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PostPosted: 04/15/21 10:21 pm    ::: 2022 WNBA Mock Draft Reply Reply with quote

My personal Top 3

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Notable draft eligible underclassmen
Kierstan Bell, Florida Gulf Coast
Ayoka Lee, Kansas State
Sedona Prince, Oregon
Nyara Sabally, Oregon
Jacy Sheldon, Ohio St
Maddy Siegrist, Villanova

Declared or appear to be declaring
Appear to be returning to college

International players
Sika Kone - 6’3 F, Mali


Trades involving 2022 draft picks
(1) 2/05/2021 - MIN received WAS 3rd rd pick in Erica McCall pick.📰
(2) 2/09/2021 - DAL received CHI 2nd rd pick in 2021 2nd rd pick (#16) trade.📰
(3) 2/10/2021 - NYL received PHX 1st rd pick in Kiah Nurse & Megan Walker trade.📰
(4) 2/10/2021 - SEA received PHX 1st rd pick (from NYL) in Natasha Howard trade.📰
(5) 2/10/2021 - SEA received NYL 2nd rd pick in Natasha Howard trade.📰
(6) 2/10/2021 - MIN received PHX 1st rd pick in Mikiah Herbert Harrigan trade.📰
(7) 2/10/2021 - SEA received DAL 2nd rd pick in Katie Lou Samuelson trade.📰
(8) 2/13/2021 - PHX received ATL 3rd rd pick in Yvonne Turner trade.📰
(9) 2/15/2021 - IND received MIN 1st rd pick in Odyssey Sims & Temi Fagbenle trade.📰
(10) 2/15/2021 - IND received MIN 3rd rd pick in Odyssey Sims & Temi Fagbenle trade.📰
(11) 2/15/2021 - MIN received IND 2nd rd pick in Odyssey Sims & Temi Fagbenle trade.📰
(12) 4/14/2021 - DAL received LAS 1st rd pick in 2021 #7 pick trade.📰
(13) 4/14/2021 - LAS received DAL 2nd rd pick in 2021 #7 pick trade.📰
(14) 5/12/2021 - LAS received WAS 2nd rd pick in Sydney Wiese trade.📰
(15) 6/02/2021 - DAL received CHI 3rd rd pick in Dana Evans trade.📰
(16) 6/02/2021 - DAL received right to swap 1st rd picks w/CHI in Dana Evans trade.📰
(17) 2/03/2022 - LAS received SEA 1st rd pick (#9) in Gabby Williams trade.
(18) 2/03/2022 - IND received CHI 1st rd pick (#7) in Julie Allemand trade.
(19) 2/03/2022 - IND received PHX 2nd rd pick (#20) in Bria Hartley pick.
(20) 2/05/2022 - ATL received LAS 2nd rd pick (#15) in Chennedy Carter and Li Yueru trade.
(21) 3/08/2022 - IND received DAL 1st rd pick (#4) in Teaira McCowan trade.
(22) 3/08/2022 - IND received DAL 1st rd pick (#6) in Teaira McCowan trade.
(23) 3/08/2022 - DAL received IND 1st rd pick (#7) in Teaira McCowan trade.
(24) 4/06/2022 - ATL received WAS 1st rd pick (#1) in trade for #3 and #14 picks.
(25) 4/06/2022 - WAS received ATL first rd pick (#3) in trade for WAS first rd pick (#1).
(26) 4/06/2022 - WAS received ATL second rd pick (#14) in trade for WAS first rd pick (#1).
(27) 4/10/2022 - LVA received MIN first rd pick (#8) in trade for LVA 2023 first rd pick.
(28) 4/10/2022 - LVA received MIN second rd pick (#13) in trade for LVA 2023 second rd pick.

Lottery odds for first 4 picks
Code:
Team     1st    2nd    3rd    4th
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IND      44.20  31.55  24.25   0.00
ATL      27.60  31.05  31.80   9.55
WAS      17.80  22.95  43.95  15.30
LAS      10.40  14.45   0.00  75.15



2022 Draft Order
1. WAS > ATL (24)
2. IND
3. ATL > WAS (25)
4. LAS > DAL (12) > IND (21)
5. NYL
6. DAL > IND (22)
7. CHI > IND (18) > DAL (23)
8. PHX > NYL (3) > SEA (4) > MIN (6) > LVA (27)
9. SEA > LAS (17)
10. MIN > IND (9)
11. LVA
12. CON
13. IND > MIN (11) > LVA (28)
14. ATL > WAS (26)
15. LAS > ATL (20)
16. WAS > LAS (14)
17. NYL > SEA (5)
18. DAL > SEA (7)
19. CHI > DAL (2) > LAS (13)
20. PHX > IND (19)
21. SEA
22. MIN
23. LVA
24. CON
25. IND
26. ATL > PHX (8)
27. LAS
28. WAS > MIN (1)
29. NYL
30. DAL
31. CHI > DAL (15)
32. PHX
33. SEA
34. MIN > IND (10)
35. LVA
36. CON



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PostPosted: 04/15/21 10:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Granted, I don't know much about the WNBA yet, and I love the player I'm about to question, but ...

I don't see how Naz makes it given her lack of size and versatility. From those two vantage points she seems, to me, even more poorly suited to the league than Gustafson.


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PostPosted: 04/15/21 10:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Don't take seriously just playing around

1. Indy Howard
2. Dallas Smith
3. Conn Cunane
4. Atl Hillmon
5. NY Austin
6. Minn (via PX) Prince
7. Dallas (via LA) Carter
8. Seattle Joens
9. Chi Burrell
10. Wash Hull
11. Minn Westbrook
12. LV Egbo


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PostPosted: 04/15/21 10:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howard #1 for sure.




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PostPosted: 04/15/21 11:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Who are potential early entrants?


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PostPosted: 04/16/21 12:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

blaase22 wrote:
Who are potential early entrants?


Can we please not?



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PostPosted: 04/16/21 12:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

undersized_post wrote:
I don't see how Naz makes it given her lack of size and versatility. From those two vantage points she seems, to me, even more poorly suited to the league than Gustafson.


You're not wrong, versatility is a premium in the W. For the same reasons I'm inclined to think that NaLyssa Smith might also be a bit overrated at this point. Austin, Cunane and Joens all have wider skill-sets and more long-term potential, IMO.

Here's my Top 12 regardless of draft order:
1. Rhyne Howard
2. Shakira Austin
3. Elissa Cunane
4. Ashley Joens
5. NaLyssa Smith
6. Rae Burrell
7. Lexie Hull
8. Christyn Williams
9. Jessika Carter
10. Evina Westbrook
11. Dorka Juhasz
12. Naz Hillmon
*13. Veronica Burton



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PostPosted: 04/16/21 1:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PickledGinger wrote:
undersized_post wrote:
I don't see how Naz makes it given her lack of size and versatility. From those two vantage points she seems, to me, even more poorly suited to the league than Gustafson.


You're not wrong, versatility is a premium in the W. For the same reasons I'm inclined to think that NaLyssa Smith might also be a bit overrated at this point. Austin, Cunane and Joens all have wider skill-sets and more long-term potential, IMO.

Here's my Top 12 regardless of draft order:
1. Rhyne Howard
2. Shakira Austin
3. Elissa Cunane
4. Ashley Joens
5. NaLyssa Smith
6. Rae Burrell
7. Lexie Hull
8. Jessika Carter
9. Evina Westbrook
10. Dorka Juhasz
11. Naz Hillmon
12. Veronica Burton


Re: C/PFs -- I see you also have Juhasz and Carter higher than Hillmon on your list. (I don't disagree).

No love for Christyn Williams or Olivia Nelson-Ododa? Also, do you think Grace Berger stands a chance if she can develop an outside shot? (I know that's a big 'if.')


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Re: C/PFs -- I see you also have Juhasz and Carter higher than Hillmon on your list. (I don't disagree).

No love for Christyn Williams or Olivia Nelson-Ododa? Also, do you think Grace Berger stands a chance if she can develop an outside shot? (I know that's a big 'if.')


Oops...edited her out accidentally. It's been corrected. Ododa is way too soft to last in the W, tho. Berger was actually the last player cut. Burton's combination of defense and shooting gave her a very slight edge; but despite the lack of an outside shot - which she absolutely has the mid-range form to improve upon - Berger's all-around game gives me some Katie Douglas vibes.



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PostPosted: 04/16/21 3:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

blaase22 wrote:
Who are potential early entrants?


Ayoka Lee, Sedona Prince, and Nyara Sabally are who I’ve spotted so far. Haven’t found the birthdate for Ashley Owusu yet. She’d be a big one for me.

My eagle eye spotted something about Sabally.
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PostPosted: 04/16/21 7:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Destiny Henderson out of SC will be in the 1st round



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PostPosted: 04/16/21 7:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PickledGinger wrote:
undersized_post wrote:
Re: C/PFs -- I see you also have Juhasz and Carter higher than Hillmon on your list. (I don't disagree).

No love for Christyn Williams or Olivia Nelson-Ododa? Also, do you think Grace Berger stands a chance if she can develop an outside shot? (I know that's a big 'if.')


Oops...edited her out accidentally. It's been corrected. Ododa is way too soft to last in the W, tho. Berger was actually the last player cut. Burton's combination of defense and shooting gave her a very slight edge; but despite the lack of an outside shot - which she absolutely has the mid-range form to improve upon - Berger's all-around game gives me some Katie Douglas vibes.


I'm a UCONN homer, but I actually think Christyn will be a much better pro than a college player, especially if she develops a more consistent jump shot over the course of the next year. I do agree with you on ONO, however. I think she might be a 3rd round pick, maybe.


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PostPosted: 04/16/21 7:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PickledGinger wrote:
undersized_post wrote:
I don't see how Naz makes it given her lack of size and versatility. From those two vantage points she seems, to me, even more poorly suited to the league than Gustafson.


You're not wrong, versatility is a premium in the W. For the same reasons I'm inclined to think that NaLyssa Smith might also be a bit overrated at this point. Austin, Cunane and Joens all have wider skill-sets and more long-term potential, IMO.

Here's my Top 12 regardless of draft order:
1. Rhyne Howard
2. Shakira Austin
3. Elissa Cunane
4. Ashley Joens
5. NaLyssa Smith
6. Rae Burrell
7. Lexie Hull
8. Christyn Williams
9. Jessika Carter
10. Evina Westbrook
11. Dorka Juhasz
12. Naz Hillmon
*13. Veronica Burton


On Rhyne Howard-she clearly has talent. But her body language, on court demeanor, and attitude are a bit of a red flag to me. For lack of a better word, she seems like a brat.


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PostPosted: 04/16/21 9:03 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Milks26 wrote:
Destiny Henderson out of SC will be in the 1st round


Was it the 12.2 ppg this season for you?
Guirantes was at 21.3 ppg this season.



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Shades wrote:
Milks26 wrote:
Destiny Henderson out of SC will be in the 1st round


Was it the 12.2 ppg this season for you?
Guirantes was at 21.3 ppg this season.


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PostPosted: 04/16/21 11:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Would Kierstan Bell with a birthday of March 16, 2000 be eligible?


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Would Kierstan Bell with a birthday of March 16, 2000 be eligible?


She’s the reigning Becky Hammon Mid-major Player of the Year. Gotta add her to the list.



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PostPosted: 04/17/21 4:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The top 15 2022 WNBA Draft prospects, from Rhyne Howard to Cate Reese

The Athletic’s early take by Lyndsey D'Arcangelo Apr 16, 2021

These are my comments. Go to the link for her comments and stats of the players.

1. Rhyne Howard, Kentucky
6-2 | Guard

Potential to be one of the best ever. Just needs Maya’s competitive heart.


2. Naz Hillmon, Michigan
6-2 | Forward

She has Maya’s competitive heart. Also has Maya’s strong pro build. A three point shot would be nice.


3. NaLyssa Smith, Baylor
6-2 | Forward

She really stepped during the second half of this season. If she can keep that momentum going throughout next season, that should be her ticket to the lottery.


4. Elissa Cunane, NC State
6-5 | Center

She can hit the three, but she’s very low volume. Not the strongest rebounder for size. Only about a block per game. I’d put her in the bottom half of first for now.


5. Ashley Joens, Iowa State
6-0 | Forward

Comes from the same school that Bridget Carleton went to and similar games. They both won the Cheryl Miller award for best SF in the nation, except Joens win as a junior. I noticed she likes to post up players, but her dribble is slow and high. I don’t think that’ll fly at the next level. Bottom half first round.


6. Christyn Williams, UConn
5-11 | Guard

UConn could be the best team next year, so Williams will benefit from that hype. I don’t think her minutes will be hurt with the addition of Fudd. Wouldn’t be surprised if she’s the first guard taken in this draft. 5-11? No way.


7. Anastasia Hayes, Mississippi State
5-7 | Guard

I’m not a fan of small guards in general, but I liked what I saw when MTSU played Tennessee. High energy player similar to McDonald. We’ll see what happens when she plays for Mississippi St.


8. Rae Burrell, Tennessee
6-1 | Guard/Forward

Pretty sure this was her first year as a starter, so I’m tempering my expectations next season. Keeping her out of the first round until she proves otherwise.


9. Jessika Carter, Mississippi State
6-5 | Forward/Center

I didn’t watch a lot of Mississippi St. They had a disappointing season. Might watch them more now that Hayes is on the same team.


10. Olivia Nelson-Ododa, UConn
6-5 | Forward

Before this season, I thought maybe she’d be top half of this draft, but really needs to step up for that to happen.


11. Destanni Henderson, South Carolina
5-7 | Guard

Getting kinda of tired of small guards. If Evans goes second round in 2021, I’m putting Henderson in the second in this one.


12. Queen Egbo, Baylor
6-3 | Center

She’s another Baylor player that stepped up when Baylor needed her. I like her in the first round for now.

13. Lexie Hull, Stanford
6-0 | Guard

I like her as a possible WNBA player if she takes advantage of an opening. How about you, Myrtle? Maybe she’ll be the go-to guard with Williams gone.

14. Evina Westbrook, UConn
6-0 | Guard

I thought she could have been close to a first round pick in this year’s draft. Now everything rides on where she fits in with UConn with Fudd there.

15. Cate Reese, Arizona
6-2 | Forward

Don’t know much about her. I’ll keep an eye on her... maybe.


Leaving Shakira Austin off the list is a huge oversight. I tentatively place her at #4 in this draft.

I’m curious if Staiti will up her game next season.


Wouldn’t be a bad time to add a couple teams before the 2022 season, but not sure how realistic that would be.



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13. Lexie Hull, Stanford
6-0 | Guard

I like her as a possible WNBA player if she takes advantage of an opening. How about you, Myrtle? Maybe she’ll be the go-to guard with Williams gone.


Next year, for better or worse, it will likely be Haley Jones' team. Lexie will continue to do what she does. She is a really strong two way wing. She's big and strong, she can score in a variety of ways, is smart and very team-oriented and she defends really well. Her ball handling is not her best asset so she wouldn't become a PG. Of course I'm prejudiced, but would definitely be surprised if she went this low, even in a strong draft.

PS the link is a pay for article so not generally accessible so I don't know what they had to say about her.


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PostPosted: 04/17/21 5:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As the saying goes, it's not you, it's me ...

Once again, I am underwhelmed by the talent in the draft. It's better than this year, but that's a pretty low bar. (If Cate Reese is even being considered for the first round, that's a big red flag. Nice college post ...)



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I've been wondering if Mya Hollingshed could go in the first round potentially.


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I've been wondering if Mya Hollingshed could go in the first round potentially.


Nobody had her in the first round this year if she declared, so she’d have to have a killer season. Not seeing it.



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myrtle wrote:
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13. Lexie Hull, Stanford
6-0 | Guard

I like her as a possible WNBA player if she takes advantage of an opening. How about you, Myrtle? Maybe she’ll be the go-to guard with Williams gone.


Next year, for better or worse, it will likely be Haley Jones' team. Lexie will continue to do what she does. She is a really strong two way wing. She's big and strong, she can score in a variety of ways, is smart and very team-oriented and she defends really well. Her ball handling is not her best asset so she wouldn't become a PG. Of course I'm prejudiced, but would definitely be surprised if she went this low, even in a strong draft.


I see Hull as the next 2-3 tweener iteration of Karlie Samuelson – albeit more well-rounded as a player than her: not physical/strong enough to play & guard the 3, not a good enough ballhandler nor quick enough defensively to play & guard the 2. Not to mention: she didn't even shoot 40% from the field this season. She'll have to step herself up a lot in the next season if she wants to get drafted in a good position. Kiana Williams' skill set will translate much better than Lexie Hull's – and in a Draft that'll have been weaker than the next one, Williams still only got picked in the middle of the 2nd round.


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PostPosted: 04/18/21 11:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As for Lexie Hull, all she does is win ...

She was the key player on her high school team (Central Valley WA) that came out of nowhere to beat much more highly touted teams in the GEICO event, and wound up No. 1 in the nation.

And now with Stanford ...

Is she the perfect player? No, but someone who defend anywhere on the perimeter, has a high basketball IQ, can make open threes and rises to the challenge in big moments might find a home in someone's rotation.



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