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| Who will be the Rookie of the Year in 2021? |
| DiJonai Carrington (CON) |
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9% |
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| Charli Collier (DAL) |
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17% |
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| Rennia Davis (MIN) |
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11% |
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| Chelsea Dungee (DAL) |
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7% |
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| Dana Evans (DAL) |
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3% |
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| Kysre Gondrezick (IND) |
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3% |
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| Shyla Heal (CHI) |
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0% |
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| Micaela Kelly (CON) |
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0% |
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| Awak Kuier (DAL) |
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11% |
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| Natasha Mack (CHI) |
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1% |
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| Aari McDonald (ATL) |
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5% |
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| Michaela Onyenwere (NYL) |
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9% |
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| DiDi Richards (NYL) |
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0% |
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| Destiny Slocum (LVA) |
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0% |
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| Unique Thompson (IND) |
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0% |
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| Jasmine Walker (LAS) |
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3% |
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| Stephanie Watts (LAS) |
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1% |
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| Kiana Williams (SEA) |
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1% |
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| Aaliyah Wilson (IND) |
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0% |
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| Other |
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7% |
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 Posted: 04/18/21 8:56 pm ::: 2021 pre-training camp Rookie of the Year survey |
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I left off Rupert and Carrera because of the likelihood that they won’t show up. It helps reach lower into second round so Carrington could be added.
If you really think Rupert or Carrera or some favs like Guirantes or Perry will win ROY you’re gonna have to hit up that ”other” button.
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| Posted: 04/18/21 9:15 pm ::: |
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| I voted for McDonald because I am an impossible homer
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| Posted: 04/18/21 10:18 pm ::: |
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| Posted: 04/18/21 10:36 pm ::: |
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It will be someone we least expect.
I have to ponder on it before I vote
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| Posted: 04/19/21 12:05 am ::: |
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| Completely clueless. I will need more information to make a better prediction. Playing time is the best indicator for ROY. Whichever team loses a key player and the rookie steps in to take her place that is how you can predict who will win that trophy 🏆.
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| Posted: 04/19/21 12:20 am ::: |
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Since it could be pretty much anyone, I'm just gonna roll with the player on the team that currently employs the past two ROYs. Why not make it a three-peat.
Actually, a five-peat of sorts. Since the League started awarding ROYs in '98, no other team active or inactive has apparently had more than two in its history.
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| Posted: 04/19/21 12:33 am ::: |
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Collier has the best chance at big minutes, so she gets my vote. But, this question definitely evokes the impact of this class. Everyone is marginal. Not that some of these players will last, but who is the question.
That being said, I think Kuier is the most likely to be in the league in 2030. She has the body and skillset, and her draft interview was affirmative that she's dedicated. I believe she has the potential to get Finland into the World Championships at some point, which...is quite a big ask. At 20, she has 15+ years to build upon her profile. She's gonna make waves in Dallas. More than Collier.
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| Posted: 04/19/21 1:34 am ::: |
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| I don't believe it works this way, but I would make a case for Sabrina Ionescu. She only played 2 1/2 games last season. MLB allows for "rookies" to have roughly 1/4 season of play and still be classified as rookies. If that definition were used in the WNBA she would be a near lock unless the injury bug strikes again.
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| Posted: 04/19/21 8:52 am ::: |
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| I don't believe it works this way, but I would make a case for Sabrina Ionescu. She only played 2 1/2 games last season. MLB allows for "rookies" to have roughly 1/4 season of play and still be classified as rookies. If that definition were used in the WNBA she would be a near lock unless the injury bug strikes again. |
Makes me wonder if there isn't a clear cut favorite or the class is really under-whelming, if they won't put a clause in that says you're a rookie until you play X number of games.
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| Posted: 04/19/21 9:58 am ::: |
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That being said, I think Kuier is the most likely to be in the league in 2030. |
Based on the track record of European players that didn’t go through NCAAW?
Maybe this one is different, maybe not.
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Kolb mentioned at his press conference that he thinks Sabrina should be eligible for ROY, but that "the league doesn't agree." So, it sounds like the question was asked and answered.
As far as Collier goes, if it's an open competition, I'm not convinced that she necessarily beats out Alarie or Harrison for minutes -- or Kuier if she shows up. Remember, Kuier and Alarie are high draft picks too. They're both supposed to be high ceiling prospects. Meanwhile, Harrison is the proven veteran. Vicki Johnson strikes me as an old-school coach who is going to make people earn their minutes. On the offensive end, Dallas has the league's leading scorer in Ogunbowale, a budding star in Sabally, a very good young veteran in Gray, and an accurate long-range bomber in Mabrey. Whoever they stick at the center position only needs to be the 5th option. I think any of these center candidates can fill that role. Where people will have to distinguish themselves is on the defensive end. Who will make the team defense better? All four are fairly mobile. Collier is strong and probably the best rebounder. Alarie has the best history of blocking shots in college, but even in the WNBA Alarie was second in the league in block percentage behind A'ja Wilson -- albeit in a backup capacity. Kuier recorded 1.6 blocks in 24.2 minutes or .066 bpm for Ragusa. She has superior athleticism that should be an advantage over time. Meanwhile, Collier has never been a big shot-blocker. This season, she averaged 1.2 bpg in 32.5 mpg. That works out to .037 blocks per minute -- close to her career mark of .041. So, there's reason to believe Alarie and Kuier will be the better rim protectors, and realistically, it's very possible that someone other than Collier gets the most minutes.
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| Posted: 04/19/21 11:45 am ::: |
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| Seems as though Harrison gets injured a lot, so who knows if she will play all season. I think jury is out on how good Alarie really is as well. Also, VJ substituted a lot (some said too much) when she was the Stars coach so I'd expect her to do the same, at least until she figures out what she can do with which players.
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| Posted: 04/19/21 5:59 pm ::: |
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| I semi-randomly voted for Kuier. It looks to me like she will at least get playing time. But yeah, it probably depends on who is injured, so who gets more opportunity. It's wide open!
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| Posted: 04/19/21 9:02 pm ::: |
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| Randy wrote: |
| Seems as though Harrison gets injured a lot, so who knows if she will play all season. I think jury is out on how good Alarie really is as well. Also, VJ substituted a lot (some said too much) when she was the Stars coach so I'd expect her to do the same, at least until she figures out what she can do with which players. |
My point is that the jury is out on everyone -- including Collier. I agree that VJ will probably do a lot of experimenting.
The other thing I would point out is that Bibb doesn't seem sentimental or emotional about his decisions. He picked Zahui B. #2 in his first year as GM of Tulsa but quickly traded her the next season. He made the bad deal giving up Powers for Hill, then unloaded Hill when it was clear she was a burden. Bibb gave the big contract to Ndour last year, then admitted his mistake and waived her in February. Also, people thought he would take Cox last season because she was from Texas, but Bibb went with Sabally. He did take the Texas girl this year, but Collier was the consensus #1 everywhere except on Rebkell.  So, I don't see Bibb as sentimental or emotional about these things. He may make bad decisions but he doesn't seem irrational about them. I don't expect Bibb to put pressure on VJ if she doesn't want to use Collier. |
How does Bibb still have a job.... |
Because he's not only the GM, he's the President also after "buying" a percentage of ownership stock in the team two years ago, so love him or hate him, he's not going anywhere anytime soon!!!
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| Posted: 04/20/21 4:46 am ::: |
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| i voted onyenwere, but now that i think about it - guirantes
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| i voted onyenwere, but now that i think about it - guirantes |
Guirantes is on the bubble to even make the team.
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| He did take the Texas girl this year, but Collier was the consensus #1 everywhere except on Rebkell. |
This poll on Rebkell was 73% in favor of Collier as #1.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=99211
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Going through the rookies.
1. Collier: Started out with a double double in her first game, but Johnson seems to be concerned about being fair to the “vets”.
2. Kuier: Played light minutes in first couple games. Has disappeared since.
3. McDonald: Looks like she might have potential, but is buried behind a deep guard rotation even with Carter hurt. And because Reeve paid a high price to cut her loose, of course Sims is doing great. Who would have predicted that?
4. Gondrezick: Shows flashes. They say they’re developing her as a PG, but they’re already pretty deep in the position with DRob and LAllen, and Allemand on the back burner. Maybe at some point when they’ve given up on the season they’ll let her start?
5. Dungee: Same story as all the guards in the draft. Back of the rotation. Getting no playing time.
6. Onyenwere: Has stayed healthy and is getting the opportunity to play, so she’s looking alright. Seemed to hit a bit of a wall with Ionescu out.
7. Walker: ACL injury
8. Heal: Cut
9. Davis: Came in hurt. Acting as a paid deferral pick. Woo hoo! She’s a dime store Rhyne Howard, so Reeve better hope she’s worth it.
10. Watts: Traded and then cut after a few games.
11. AWilson: Injured
12. Rupert: Deferral (temporary?)
13. Evans: Used sparsely in DAL, traded to CHI.
14. Slocum: Has been used sparsely but Laimbeer seems to like her and he’s not easy to please.
15. Carrera: Deferral
16. Mack: Cut & now replacement specialist.
17. Richards: Used sparsely in the land of opportunity.
18. KWilliams: (See the plight of all the guards who manage to survive cuts)
19. Thompson: Cut
20. Carrington: Started out pretty good but is inconsistent.
21. Kelly: Cut
22. Guirantes: The seas had to part to get her on the roster, but I’m not really seeing anything special there. |
It's interesting to see what each rookie's situation is, in order, like this.
To summarize: Picks #7, 9, and 11 had/have injury issues. Picks #4 and 10 were consensus reaches. Picks #2, 8, and 22 in various respects joined their teams late. Picks #12 and 15 wisely were what 2 and 8 probably should've been: deferrals.
That covers why 10 of the top 22 either suck or are MIA altogether. But in terms of why the other 12 either suck or are just okay, then yeah, even considering an individual player's fit on a team, lack of raw talent still seems to play a big part.
Collier is sort of being used how Laimbeer used Carolyn Swords in starting in the middle but giving way minutes-wise to her backup(s). Vickie Johnson also appears to not be letting her shoot 3s – truly taking a page out of Laimbeer's playbook in every sense. Even playing 20 minutes/game rather than the 13.5 she's getting now I think would help speed up her development/comfortability a little. I don't see what she gets out of playing the first parts of every 1st and 3rd quarters, but not much else.
McDonald despite being a bench player has actually gotten some runtime, especially in the wake of Chennedy Carter's injury. She has had a few good games here & there. Still, assuming that the Dream want to prioritize keeping Carter & Courtney Williams as their starting backcourt, this is definitely not the right team for McDonald if her future with this team is that of a backup.
Dungee, whether she's ready for runtime or not, is clearly tired of being buried on the Wings' bench. Since Allisha Gray who plays directly in front of Dungee has apparently has had a rough time re-adjusting since returning from 3x3 Qualifiers, at least as of a couple games ago, Dungee's lack of minutes remains inexplicable, but only slightly. Though I don't know if anyone expected Marina Mabrey to become a do-it-all extraordinaire on the perimeter at this level. Maybe more minutes were gonna be attributed to Dungee upon drafting her, but then Mabrey forced everyone's hand by continuing to improve upon her surprising 2020 season. It'd be nice to see Dungee traded to another team that could actually use her as well, in the same way her former teammate Evans was. Would she play well with more minutes though? Who really knows.
Onyenwere's situation is interesting. So many wing-forward players on that roster. If Jocelyn Willoughby were healthy, it would've been interesting to see if that would've purely affected Onyenwere's opportunity for minutes. Neah Odom, though less drastically, also got hurt to start the season. Bec Allen wasn't with the team yet. So at least to begin with, Onyenwere was thrust into a starting role out of necessity. Did she earn the job nonetheless? Who's to say. She has had it since, but let's be honest: She could play herself out of starting if she stops being able to hit shots. First of all, it should be mentioned that the team's rotation is a bit off right now with Natasha Howard out and Sabrina Ionescu being less than 100%, which surely impacts how the rest of the team is able to play. But the fact remains: Onyenwere for the season is now at 10.1 PPG, shooting below 40%, and averaging less than 3 rebounds per game. If her slide stemming from the past five games continues – 7.2 PPG on 31% FG incl. 28% 3PT – the team could bench her in favor of more experience (Allen) or someone shooting better than her who was starting last year (Odom). And who knows how a bench role would affect both her minutes and her play. All that said, Onyenwere's still the only true ROY candidate – for now. The majority of the season is yet to come. If she starts slumping long-term... well, it'll at least make the ROY award into a race again, if nothing else. A race to the bottom...
And the rest untouched are 2nd-round picks, which are volatile and should be given low expectations really in any Draft, even if one or two of them probably should've been taken in the 1st round.
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