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[toad455]

My local pharmacy just had another pharmacist quit. His second this year leaving the owner with just himself and one of pharmacist at the beginning of the year. He's strongly considering closing on Sundays to avoid working 7 days/week.

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I do not understand how we are almost two years into this thing, and I, living near the center of the third-largest city in the country, cannot find a test to purchase. I know there is a significant demand right now, but how is this not figured out?

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COVID deaths undercounted.

[FrozenLVFan]

Biden is being interviewed by David Muir now. He knows so fucking little about this pandemic that it's terrifying.

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[jammerbirdi]

OK, dead stop. We're not doing that here in this thread. The election was 13 months ago. Trump is long gone. There is always another administration. It is the bulk of our massive federal government and therefore a target rich environment for passionate discussion. There is much to criticize always. I started this thread for this exact unfortunate eventuality of a possible coming bad COVID winter. We're in it now and I will always believe that it's incredibly important that people have a place to discuss important topics outside of our own real-life circles and also now more or less offline from the pitfalls of having open and honest conversations on social media.

So NO MORE whatabout-Trump'isms in this thread. There will be no other warning. Start another thread if you want to rehash how bad of a president Trump was. This thread is about winter 2021-22 and here is where we very well might be talking about how bad of a president we have at this precise moment. That's appropriate here because this is our elected government now and this is when we are in the deepest trouble we've ever been in as citizens of this country.

To wit. That interview was nightmarish. But I'm actually not interested personally in lampooning or harpooning Biden at this moment. There are so many other things happening around this that are far more interesting than the fact that the president is demented, ill-informed, but still in possession of his own unique brand of unthinking tone-deaf disregard for human suffering.

Outside of Obama, the way the office of the presidency has fallen through the cracks most of the last two decades has been its own terrifying development in our nation's history. But it is what it is. Our country is controlled by a self-serving governmental management class and we've discussed that here and it's discussed every day by a handful of great journalistic voices and that subject is just far too broad to be helpful in this thread.

Because this thread is about helping a very small group of people, US, to try to navigate the information we're being given about this moment in the pandemic and all things therein by way of a hopefully healthy and helpful dose of shared insights and alternative viewpoints that can maybe clarify certain aspects of the realities we're all facing.

So with all that said, I feel like I've been dragged into a conversation I wasn't really up for engaging in at the moment. This has been a hard day and I'm just not up for writing a bunch of shit that's rolling around in my head along with everything else that's happening. But I'll give it a go.

The subject of failures of messaging, and MEASURES taken, etc. is, I think, a very important area to focus on. And what I'm going to present here is, I believe, one of the clearest examples of this that we could have ever hoped NOT to be provided with.

So right now, there is a battle raging (that's my characterization, I have no idea as to how heated any of this is, but I would guess it is a MASSIVE and very heated debate that is likely going on between health and science officials and the more political side of things) about the definition that our national health agencies are going to give, or continue to give, to the phrase "fully vaccinated." What that means at the moment is likely to change. Or, I should say, it is being debated at this time as to whether it is going to be changed.

This is fucking massive. And it is a public messaging DEBACLE. And I think it's fairly clear that it is most likely a politically driven issue.

But here are the FACTS. What (or who) is considered FULLY VACCINATED at THIS VERY MOMENT is anyone who had a two shot MRNA vaccine regimen, or a single shot Johnson & Johnson shot at any time since those vaccines were made available to the public. That is the OFFICIAL definition at this time of the phrase FULLY VACCINATED as it is being used in all public statements emanating from our government's public health response.

There are no qualifiers or warnings given to the public in those statements having to do with waning immunity due to the time that may have passed since a person has been administered those vaccines. Fully vaccinated is what you are if you had those shots. Stick a pin in this right here. We'll be back here in a minute.

And yet we know, if we were listening to the news a few months ago when this information was briefly reported in the press, that six months after an MRNA vaccine you would have something like 45% of the immunity the shots originally afforded you. And if you were, like me, a recipient of the J&J shot, you were all the way down to a reported 13% of the immunity afforded by that single shot.

Now I'm not a numbers person, but I am CERTAINLY capable of figuring out when there's a real problem coming my way. I'm taking these numbers right off of CNN last week. I have a picture of it on my iPhone, so trust me. But I'm going to round them off, MY WAY, for ease of understanding.

So, we are told, that 60.8% of the American people are FULLY VACCINATED. That is given the above definition of the phrase and I'm just going to round that off MY WAY to say 60%.

26.6% (I'm going to say 25% for ease of understanding the numbers) of THOSE 60% that are FULLY VACCINATED are reported to have received booster shots as of this data being reported last week.

There is, as I've already stated, NO discussion or, at least nothing coming from public health officials in terms of an official statement, regarding WANING immunity in those who are FULLY VACCINATED but not boosted.

So, for instance, I got my Pfizer shot exactly two weeks ago. Two weeks and one day ago, I was considered, and accounted for by our government, as being FULLY VACCINATED despite the fact that I most certainly had little or no vaccine immunity left in my system.

So if only one quarter of the little over half of the American people who were vaccinated earlier in the year are boosted... what are we talking about?

Let's stop playing our government's word games!

Who and how many are actually adequately vaccinated against COVID-19 in this country?

There are 330 million Americans. 60% of that is 200 million. A quarter of that is 50 million. So the TRUTH is that somewhere around 50 million Americans out of 330 million are at least as adequately vaccinated against the coronavirus as is possible.

Look, this is why I started this thread, on a couple of different levels. But I didn't make any of this shit up. I saw that boosters were the new standard of vaccinated protection. I'd heard that immunity was rapidly waning from the initial shots and that these things COULD combine to cause a world of problems come the winter months. I started this thread in mid-September. And now here we are.

You better know officials are warring over the fact that our OFFICIAL government definition for FULLY VACCINATED is a vast group of people who have basically NO remotely adequate immunity left in their system from their first round of shots. It would be LIFE SAVING INFORMATION, I AM SURE, if our government was HAMMERING this across to the public!

The truth. As it so plainly is.

But they're not doing that. And here is why.

Politics. The curse of the COVID-19 pandemic has always been politics. Our federal response to this, both administrations, their big win, is these vaccines and their success in developing them and getting so many Americans vaccinated. You all saw the circle jerk between Biden and Trump yesterday. They both enjoyed quite the happy ending, didn't they? The vaccine SUCCESS STORY is something neither one of them can let go of.

This massive federal government and specifically now THIS administration can no more now DOWNPLAY the importance of those early vaccines than they could downplay any other political or policy victory they can lay claim to. They so DESPERATELY need every win they can get. That's what's holding up the change in the definition of fully vaccinated. It should have been changed months ago. NO. You are NOT fully vaccinated, America, going into the third winter of COVID simply because you happened to have gotten vaccinated during the SECOND winter of COVID. We're only TELLING you you are FULLY VACCINATED because it makes US, the political class, LOOK GOOD.

That IS terrifying. Go through a day like I went through today, and let someone come here and dare to tell you that you terrify easily.

Let's talk about Fauci for a second. So Fauci admitted lying to the public last year. He did it to protect mask supplies for health care workers. His heart was in the right place. I've always felt that he's a good guy. Plain speaking. But I think that was a huge mistake. It's up to someone else to decide whether he should still be on the job after something like that. I'm inclined to believe he should have been retained but his public profile should have been reduced to completely invisible. Too smart to lose but not someone the American people can or should trust any more.

But I still liked the guy and thought his way of communicating information was one of his real strong points.

So two Sundays ago Fauci was on, I think, Meet the Press. And his statements were used as soundbites for the next few days on many news telecasts. But he was almost unrecognizable as a speaking mind from the person he was in 2020. His personality had completely changed. He was like someone who came from a pod in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. We all know and can hear corporate double-speak or when people's lips are moving but they're not really saying anything. Fauci was all of that, personified. He is now so careful, so corporate-speak, so NOT saying anything one way or the other, that I was stunned. And then, as if he HAD said something profound, our mainstream news media excerpted and ran his comments over and over again. Mind numbing and scary turn of events.

So yeah, there’s no question we’re being lied to. It’s happening all the time and in great big highly concerted and deliberate ways. The word games and doublespeak are textbook government truth dodges right out of Orwell. And no one can look at the totality of the response and come away believing that public health concerns were at the forefront of what drove the decisions that have been made.

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[FrozenLVFan]

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[Luuuc]

Since the first wave ended in my state in May 2020 we've had zero Covid deaths. And barely needed to touch a mask or socially distance in the subsequent 18 months.
Travel restrictions are the primary reason for that success.
So to say that they are political and not scientific does not gel with me at all.

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Travel restrictions are easier when you don't have thousands of miles of land border with foreign countries

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