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| Posted: 04/19/21 11:06 pm ::: |
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| I thought they were too high, not too low.
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1. Las Vegas Aces
2. Chicago Sky
3. Washington Mystics
4. Minnesota Lynx
5. Seattle Storm
6. Phoenix Mercury
7. Los Angeles Sparks
8. New York Liberty
9. Atlanta Dream
10. Dallas Wings
11. Connecticut Sun
12. Indiana Fever
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1. Aces
2. Lynx
3. Sky
4. Mystics
5. Storm
6. Mercury
7. Sun
8/9. Sparks/Dream
10. Liberty
11. Wings
12. Fever
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The questions that I have for any team with championship aspirations; How nasty is your perimeter defense? Do you have guards that can frustrate and disrupt the flow of the other team's offense?
That is the type of defense that was used by the previous two champions. So it appears to be a formula for success.
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| Posted: 04/20/21 9:50 am ::: |
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The questions that I have for any team with championship aspirations; How nasty is your perimeter defense? Do you have guards that can frustrate and disrupt the flow of the other team's offense?
That is the type of defense that was used by the previous two champions. So it appears to be a formula for success. |
Seems like that excludes the Sky from being a contender.
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I pretty much agree with this. Assuming no major injuries. We don't know how EDD will be for instance, and I would put the Sun in a 7/8/9 grouping with the other two.
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1. Aces
2. Lynx
3. Sky
4. Mystics
5. Storm
6. Mercury
7. Sun
8/9. Sparks/Dream
10. Liberty
11. Wings
12. Fever |
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tier 1 superior talent
LV- If everyone is healthy they are incredibly strong 1 through 8 (Gray, Plum, McCoughtry, Wilson, Cambage, Williams, J. Young, Hamby), they can even withstand one major injury for parts of the season and stay in the clear front runner position
tier 2 up and coming contenders and returning to the top
Minny- was already on the come up last season, added 3 strong and experienced free agents to a an already decent team. Also added pieces that will compliment not compete with new star Collier. Fowles and Dantas are still strong post options.
Chicagg- Has also been climbing the contender ladder. Best PG in the game, room for internal growth with the return of Deshields and Stevens, Copper and Williams keep improving, decent role player posts and the additions of a motivated Parker who even as a vet still has tons of talent and knowledge to help take the team to a new level.
Washington- Adding EDD, Cloud and Charles to a team that made the finals last year, still have one of the best coaches might get a huge boost post Olymics with the retun of Messeman. would have been tier one before the loss of Clark.
Tier 3 Different but not better experienced teams
Seattle- Took a huge hit with the loss of Howard, Clark and Whitcomb. But Still have Stewart, Loyd and Bird which is enough to make it happen, and if things fall correctly they have a lot of potential from internal growth Canada, Magbegor and Russell keep getting better and new talent looking to expand their presence in the league KLS, MHH, Maybe Talbot and experienced players who still have something to offer Dupree, Prince maybe Ty Young. So yeah some drop off from top contender but maybe not as much as people think.
LA- Same as above huge hit from the loss of Parker and Gray, but still have N. Ogwumike, Chiney, maybe the return of Vadeeva the reintroduction of Toliver, new addition Wheeler and a player in Sykes who could become an all-star, strong deep rotation talent in Augustus, Copper, Zahui B, Weise again some drop off but not that far.
PX- Every year PX looks like a contender and then ends up middle of the pack. A team build around Griner, SDS, and DT is always going to compete. They also should get a bump from experience together but have to figure out how to play with their big 3 effectively. Turner, Cunningham and Smith have all been on an upward trajectory since they have been in the league. PX should probably should be tier 2 but something always seems to keep them down. They are still the team you never want to see on an elimination game.
Tier 4 New comers how high can they rise
Atl- I think Atl is a little under rated but their is cause. They have revamped their front line with players ready to go to the next level. Ch. Parker has all-star potential, Hawkins has looked like one of the players that could be a strong starter but never got enough minutes in Washington. E. Will as your 3rd post is much better than E. Will as your first post and Billings has continued to ascend if slowly. The return of Hayes who seems to be playing at an all-star level over-seas is another big boost. The big question is the back-court Individually Carter, C. Williams, Sims, SWK and McDonald (with Hayes as an option when she isn't at SF) is a very talented group. If they mesh well Atl will be a force. If they end up over lapping or competing with themselves for playing time and shots they might struggle.
NY- NY was so bad last year it is hard to see them out of the bottom but Howard, Laney and Whitcomb is an addition of 3 free agents who all have something to prove, improve the Liberty greatly on both ends of the court and fit together perfectly. The return of Ionescu who strikes me as being ready to take the league by storm and not put up a good rookie showing but might be ready to put up a borderline all-star type of showing surrounded by those player gives NY a lot of potential. And while they probably weren't meant for huge roles like last season, Stokes, Jones, Willoughby, Shook and Odom all have solid role player potential. If we can add Allen into the mix and get a decent showing from a rookie NY will be competitive every night.
Dallas- Ogunbowale and Sabally are ready to be stars. Gray and Thorton are strong support players. The only thing cramping Dallas' potential is inexperience especially in the post. Harrison is the second best post for now and while I really like Kuier and Collier they are clearly going to have a period of adjustment that will limit how far Dallas can go. Harris is a player who looks ready to step up, but they will need more from the rest of the young guns to get out of the lottery. It is possible because Ogunbowale and Sabally can win you games any night of the week.
Any Tier 4 team could knock a tier 3 team into the lottery all it would take is an injury or chemistry issue in tier 3 or a tier 4 team coming together quicker and stronger than expected. The Audacity of youth.
tier 5 miss piece, not quite there pieces
Conn- I love Bonner, but it was Bonner and A. Thomas that made last years Conn team go and even though they got to the semis they did so from the 8th or 7th regular season playoff spot. A. Thomas is a huge loss on both ends of the floor the offense and defense was built around her. J. Jones is a great talent but might not be there enough, hasn't built chemistry with this squad and has had both all-star and under performing seasons the last couple of time she was in the W. January and J. Thomas would be great in a role like Prince in Seattle or Augustus in LA but they are the starters and needed for a lot on both ends of the floor. B. Jones had one really good season as a big minutes starter in the post and was a good compliment to A. Thomas if she has the same kind of chemistry with Jonquel things aren't so bad but who knows. Carrington and Charles are the x-factor IMO if they get decnet minutes and perform Conn can still get some wins, but that is a lot to ask from a rookie and a sophomore who both ended up in the late 2nd round of their drafts.
Indy- McCowan, K. Mitchell, T. Mitchell are decent but have yet to get the fever out of the bottom. Cox needs to step up, Breland and Lavender are good re-enforcements up front but will also knock out some developmental minutes. Their draft and trades didn't really seem to add anything to move the needle so Indy will have to count on a lot of internal growth to get anywhere than the bottom.
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| Posted: 04/20/21 12:42 pm ::: |
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The questions that I have for any team with championship aspirations; How nasty is your perimeter defense? Do you have guards that can frustrate and disrupt the flow of the other team's offense?
That is the type of defense that was used by the previous two champions. So it appears to be a formula for success. |
Seems like that excludes the Sky from being a contender. |
Old news.
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https://www.startribune.com/kent-youngblood-s-wnba-power-rankings/
Kent Youngblood
1. SEA
2. LVA
3. CHI
4. MIN
5. WAS
6. PHX
7. CON
8. LAS
9. DAL
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| Posted: 05/14/21 11:19 am ::: |
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| Nice to see Indiana consistently at the bottom. Maybe we can finally get a No. 1 pick this year.
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1. Aces
2. Mystics
3. Sky
4. Storm
5. Sun
6. Lynx
7. Mercury
8 Liberty
9. Dream
10. Sparks
11. Wings
12. Fever
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tier 1 superior talent
LV- If everyone is healthy they are incredibly strong 1 through 8 (Gray, Plum, McCoughtry, Wilson, Cambage, Williams, J. Young, Hamby), they can even withstand one major injury for parts of the season and stay in the clear front runner position
tier 2 up and coming contenders and returning to the top
Minny- was already on the come up last season, added 3 strong and experienced free agents to a an already decent team. Also added pieces that will compliment not compete with new star Collier. Fowles and Dantas are still strong post options.
Chicagg- Has also been climbing the contender ladder. Best PG in the game, room for internal growth with the return of Deshields and Stevens, Copper and Williams keep improving, decent role player posts and the additions of a motivated Parker who even as a vet still has tons of talent and knowledge to help take the team to a new level.
Washington- Adding EDD, Cloud and Charles to a team that made the finals last year, still have one of the best coaches might get a huge boost post Olymics with the retun of Messeman. would have been tier one before the loss of Clark.
Tier 3 Different but not better experienced teams
Seattle- Took a huge hit with the loss of Howard, Clark and Whitcomb. But Still have Stewart, Loyd and Bird which is enough to make it happen, and if things fall correctly they have a lot of potential from internal growth Canada, Magbegor and Russell keep getting better and new talent looking to expand their presence in the league KLS, MHH, Maybe Talbot and experienced players who still have something to offer Dupree, Prince maybe Ty Young. So yeah some drop off from top contender but maybe not as much as people think.
LA- Same as above huge hit from the loss of Parker and Gray, but still have N. Ogwumike, Chiney, maybe the return of Vadeeva the reintroduction of Toliver, new addition Wheeler and a player in Sykes who could become an all-star, strong deep rotation talent in Augustus, Copper, Zahui B, Weise again some drop off but not that far.
PX- Every year PX looks like a contender and then ends up middle of the pack. A team build around Griner, SDS, and DT is always going to compete. They also should get a bump from experience together but have to figure out how to play with their big 3 effectively. Turner, Cunningham and Smith have all been on an upward trajectory since they have been in the league. PX should probably should be tier 2 but something always seems to keep them down. They are still the team you never want to see on an elimination game.
Tier 4 New comers how high can they rise
Atl- I think Atl is a little under rated but their is cause. They have revamped their front line with players ready to go to the next level. Ch. Parker has all-star potential, Hawkins has looked like one of the players that could be a strong starter but never got enough minutes in Washington. E. Will as your 3rd post is much better than E. Will as your first post and Billings has continued to ascend if slowly. The return of Hayes who seems to be playing at an all-star level over-seas is another big boost. The big question is the back-court Individually Carter, C. Williams, Sims, SWK and McDonald (with Hayes as an option when she isn't at SF) is a very talented group. If they mesh well Atl will be a force. If they end up over lapping or competing with themselves for playing time and shots they might struggle.
NY- NY was so bad last year it is hard to see them out of the bottom but Howard, Laney and Whitcomb is an addition of 3 free agents who all have something to prove, improve the Liberty greatly on both ends of the court and fit together perfectly. The return of Ionescu who strikes me as being ready to take the league by storm and not put up a good rookie showing but might be ready to put up a borderline all-star type of showing surrounded by those player gives NY a lot of potential. And while they probably weren't meant for huge roles like last season, Stokes, Jones, Willoughby, Shook and Odom all have solid role player potential. If we can add Allen into the mix and get a decent showing from a rookie NY will be competitive every night.
Dallas- Ogunbowale and Sabally are ready to be stars. Gray and Thorton are strong support players. The only thing cramping Dallas' potential is inexperience especially in the post. Harrison is the second best post for now and while I really like Kuier and Collier they are clearly going to have a period of adjustment that will limit how far Dallas can go. Harris is a player who looks ready to step up, but they will need more from the rest of the young guns to get out of the lottery. It is possible because Ogunbowale and Sabally can win you games any night of the week.
Any Tier 4 team could knock a tier 3 team into the lottery all it would take is an injury or chemistry issue in tier 3 or a tier 4 team coming together quicker and stronger than expected. The Audacity of youth.
tier 5 miss piece, not quite there pieces
Conn- I love Bonner, but it was Bonner and A. Thomas that made last years Conn team go and even though they got to the semis they did so from the 8th or 7th regular season playoff spot. A. Thomas is a huge loss on both ends of the floor the offense and defense was built around her. J. Jones is a great talent but might not be there enough, hasn't built chemistry with this squad and has had both all-star and under performing seasons the last couple of time she was in the W. January and J. Thomas would be great in a role like Prince in Seattle or Augustus in LA but they are the starters and needed for a lot on both ends of the floor. B. Jones had one really good season as a big minutes starter in the post and was a good compliment to A. Thomas if she has the same kind of chemistry with Jonquel things aren't so bad but who knows. Carrington and Charles are the x-factor IMO if they get decnet minutes and perform Conn can still get some wins, but that is a lot to ask from a rookie and a sophomore who both ended up in the late 2nd round of their drafts.
Indy- McCowan, K. Mitchell, T. Mitchell are decent but have yet to get the fever out of the bottom. Cox needs to step up, Breland and Lavender are good re-enforcements up front but will also knock out some developmental minutes. Their draft and trades didn't really seem to add anything to move the needle so Indy will have to count on a lot of internal growth to get anywhere than the bottom. |
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ESPN Rankings as of 5/31/2021
1. Connecticut Sun (Olympics break may save them from burning out)
2. Seattle Storm (Surprisingly resilient)
3. Las Vegas Aces (Still working through team chemistry)
4. New York Liberty (Are they really this good or will they end up helping MIN out of the cellar?)
5. Atlanta Dream (Clicking on all cylinders despite no Parker yet)
6. Phoenix Mercury (Seem pretty stable even without Taurasi)
7. Chicago Sky (Should be better once Parker and Dolson get back)
8. Washington Mystics (Should improve once Delle Donne & Meesseman return)
9. Los Angeles Sparks (Not sure what to think here. Vadeeva & Chiney coming back?)
10. Dallas Wings (Not at the the very bottom despite missing Sabally & AGray)
11. Minnesota Lynx (IND lottery pick)
12. Indiana Fever (IND lottery pick)
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ESPN Rankings as of 5/31/2021
1. Connecticut Sun (Olympics break may save them from burning out)
2. Seattle Storm (Surprisingly resilient)
3. Las Vegas Aces (Still working through team chemistry)
4. New York Liberty (Are they really this good or will they end up helping MIN out of the cellar?)
5. Atlanta Dream (Clicking on all cylinders despite no Parker yet)
6. Phoenix Mercury (Seem pretty stable even without Taurasi)
7. Chicago Sky (Should be better once Parker and Dolson get back)
8. Washington Mystics (Should improve once Delle Donne & Meesseman return)
9. Los Angeles Sparks (Not sure what to think here. Vadeeva & Chiney coming back?)
10. Dallas Wings (Not at the the very bottom despite missing Sabally & AGray)
11. Minnesota Lynx (IND lottery pick)
12. Indiana Fever (IND lottery pick) |
Chicago is a lottery pick.
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