It's fine when Stewie, Bird, Cooper et al model bathing suits in a swimsuit issue, but god forbid Liz shows the same amount of skin on OnlyFans. When Aja and Nneka are talking about diversity and inclusivity, they're applauded, when Liz joins Rihanna's lingerie business catering to all body types, she gets ridiculed for that. When other players talk about mental health issues (look at the sympathy Simone Biles got here when she walked away from her Olympic teammates), this board supports them, when Liz talks about the same, she gets ridiculed. There's a huge double standard here. |
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Last night I found a YouTube video by some guy. I couldn't tell where he was coming from with the whole of his limited content, so I chose not to post it, It was the only other item addressing this at the time.
The gist (will be interesting if any of it turns out to be true):
During the fourth quarter of the most recent game, Carter got taken out of the game after multiple turnovers and a foul, and she started blaming everyone else (something she has apparently done for years) but seemed to be particularly targeting Liz. His perception was that Liz got fed up since this dynamic was not new. She also was expecting Fred to position her in LA as he had in Dallas, where she had the most success and was disappointed when that didn't happen. So Liz decided she wanted out. They guy seems to be a Chennedy stan but recognizes her shortcomings.
Cryptic summary after sleeping on it.
A shame, whatever the reason, if it's even true. He said the story would come out today. I see a few more links addressing this now, but none from standard sources. |
This (Chennedy vs Liz) combat was so easily predicted. It appears it did not come to physical blows, though that could be predicted as well. For all her faults, Chennedy loves the game and wants to win, something that Liz clearly has no interest in since Liz does nothing to improve her stamina or basketball skills. Liz can now pursue her only interest: making $$ for Liz. In fact, I have no doubt she will turn this into making even more $$ for herself, like she did after trashing the Nigerian players and leaving her national team.
So now she's burned bridges with her national team and the WNBA. I suppose some overseas team will take the opportunity to sign this out of shape player who has shown no interest in improving her basketball skills.
I wish Liz well in pursuing her goals, which clearly do not include becoming a great basketball player. Godspeed. |
Why do you keep talking as if you know the situation of what went down with the Australian National Team. Because if things went down the way you claim they went down the Australian National Team wouldn't have sent Liz an invite to join the team for training for the World Cup in February or March. In fact she turned down the invitation, and that is why she is no longer on the team, so sure you could say she burned a bridge after she turned down the invite, but seeing as she turned down the invite to begin with not sure is the breaking story you think is it of the national team no longer wanting her to be a part of the program.
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Liz Cambage's Sparks 'divorce' had conflict from jersey number choice, to film sessions and on-court gripes, sources say
https://sports.yahoo.com/liz-cambages-sparks-divorce-featured-conflict-from-jersey-number-choice-to-gripes-in-film-sessions-and-on-the-court-sources-say-020037614.html
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Teammates couldn’t help but acknowledge Cambage’s discontent, and in return out of annoyance, they began force-feeding her the ball regardless of what play was supposed to be run, sources say. After the Sparks' 84-66 embarrassing blowout loss, Cambage rushed to the locker room to get dressed for an early exit out of the arena after finishing with 11 points and five boards in 22 minutes. Prior to departing the locker room, she had a message for her teammates:
“I can’t do this anymore. Best of luck to you guys,” she stated before storming out, according to sources with knowledge of her departure.
Her teammates were shocked at the timing, sources say, but not of the end result. |
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Liz Cambage's Sparks 'divorce' had conflict from jersey number choice, to film sessions and on-court gripes, sources say
https://sports.yahoo.com/liz-cambages-sparks-divorce-featured-conflict-from-jersey-number-choice-to-gripes-in-film-sessions-and-on-the-court-sources-say-020037614.html
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Teammates couldn’t help but acknowledge Cambage’s discontent, and in return out of annoyance, they began force-feeding her the ball regardless of what play was supposed to be run, sources say. After the Sparks' 84-66 embarrassing blowout loss, Cambage rushed to the locker room to get dressed for an early exit out of the arena after finishing with 11 points and five boards in 22 minutes. Prior to departing the locker room, she had a message for her teammates:
“I can’t do this anymore. Best of luck to you guys,” she stated before storming out, according to sources with knowledge of her departure.
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It reminded me of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers football player — I can’t remember his name right now — who walked out of the team right in the middle of a game last season. He walked off by removing his pads, gloves, jersey and undershirt and ran out of the field bare chested.
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| On top of this, Zahui B. ended up being suspended for the 2022 season after a miscommunication about her overseas commitment. |
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Liz Cambage's Sparks 'divorce' had conflict from jersey number choice, to film sessions and on-court gripes, sources say
https://sports.yahoo.com/liz-cambages-sparks-divorce-featured-conflict-from-jersey-number-choice-to-gripes-in-film-sessions-and-on-the-court-sources-say-020037614.html
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Teammates couldn’t help but acknowledge Cambage’s discontent, and in return out of annoyance, they began force-feeding her the ball regardless of what play was supposed to be run, sources say. After the Sparks' 84-66 embarrassing blowout loss, Cambage rushed to the locker room to get dressed for an early exit out of the arena after finishing with 11 points and five boards in 22 minutes. Prior to departing the locker room, she had a message for her teammates:
“I can’t do this anymore. Best of luck to you guys,” she stated before storming out, according to sources with knowledge of her departure.
Her teammates were shocked at the timing, sources say, but not of the end result. |
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It reminded me of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers football player — I can’t remember his name right now — who walked out of the team right in the middle of a game last season. He walked off by removing his pads, gloves, jersey and undershirt and ran out of the field bare chested. |
The player was Antonio Brown. As far as Liz goes, to quote Mike Tomlin, "I would rather have volunteers than hostages."
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More insight from The Athletic:
https://theathletic.com/3450821/2022/07/26/los-angeles-sparks-liz-cambage/
"The signings of Cambage and Carter weren’t the first time Fisher had made personnel decisions that left those inside and outside the Sparks’ front office scratching their heads. Heading into last season, internally, there had been agreement to core Chelsea Gray. The point guard had visited with Las Vegas the year before as a restricted free agent, and without a coring, many expected her to bolt at her first chance. Many saw coring Gray as a prudent move that would work as an insurance package to keep not only Gray but also Candace Parker in Los Angeles, knowing that Ogwumike, whether cored or not, would likely remain. However, Fisher decided to core Ogwumike, and in that free-agency period, both Gray (Aces) and Parker (Sky) left the Sparks."
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More insight from The Athletic:
https://theathletic.com/3450821/2022/07/26/los-angeles-sparks-liz-cambage/
"The signings of Cambage and Carter weren’t the first time Fisher had made personnel decisions that left those inside and outside the Sparks’ front office scratching their heads. Heading into last season, internally, there had been agreement to core Chelsea Gray. The point guard had visited with Las Vegas the year before as a restricted free agent, and without a coring, many expected her to bolt at her first chance. Many saw coring Gray as a prudent move that would work as an insurance package to keep not only Gray but also Candace Parker in Los Angeles, knowing that Ogwumike, whether cored or not, would likely remain. However, Fisher decided to core Ogwumike, and in that free-agency period, both Gray (Aces) and Parker (Sky) left the Sparks." |
And had LA cored Gray and both Parker/Nneka walked, then they would be complaining about Fisher not coring Nneka.
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More insight from The Athletic:
https://theathletic.com/3450821/2022/07/26/los-angeles-sparks-liz-cambage/
"The signings of Cambage and Carter weren’t the first time Fisher had made personnel decisions that left those inside and outside the Sparks’ front office scratching their heads. Heading into last season, internally, there had been agreement to core Chelsea Gray. The point guard had visited with Las Vegas the year before as a restricted free agent, and without a coring, many expected her to bolt at her first chance. Many saw coring Gray as a prudent move that would work as an insurance package to keep not only Gray but also Candace Parker in Los Angeles, knowing that Ogwumike, whether cored or not, would likely remain. However, Fisher decided to core Ogwumike, and in that free-agency period, both Gray (Aces) and Parker (Sky) left the Sparks." |
And had LA cored Gray and both Parker/Nneka walked, then they would be complaining about Fisher not coring Nneka. |
I mean, as long as Fisher was involved, Parker was going to walk..and if Gray was dependent on Parker then odds are that was going to be a contract divorce..
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Liz busted her butt getting open in the post vs the Aces on Saturday and her teammates couldn't/wouldn't/didn't get her the ball. LA doesn't seem to know how to use her. Carter is a cancer.
There's an incredible amount of hypocrisy on this board when it comes to Liz. When BG went to Russia carrying drugs, everyone was all sympathetic because she needed the paycheck. When Liz couldn't pay her mortgage, had to borrow money from her mom, and later started her OnlyFans page, she was only interested in making money for Liz. It's fine when Stewie, Bird, Cooper et al model bathing suits in a swimsuit issue, but god forbid Liz shows the same amount of skin on OnlyFans. When Aja and Nneka are talking about diversity and inclusivity, they're applauded, when Liz joins Rihanna's lingerie business catering to all body types, she gets ridiculed for that. When other players talk about mental health issues (look at the sympathy Simone Biles got here when she walked away from her Olympic teammates), this board supports them, when Liz talks about the same, she gets ridiculed. There's a huge double standard here. |
This is the same game that’s described in the Yahoo article where her teammates decided to force-feed her the ball, right?
There are probably multiple dissertations that could be written on the unhealthy relationship mainstream American culture has with sex and sexuality, due to our historical worship of the Pilgrims as the formative settlers in what is now the US (given that they were uptight religious extremists who got kicked out of multiple countries), which rolls right into the idea that exposed bodies, especially female bodies, are inherently sexual, which segues right into the long-standing objectification/commodification/sexualization of people of color specifically.
There’s probably also a separate branching discussion regarding the Puritan work ethic making work at the expense of all else a moral imperative, and the resultant warping of norms regarding mental health and work-life balance, and the generation gap that’s more like a generation chasm regarding the need for self-care. Incidentally, since we’re talking about an Australian, there’s also an element of culture clash at play that may be screwing with all these expectations.
(Were we talking about a novel and not a real person, we’d also probably hit a discussion of the “tragic mulatto” trope in literature, and some interesting literary psychoanalysis regarding why her interactions with Amanda Zahui B were tense, but that’s inappropriate at this stage.)
But I’m overthinking things. For me, my irritation at Cambage comes from her own hypocrisy, and her refusal and/or inability to make lasting changes, and her ability to get herself into the same situation over and over without doing anything other than changing the direction of who she’s blaming.
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Liz busted her butt getting open in the post vs the Aces on Saturday and her teammates couldn't/wouldn't/didn't get her the ball. LA doesn't seem to know how to use her. Carter is a cancer.
There's an incredible amount of hypocrisy on this board when it comes to Liz. When BG went to Russia carrying drugs, everyone was all sympathetic because she needed the paycheck. When Liz couldn't pay her mortgage, had to borrow money from her mom, and later started her OnlyFans page, she was only interested in making money for Liz. It's fine when Stewie, Bird, Cooper et al model bathing suits in a swimsuit issue, but god forbid Liz shows the same amount of skin on OnlyFans. When Aja and Nneka are talking about diversity and inclusivity, they're applauded, when Liz joins Rihanna's lingerie business catering to all body types, she gets ridiculed for that. When other players talk about mental health issues (look at the sympathy Simone Biles got here when she walked away from her Olympic teammates), this board supports them, when Liz talks about the same, she gets ridiculed. There's a huge double standard here. |
Yeah, I've never been irritated at a player before.. Maybe when players start making Kyrie Irving-type money that irritation will happen, but until then I only have mild disappointment... 
And most of that disappointment, comes from the fact that I drafted Liz in the 3rd round of almost all of my WNBA ESPN Fantasy Leagues, lol. Fantasy Playoffs is next week... oh well, maybe next year  
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Liz busted her butt getting open in the post vs the Aces on Saturday and her teammates couldn't/wouldn't/didn't get her the ball. LA doesn't seem to know how to use her. Carter is a cancer.
There's an incredible amount of hypocrisy on this board when it comes to Liz. When BG went to Russia carrying drugs, everyone was all sympathetic because she needed the paycheck. When Liz couldn't pay her mortgage, had to borrow money from her mom, and later started her OnlyFans page, she was only interested in making money for Liz. It's fine when Stewie, Bird, Cooper et al model bathing suits in a swimsuit issue, but god forbid Liz shows the same amount of skin on OnlyFans. When Aja and Nneka are talking about diversity and inclusivity, they're applauded, when Liz joins Rihanna's lingerie business catering to all body types, she gets ridiculed for that. When other players talk about mental health issues (look at the sympathy Simone Biles got here when she walked away from her Olympic teammates), this board supports them, when Liz talks about the same, she gets ridiculed. There's a huge double standard here. |
This is some ridiculous gobbledigook, right there. Let's start with the opening thesis that Liz was open but her teammates would not get her the ball. My eyes tell me VERY clearly that she was not open. I can surmise that she was too lazy to work hard enough or just did not understand what it takes to seal - and that's exactly what we're hearing from her teammates. Now I don't agree with what the LA players did next of giving her the ball over and over which led directly to turnover after turnover, but I digress. Point is that my eyes agree with what her teammates said. They didn't pass to her because they didn't want a sure fire turnover.
Now we get to the second part. Liz referred to the Nigerian women's bball team as "being from a third world country." Whether she also used a racial slur has not been confirmed. Nneka is proud of her Nigerian heritage so could not have been happy to be teamed up with the person who denigrated her home country. So you can flat out leave Nneka out of any defense of Liz. Period. Then there's comparing Liz's lack of mental fitness that she's displayed in every team she's played on with Simone Biles? Seriously?????
The dislike for Liz has nothing to do with her racial background, national background or anything of the sort. She's a brat. A brat who refused to do the work it takes to excel in this league and then blamed everybody else for her failure. People take issue with her money making ventures because she's choosing to spend her time making money rather than improving her game.
And calling Chennedy a "cancer" as a defense of an actual cancer is laughable. Seriously, those two are gasoline and match. We'll see if Chennedy ignites without the match. She's shown she can be an effective player in this league. She's also shown she can tear up a lockerroom all by herself. Liz managed to alienate herself from yet another group of players without any help from Chennedy.
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Wow, some of the post had vaid points.The post defending Liz was looking at Liz through rose colored glasses.
The honest truth is that Liz just doesn't want to play basketball but had to because, she did sign with Addidas. So Addidas cant sell products if their athletes are not playing. I am quite sure, that relationship will be ending soon.
Liz also had caused conflict with her national team and other national teams as well.
Everywhere she goes, there is an issue.She says she wants to be there,has the support of her coaches and then,bam, back to the issues again. I am glad that she and the Sparks made the decision to part ways. Liz will finally get to decide what she wants to do with her life and not be in constant conflict with people because she is displeased with her life.
2. The stuff about Carter tearing up a lockeroom. Lets be real, that ATL dream team had a bunch of drama queens on there. Two of them ended up having their contracts terminated. Courtney Williams was fourtunate enough that Conn decided to take another chance after she was there prevously. So you cant blame Carter for the lockeroom issues.
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Wow, some of the post had vaid points.The post defending Liz was looking at Liz through rose colored glasses.
The honest truth is that Liz just doesn't want to play basketball but had to because, she did sign with Addidas. So Addidas cant sell products if their athletes are not playing. I am quite sure, that relationship will be ending soon.
Liz also had caused conflict with her national team and other national teams as well.
Everywhere she goes, there is an issue.She says she wants to be there,has the support of her coaches and then,bam, back to the issues again. I am glad that she and the Sparks made the decision to part ways. Liz will finally get to decide what she wants to do with her life and not be in constant conflict with people because she is displeased with her life.
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Maybe this is the root. She happens to be a great bball talent and people will pay her a lot of money to play.
But end of the day she doesn't really want to be a bball player.
I still think this was the root of Shoni Shimmel's weight gain - didn't want to be a pro player but was expected to be (tribe). Self sabotage (weight) felt like her only way out...
Perhaps Liz is somewhat caught in the same trap though more the money vs the expectations?
Similar to the male tennis player who just lost Wimbledon - MASSIVE talent and petulant to bratty. Has said he doesn't really like tennis and has no Interest doing the work necessary to get better as others do...his natural gifts allow the success he has had (I'm sure he works just not to max his potential).
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Liz Cambage's Sparks 'divorce' had conflict from jersey number choice, to film sessions and on-court gripes, sources say
https://sports.yahoo.com/liz-cambages-sparks-divorce-featured-conflict-from-jersey-number-choice-to-gripes-in-film-sessions-and-on-the-court-sources-say-020037614.html
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Teammates couldn’t help but acknowledge Cambage’s discontent, and in return out of annoyance, they began force-feeding her the ball regardless of what play was supposed to be run, sources say. After the Sparks' 84-66 embarrassing blowout loss, Cambage rushed to the locker room to get dressed for an early exit out of the arena after finishing with 11 points and five boards in 22 minutes. Prior to departing the locker room, she had a message for her teammates:
“I can’t do this anymore. Best of luck to you guys,” she stated before storming out, according to sources with knowledge of her departure.
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So I acknowledge that I am not a Sparks fan and also don’t particularly like them. That being said... yeesh, the short-to-medium term future doesn’t look good.
Right now? They’re Nneka Ogwumike, Brittney Sykes, a plethora of injuries, several starters that would be crucial reserves on a good team, several reserves that are doing the best they can with what they have, and the mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a cliché that is Chennedy Carter, coached by someone who can generously be called a caretaker.
This offseason? Well, part of the fallout from the Cambage fiasco is that their facilities are trash and their front office is still trying to figure out how to front office. That’s a great way to attract free agents. Meanwhile, two of the above-mentioned injured starters have more lucrative gigs that they’ve previously prioritized over this whole Sparks thing.
Rebuild through the draft? Their first round draft pick is in the hands of a franchise that isn’t even going to get to hold it because someone else has the right to swap for it. Maybe if they hire someone who can scout, they’ll get some second-round gems. Do they have a second round pick or did they trade it for a cup of coffee and a donut?
Okay, so take advantage of the two-year aggregate and play the long game for the 2024 #1 pick? Yeah, about that... yes, there's still a lot of great talent in that draft, but going for that #1 spot just got less important.
So... what do you do?
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| Posted: 08/04/22 4:44 pm ::: |
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| Yes Queenie, the Sparks are Slipping into Darkness...🕳️
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| Posted: 08/04/22 7:17 pm ::: |
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| Queenie wrote: |
So I acknowledge that I am not a Sparks fan and also don’t particularly like them. That being said... yeesh, the short-to-medium term future doesn’t look good.
Right now? They’re Nneka Ogwumike, Brittney Sykes, a plethora of injuries, several starters that would be crucial reserves on a good team, several reserves that are doing the best they can with what they have, and the mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a cliché that is Chennedy Carter, coached by someone who can generously be called a caretaker.
This offseason? Well, part of the fallout from the Cambage fiasco is that their facilities are trash and their front office is still trying to figure out how to front office. That’s a great way to attract free agents. Meanwhile, two of the above-mentioned injured starters have more lucrative gigs that they’ve previously prioritized over this whole Sparks thing.
Rebuild through the draft? Their first round draft pick is in the hands of a franchise that isn’t even going to get to hold it because someone else has the right to swap for it. Maybe if they hire someone who can scout, they’ll get some second-round gems. Do they have a second round pick or did they trade it for a cup of coffee and a donut?
Okay, so take advantage of the two-year aggregate and play the long game for the 2024 #1 pick? Yeah, about that... yes, there's still a lot of great talent in that draft, but going for that #1 spot just got less important.
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Nice summary of this team and franchise. They've been a mess for a good while and it caught up them right after their 'ship. First they got rid of two stars (Parker and Gray), the Fish collected a bunch of teeny, tiny players - one of these was Kristi Toliver who could not get the three year deal she wanted from Mike T and the Mystics. Then tried to get the height average up with two players: Cambage and Samuelson - two players no other team wanted.
And, on top of getting an unmatched set of players, tossed their draft picks, to boot. Mess.
LA needs to clean house, starting at the very top of the franchise, cuz the rot started at the top. They've got to start being a professional franchise and choose a pro GM and a pro Coach.
I would keep
N Ogwumike
Sykes
Zahui B
Chennedy
That's it. Do whatever it takes to move everyone else, including oft injured Chiney. Katie Lou might be done with the WNBA. I don't see any other suckers out there.
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| Posted: 08/05/22 4:37 am ::: |
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They actually don't have to do anything to move off of old contracts they do not want the only players under contract in 23 are
Carter, KLS, Walker, Burrell, Nelson-Odada and a suspended contract expired Zahui B
my guess (though was wrong last year) Toliver and Chiney do not come back and move onto their other careers full-time
Nneka, IMO Nneka has been so committed to LA that if she wants to return LA should give her a max contract, and if she wants to leave LA should just let her leave. If it is in the best interest of both parties LA could do a sign and trade I am not sure LA can core her anymore but they shouldn't if she doesn't want to stay.
Sykes is IMO in a similar boat to Nneka if she wants to stay give her a decent in the middle contract, if she wants to leave let her.
The good news LA has a huge amount of cap space so they don't have to bottom out completely if they don't want to. They can afford close to three max contracts and even without maxing out certain players they could definitely outbid other teams with much more cap restraints. If they want to tank for 24 they could also do that by bringing in lots of young talent,
Example of the not going full rebuild stratagem offer big money to free agents such as B. Jones, A. Stevens, E. Magbegor maybe McCowan if Dallas doesn't want to go max LA has the money that if they wanted to install a new front court of Jones/Stevens I am not sure either of their current teams match max or near max money and that is an intriguing starting point, building around a youngish decent starting 5 of Carter, Sykes, KLS, Stevens and Jones is more of a reset than a rebuild. If you want some less expensive/mid level vets to fill out the roster and stay competitive you (If you don't want to rebuild through the draft maybe Diggins-Smith could be attainable with LA's first round pick in 24 and a couple of young players, probably depends on if Diggins-Smith wants out and Taurasi retires and PX goes full tank in 23 two lottery picks in 24 is a way to go, if PX doesn't want to tank and Diggins-Smith wants out and Nneka wants out of LA a sign and trade Ogwumike for Diggins-Smith might also work for both teams)
LA could also bring in players like Jefferson, Hayes, bring back E. Wheeler, T. Mitchell, or others on mid level deals if they want to stay competitive.
The other idea bring in young players, out of the league players find some diamonds in the rough to develop in 23 build around Carter and get a star from the class of 24 Bueckers, Clark, Brink, Reese are some of the lottery options that season
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| As much as I like Zahui B., I much prefer Maria Vadeeva playing center alongside Nneka at PF. Maria was one player strong enough to give a player like Big Bad Syl problems while battling for position in the paint. She was too strong for Syl to just overpower her like Syl could with other players. Plus, Maria was more mobile & active than Liz. I do not know if the Sparks still hold the rights to Maria as a WNBA player.
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