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Hope everyone is having a good holiday season! I've had some extra time, so here are some mid-ish-season stats on some of the most talked-about college prospects this season. Everyone's points average, rebounds average, and ATO is listed, as well as additional stats to add further context. Organized by positional group primarily from 5 to 1, and then PPG average secondarily from highest to lowest, if that makes sense. All stats courtesy of HerHoopStats. (Why yes I am excited to renew my subscription on New Years, thx for asking!) I'm sure someone will let me know if I messed up anyone or missed anyone important – or if I have someone surprising listed, no doubt...
NOTABLE DRAFT-ELIGIBLE PLAYERS:
Ayoka Lee, C, Kansas State: 23.8 PPG on 57.0% FG & 73.1% FT on 5.6 FTA/G, 11.1 RPG (3.4 ORPG), 0.5 AST to 0.9 TO, 1.3 SPG, 4.0 BPG
Elissa Cunane, C, NC State: 13.5 PPG on 52.1% FG (37.5% 3PT on 0.6 3PTA/G) & 82.1% FT on 4.3 FTA/G, 7.8 RPG (2.1 ORPG), 1.2 AST to 1.7 TO, 0.6 BPG
Shakira Austin, C, Ole Miss: 13.2 PPG on 46.7% FG & 67.7% FT on 5.0 FTA/G, 8.6 RPG (2.2 ORPG), 1.8 AST to 2.6 TO, 1.8 SPG, 2.0 BPG
Sedona Prince, C, Oregon: 11.8 PPG on 55.7% FG & 66.7% FT on 3.0 FTA/G, 5.1 RPG (1.3 ORPG), 1.6 AST to 1.2 TO, 1.4 BPG
Nyara Sabally, F/C, Oregon: 16.7 PPG on 50.0% FG (50.0% 3PT on 1.3 3PTA/G) & 83.3% FT on 4.0 FTA/G, 6.7 RPG (2.3 ORPG), 2.3 AST to 1.7 TO, 1.3 SPG, 1.3 BPG
*3 games played thus far, including most recent one
Olivia Nelson-Ododa, F/C, UConn: 8.6 PPG on 56.9% FG & 68.8% FT on 1.8 FTA/G, 7.4 RPG (1.9 ORPG), 3.3 AST to 2.6 TO, 1.0 SPG, 1.9 BPG
Lorela Cubaj, F/C, Georgia Tech: 8.4 PPG on 39.3% FG (12.5% 3PT on 0.7 3PTA/G) & 50.0% FT on 2.7 FTA/G, 12.6 RPG (2.8 ORPG), 4.8 AST to 1.5 TO, 1.6 SPG, 1.7 BPG
NaLyssa Smith, F, Baylor: 20.5 PPG on 56.8% FG (33.3% 3PT on 1.1 3PTA/G) & 75.7% FT on 6.4 FTA/G, 13.3 RPG (3.6 ORPG), 1.0 AST to 3.0 TO, 1.3 BPG
Naz Hillmon, F, Michigan: 20.2 PPG on 56.3% FG & 69.8% FT on 5.7 FTA/G, 8.6 RPG (3.8 ORPG), 2.2 AST to 3.5 TO, 1.1 SPG, 0.4 BPG
Mya Hollingshed, F, Colorado: 14.7 PPG on 48.1% FG (44.2% 3PT on 3.9 3PTA/G) & 73.1% FT on 2.4 FTA/G, 6.5 RPG (1.2 ORPG), 1.8 AST to 2.3 TO, 1.5 SPG, 1.2 BPG
Kierstan Bell, F/G, FGCU: 26.8 PPG on 50.0% FG (27.5% 3PT on 8.9 3PTA/G) & 64.3% FT on 4.7 FTA/G, 9.1 RPG (1.0 ORPG), 2.2 AST to 2.4 TO, 1.4 SPG, 1.6 BPG
Ashley Joens, F/G, Iowa State: 19.9 PPG on 38.5% FG (36.3% 3PT on 7.6 3PTA/G) & 86.2% FT on 5.4 FTA/G, 9.5 RPG (2.7 ORPG), 2.4 AST to 1.6 TO, 0.7 SPG
Rhyne Howard, F/G, Kentucky: 18.7 PPG on 45.7% FG (33.3% 3PT on 5.4 3PTA/G) & 77.4% FT on 5.3 FTA/G, 6.5 RPG (1.8 ORPG), 4.1 AST to 1.9 TO, 3.3 SPG, 1.1 BPG
Lexie Hull, F/G, Stanford: 10.5 PPG on 40.9% FG (41.7% 3PT on 3.3 3PTA/G) & 55.0% FT on 1.8 FTA/G, 6.4 RPG (2.5 ORPG), 2.2 AST to 1.8 TO, 2.4 SPG
Emily Engstler, F/G, Louisville: 9.9 PPG on 47.9% FG (52.2% 3PT on 2.1 3PTA/G) & 58.3% FT on 1.1 FTA/G, 8.8 RPG (1.8 ORPG), 1.4 AST to 2.7 TO, 2.5 SPG, 1.7 BPG
Nia Clouden, G, Michigan State: 21.8 PPG on 48.9% FG (40.0% 3PT on 3.8 3PTA/G) & 90.8% FT on 7.5 FTA/G, 4.3 RPG, 4.4 AST to 3.1 TO, 1.3 SPG, 0.8 BPG
Taylor Robertson, G, Oklahoma: 19.8 PPG on 49.6% FG (48.7% 3PT on 10.3 3PTA/G) & 92.1% FT on 3.5 FTA/G, 4.3 RPG, 3.5 AST to 1.5 TO, 1.0 SPG
Christyn Williams, G, UConn: 13.8 PPG on 43.2% FG (30.0% 3PT on 3.3 3PTA/G) & 73.1% FT on 2.9 FTA/G, 2.8 RPG, 2.6 AST to 2.2 TO, 0.7 SPG
Evina Westbrook, G, UConn: 10.1 PPG on 38.7% FG (30.3% 3PT on 3.7 3PTA/G) & 74.2% FT on 3.4 FTA/G, 4.0 RPG, 3.9 AST to 2.3 TO, 1.4 SPG
Veronica Burton, PG, Northwestern: 17.6 PPG on 41.7% FG (35.8% 3PT on 4.4 3PTA/G) & 91.1% FT on 6.6 FTA/G, 5.3 RPG (1.3 ORPG), 5.9 AST to 2.1 TO, 3.7 SPG, 1.3 BPG
Khayla Pointer, PG, LSU: 17.3 PPG on 46.3% FG (34.3% 3PT on 2.9 3PTA/G) & 58.9% FT on 4.7 FTA/G, 6.7 RPG (1.8 ORPG), 5.0 AST to 2.6 TO, 1.3 SPG
Destanni Henderson, PG, South Carolina: 12.8 PPG on 50.6% FG (46.7% 3PT on 3.3 3PTA/G) & 73.9% FT on 2.6 FTA/G, 3.2 RPG, 4.8 AST to 2.3 TO, 2.3 SPG |
Are you going to do a mock draft?
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| Posted: 12/29/21 12:45 am ::: |
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Would be Catchings/Fever like to take Aubrey Joens at 2  |
I'm half-expecting the Fever to take the wrong Boston sister (I think Aliyah's older sister played at the junior college level). |
She's actually playing again, at the NAIA level:
https://tunighthawks.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster/alexis-boston/2606
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| Posted: 12/30/21 7:10 pm ::: |
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Anybody have Tamari Keys DOB?
Edit : NVM July 11 , 2001 dammnit !
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Ayoka Lee had a big game in the win against Baylor: 32 points and 10 rebounds despite playing only 27 minutes. Nalyssa Smith had 12 points, 7 rebounds. I didn't watch the game, but in the highlights I saw, Smith struggled defending against Lee.
Does anyone know if Lee's leg brace is ever coming off? She's slow and stiff and the brace is likely a factor. It's hard to say how much because some players wear a brace and move pretty well. Ayoka's brace covers a lot of her leg. It would make a big difference in her pro potential if she were a little bit more mobile. Lee consistently puts up good numbers. Maybe even a less cumbersome brace would help.
Edit: So, I found more video on Lee, including highlights from her freshman season. She doesn't seem a whole lot faster without the brace, but she does look more flexible. After watching additional recent footage, Lee doesn't look that bad moving laterally even with the brace. That's a positive sign. Slow forward speed and decent lateral quickness is a weird combination. I've seen the opposite a lot -- players who could run well north-south but struggle laterally. Lee sort of plods running up court, but she moves her feet well (relative to size) when trying to stay in front of people. That allows her to provide help and be much more useful playing team defense. So, I'm beginning to like Lee a lot more.
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| According to Khristina Williams' Twitter, Sika Kone will enter the 2022 draft.
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| According to Khristina Williams' Twitter, Sika Kone will enter the 2022 draft. |
Do foreign players even have a choice? I thought they automatically become eligible in the year a player turns 20, assuming she has no US college experience. Of course, players can always discourage teams by saying they're not interested.
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| Posted: 01/03/22 11:41 pm ::: |
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| According to Khristina Williams' Twitter, Sika Kone will enter the 2022 draft. |
Do foreign players even have a choice? I thought they automatically become eligible in the year a player turns 20, assuming she has no US college experience. Of course, players can always discourage teams by saying they're not interested. |
Maybe it's more so just letting it be known she will play where ever she is drafted to. Over the years a few foreign players have made it known publicly they want to play in the WNBA and will play where they are drafted.
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| Posted: 01/04/22 12:06 am ::: |
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| Do foreign players even have a choice? |
Nope. I tried to clarify on twitter given the number of people that were left confused. If you were born and live outside the US, and haven't been part of the US college system (or declared that you're about to be), you're just available to be drafted in the year that you turn 20. So Kone was eligible this year whether she wanted to be or not.
Given the number of people that talked about her 'entering' the 2022 draft on social media today, I figure her agent has been calling around in the last day or two to make sure her name is being discussed. |
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| Posted: 01/04/22 12:11 am ::: |
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| According to Khristina Williams' Twitter, Sika Kone will enter the 2022 draft. |
Do foreign players even have a choice? I thought they automatically become eligible in the year a player turns 20, assuming she has no US college experience. Of course, players can always discourage teams by saying they're not interested. |
Maybe it's more so just letting it be known she will play where ever she is drafted to. Over the years a few foreign players have made it known publicly they want to play in the WNBA and will play where they are drafted. |
Yeah, this feels like an agency thing to build some hype for her even though I am sure that the teams themselves were already aware.
Assuming Megdal actually received a message and was not just dramatically composing a tweet, I wish we could troll him by sending him a ton of emails of declarations for players who are automatically available in the draft.
I almost want to do something similar on the site Twitter citing sources. I would start with Anna Makurat, but Muffet McGraw probably would not approve. |
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Is the question about her status because she took classes at UCLA or is it just the fact that she signed with UCLA?
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Is the question about her status because she took classes at UCLA or is it just the fact that she signed with UCLA? |
Signing is not enough or Jade Melbourne would also be ineligible. The question of her status is in regard to being enrolled in classes. As mentioned in the article, Mo checked with people and the position is that given the unusual circumstances for both Potter and Izzy Anstey had she opted to turn pro, that they would be allowed to retain international status barring objections. I can't imagine that the union would be all that interested in being an obstacle there, but I suppose that it would still be possible. I am not sure if Potter is really draft-worthy at this point, but there could be an effect later if she is not picked and someone wants to sign her later. |
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Ayoka Lee had a big game in the win against Baylor: 32 points and 10 rebounds despite playing only 27 minutes. Nalyssa Smith had 12 points, 7 rebounds. I didn't watch the game, but in the highlights I saw, Smith struggled defending against Lee.
Does anyone know if Lee's leg brace is ever coming off? She's slow and stiff and the brace is likely a factor. It's hard to say how much because some players wear a brace and move pretty well. Ayoka's brace covers a lot of her leg. It would make a big difference in her pro potential if she were a little bit more mobile. Lee consistently puts up good numbers. Maybe even a less cumbersome brace would help.
Edit: So, I found more video on Lee, including highlights from her freshman season. She doesn't seem a whole lot faster without the brace, but she does look more flexible. After watching additional recent footage, Lee doesn't look that bad moving laterally even with the brace. That's a positive sign. Slow forward speed and decent lateral quickness is a weird combination. I've seen the opposite a lot -- players who could run well north-south but struggle laterally. Lee sort of plods running up court, but she moves her feet well (relative to size) when trying to stay in front of people. That allows her to provide help and be much more useful playing team defense. So, I'm beginning to like Lee a lot more. |
Since her freshmen year, the two people that kind of come to mind when I see her play are Jayne Appel and Nicole Ohlde(might just be the jersey). Great college player whose limitations are going to let her be a decent role player a the next level, with maybe a good year or two thrown in there.
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| I wondered about Appel too as a comparison for Lee, but in the current WNBA I wonder if that gets you more to Gustafson or maybe Alarie, both of whom have had stuttering WNBA careers at best so far. On the couple of higlight reels I saw it looks like Lee has a nice soft touch around the hoop, but athleticism and mobility is really highlighted/exploited at WNBA level. Just have to be able to move. |
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Since her freshmen year, the two people that kind of come to mind when I see her play are Jayne Appel and Nicole Ohlde(might just be the jersey). Great college player whose limitations are going to let her be a decent role player a the next level, with maybe a good year or two thrown in there. |
I remember Ohlde as a pro player, but I wasn't watching college ball at that point. Appel got in shape and had a terrific year as a junior. Her stats were only slightly better than the season before, but she ran the floor so much better and looked greatly improved. Then, in her senior season, she played with injuries and sort of fell back into being slowish. I never understood what happened to Appel as a pro. In college, she was an excellent low post scorer. Jayne had good footwork and was great at creating extra shooting angles by using the glass. I thought that would really give her an advantage when transitioning to the WNBA. Instead, Appel never seemed to want to go inside and in general was reluctant to shoot.
Changing topics, do you have an opinion of Madi Williams of Oklahoma? She's a decent-sized wing at 5-11, seems to be a good athlete, and puts up solid numbers. She averaged 20 ppg last season and is currently at 18.3 with respectable efficiency. No one talks about her. I guess Williams plays in the shadow of Taylor Robertson. However, when you take into consideration size and athleticism, Madi could be the better prospect. I'm looking for more players to watch because a lot of the preseason favorites to be high draft picks have fallen off in performance. I would say that a number of them are in danger of sliding, but when almost everybody else is also struggling, then there are few candidates to replace them.
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Sabally is playing again and therefore won’t be a deferral unless somebody is predicting she’ll get hurt again at the end of the season. I don’t think I’ve ever recalled a player declaring early entry to the draft and also deferring. Kind of a weird concept. And if she’s that injury prone, who’s salivating to pick her up?
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| If I’m Thibault I’m excercising the thought of trading down or for a Vet in the post for #1. Howard just has not gotten better since her freshmen season. Yes she fills up a stat sheet but that’s not going to be the case in the W. At least from a rebounding stand point. She does not show up for big games ever and plays a little to cool for school imo. Smith , Austin are future All stars imo. Howard could be as well with a coach who can light a fire under her behind , but she needs to be a consistent scorer. Well maybe not for DC idk at this point .
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Why doesn't Que Morrison get into the draft conversation?
I have seen her a few time now and she looks like a player to me. I am not saying first round but she seems to have some potential pro qualities. I would at least think she would be popping up on someones list in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Que seems to have decent stats on a good team that she seems to be the leader of and eye test she seems to have positional size and athleticism.
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| If I’m Thibault I’m excercising the thought of trading down or for a Vet in the post for #1. Howard just has not gotten better since her freshmen season. Yes she fills up a stat sheet but that’s not going to be the case in the W. At least from a rebounding stand point. She does not show up for big games ever and plays a little to cool for school imo. Smith , Austin are future All stars imo. Howard could be as well with a coach who can light a fire under her behind , but she needs to be a consistent scorer. Well maybe not for DC idk at this point . |
Agree on Howard. She's a great player but has seem to level off or reached her pick after her sophomore season.
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| Posted: 01/09/22 9:02 pm ::: |
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Why doesn't Que Morrison get into the draft conversation?
I have seen her a few time now and she looks like a player to me. I am not saying first round but she seems to have some potential pro qualities. I would at least think she would be popping up on someones list in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Que seems to have decent stats on a good team that she seems to be the leader of and eye test she seems to have positional size and athleticism. |
Yes, Que is stable & consistent. Plus, you're getting a 5 yr player since she went back to GA for her covid year. I would love to see her drafted and make a team. I think she'd be good on the Dream.
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