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PostPosted: 04/14/21 1:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

My Final Go:

1. Dallas - Charli Collier
2. Dallas - Awak Kuier
3. Atlanta - Rennia Davis
4. Indiana - Arella Guirantes
5. Dallas - Aari McDonald
6. New York - Natasha Mack
7. Dallas - Chelsea Dungee (would have to beat out one of Jefferson, Mabrey or Thornton...could still get traded.)
8. Chicago - Dana Evans
9. Minnesota - Jasmine Walker
10. Los Angeles - Michaela Onyenwere
11. Seattle - Kiana Williams
12. Las Vegas - DiJonai Carrington



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PostPosted: 04/14/21 2:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Onyenwere over Walker all day everyday.


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 2:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I’d rather draft a deferral than take Walker at 9


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 2:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

At the risk of beating a dead horse, man this draft is Sad Shocked


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 2:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

No draft class is top notch every year. This year will be average. 2022 will be straight - with 2023 even straighter.


1. Kuier

2 Davis (Davis won't make it to 5)

5 Mack

7 Dungee or McDonald



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PostPosted: 04/14/21 3:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I have thought about Davis at 2 as well

It would be a different look for Dallas but with Sabally and Thorton both able to play the 4 The Wings could go big Wing with Davis and still get two posts and a guard in their first four picks

As a NY fan I am still confused about what I want to happen
ATM my feeling is Walker is the likely pick I would be Ok with that
(I like both Walker and Mack but neither excite as much as some of the other players in the draft, but NY's biggest need is post and those seem like the realistic options)

options
1.Collier or Kuier fall to number 6 seems very unlikely but not impossible This is my hope NY can wait on their development

2. Davis falls to 6 also seems very unlikely but Davis could be a PF in the Liberty system and has a higher ceiling IMO than some of our other options

3. Mack vs Walker If we go post at 6 these are the two most likely to be there Walker's long range shooting make her more of a fit with the new Liberty but Mack is a better defender, rebounder and rim protector which the Liberty need (and probably better player in general) but she doesn't seem like a good fit with the Liberty's new identity. We already have Stokes and the coach is encouraging/forcing her to shoot 3s which seem to fall in practice but not in games would that be Mack's fate as well. OTOH Mack has some similarities to Howard so maybe she can develop along a similar arch (I kind of see more Sanders than Howard in Mack but I am bad at comps).

4. skip the post idea and go with Onyenwere who is probably a little similar but better than our sophomores at the 3/4

5. Target shooting with Dungee or Evans. I could see Evans as a fit both on and off the ball alongside Ionescu, but I feel like that kind of option is what Whitcomb was brought in for.

6. Deferral pick Rupert. Here is the one twist if Durr is kept on the roster with an outside hope that after the Olympics she will be in good enough health and shape to get on the floor and Johannes and Han are suspended for the season and we use the money for R. Allen the Liberty could go without their pick at all this season and still put out a roster (maybe a little small in the post but still viable, and bigger and better than last season).

Ionescu/Clarendon
Jones/Whitcomb/Durr
Laney/Odom
Allen/Willoughby/Shook or Holmes
Howard/Stokes

Add Johannes, Rupert and decent first round pick in 22, give the remaining sophomores more time to show what they can do with better players around them, let Durr work her way back into the rotation later in the season it might be a better plan both long and short-term.


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 4:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Again, Kolb said the whole five out thing is overblown. He and Hopkins supposedly undertook a post-mortem or autopsy -- I can't remember the metaphor -- to figure out what they did right and what they did wrong. They may be refining their ideas. When I selected players for the Liberty fantasy draft, I could have taken the best 3pt shooters available and the results would have looked like this:

6) Walker
17) Goodman
25) Wadoux
29) Salaun

I didn't take any of those players. Walker seems to wilt under pressure. Goodman has questionable athleticism and a shaky handle for a PG. Wadoux seems like a pure 2, and the Liberty are already loaded at SG. The only one I have second thoughts about is Salaun. She is a 6-2 spot-up shooter who has the length and athletic ability to be more than just a 3pt specialist. Since the game I watched was from 2019, maybe she's already added to her skills. But the point is long-range shooting is just one element to consider.

Kolb stated that he isn't necessarily drafting for need, so I'm ready for anything. But being ready doesn't mean I won't still get pissed off after his pick. Laughing



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PostPosted: 04/14/21 4:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bleacher Report Mock
1. Dallas Wings: Charli Collier, C, Texas

2. Dallas Wings: Awak Kuier, PF, Finland

3. Atlanta Dream: Arella Guirantes, SG, Rutgers

4. Indiana Fever: Rennia Davis, SF, Tennessee

5. Dallas Wings: Aari McDonald, PG, Arizona

6. New York Liberty: Dana Evans, PG, Louisville

7. Dallas Wings: Jasmine Walker, PF, Alabama

8. Chicago Sky: Kiana Williams, PG, Stanford

9. Minnesota Lynx: Michaela Onyenwere, SF, UCLA

10. Los Angeles Sparks: Natasha Mack, PF, Oklahoma State

11. Seattle Storm: Chelsea Dungee, SG, Arkansas

12. Las Vegas Aces: DiJonai Carrington, SG, Baylor

The mocks are fairly redundant at top. Probably a lot of copying going on like Reeve says. This one is particularly different at the bottom by having Dungee so low. If Dungee is there at #9, Reeve’s got to take her.



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PostPosted: 04/14/21 4:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Unless he’s just trying to throw people off, it sounds like Bibb is keeping all his draft picks and bringing them all into camp. That might imply that he’s not really looking for deferrals.

So for the 3 players that don’t make the final roster, he could probably make trade deals to better teams (Mystics with no picks?) who don’t want these players to hit the waiver wire.



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PostPosted: 04/14/21 4:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

After reading that coaches' conference call, I see Bibb was quoted as saying he was primarily looking for rebounding. Anyone think there's a chance Dallas takes Collier & Davis at 1 & 2 and hopes Kuier falls to 5? As it is, neither Indiana nor Atlanta really have a need for a super-young post player, and it sounds like Davis will almost certainly be gone by 5.


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 5:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
Again, Kolb said the whole five out thing is overblown. He and Hopkins supposedly undertook a post-mortem or autopsy -- I can't remember the metaphor -- to figure out what they did right and what they did wrong. They may be refining their ideas. When I selected players for the Liberty fantasy draft, I could have taken the best 3pt shooters available and the results would have looked like this:

6) Walker
17) Goodman
25) Wadoux
29) Salaun

I didn't take any of those players. Walker seems to wilt under pressure. Goodman has questionable athleticism and a shaky handle for a PG. Wadoux seems like a pure 2, and the Liberty are already loaded at SG. The only one I have second thoughts about is Salaun. She is a 6-2 spot-up shooter who has the length and athletic ability to be more than just a 3pt specialist. Since the game I watched was from 2019, maybe she's already added to her skills. But the point is long-range shooting is just one element to consider.

Kolb stated that he isn't necessarily drafting for need, so I'm ready for anything. But being ready doesn't mean I won't still get pissed off after his pick. Laughing


NY has room for only one draft pick maybe so 2nd and 3rd round picks seem extra irrelevant this year for us (well pretty much everyone. There seem to be very few competitive roster spots throughout the league this year maybe because of the new CBA with many team choosing to go with only 11 players so they can load up on higher end talent and/or a percieved weaker draft. Unless you get picked up by Conn or maybe Indy it will be hard for any non first round pick to make a team. I can count five first round picks; Dallas's 4th pick one of 5 or 7 will make it but probably not both, NY, Minn, LA and Seattle all have routes they can take to their final rosters that may not include the 1st round pick and in theory would not hurt the overall quality of the team).

As I said I expect it to be Walker or Mack

I am suspect of the "we won't draft for need argument" or rather I believe especially with this draft convincing yourself that someone is the 6th best player won't be hard no matter who it is, so need may creep back into consideration.

If they go away from a post I could definitely see Evans, Guirantes (who I keep assuming is gone by 6) or Onyenwere get a roster spot, but it would be at someone's else's expense (Odom or Willoughby) unless Allen doesn't get picked up which I doubt it as it sounds like she is very much a part of the plan for this season, or Durr gets a medical opt out.

Clearly you prefer Mack as the post option, If they don't go post who do you see as a legit option for NY?


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 6:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Traded #7 to LA for 22 first rounder. I like it!



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PostPosted: 04/14/21 7:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:

NY has room for only one draft pick maybe so 2nd and 3rd round picks seem extra irrelevant this year for us (well pretty much everyone. There seem to be very few competitive roster spots throughout the league this year maybe because of the new CBA with many team choosing to go with only 11 players so they can load up on higher end talent and/or a percieved weaker draft. Unless you get picked up by Conn or maybe Indy it will be hard for any non first round pick to make a team. I can count five first round picks; Dallas's 4th pick one of 5 or 7 will make it but probably not both, NY, Minn, LA and Seattle all have routes they can take to their final rosters that may not include the 1st round pick and in theory would not hurt the overall quality of the team).

As I said I expect it to be Walker or Mack

I am suspect of the "we won't draft for need argument" or rather I believe especially with this draft convincing yourself that someone is the 6th best player won't be hard no matter who it is, so need may creep back into consideration.

If they go away from a post I could definitely see Evans, Guirantes (who I keep assuming is gone by 6) or Onyenwere get a roster spot, but it would be at someone's else's expense (Odom or Willoughby) unless Allen doesn't get picked up which I doubt it as it sounds like she is very much a part of the plan for this season, or Durr gets a medical opt out.

Clearly you prefer Mack as the post option, If they don't go post who do you see as a legit option for NY?


I agree there is probably room for only one rookie on the roster. I was just mentioning all the available picks to make a point about how 3pt shooting is not the only criteria. That said, if management is going to use these picks, they might as well take the process seriously. I still think using a couple on deferrals makes sense.

Who else could NY end up taking other than Mack or Walker? Their aggressive picks from last year -- Jones, Odom, and Willoughby -- did better than skill-player Megan Walker, "too nice" Shook, and enigmatic Holmes. So, I can see them liking McDonald as a backup PG or Onyenwere as a small-ball 4. If you listen to both Vickie Johnson and Marianne Stanley, there's been a lot of talk about a player's "heart" and competitiveness. I sense that's a theme with a lot of teams this year. Most of these players are good athletes, have a decent amount of skill, and likely they are all hard workers. With so much competition, whether or not a player succeeds probably comes down to intangibles. Players who step up in big spots and aggressively try to make things happen usually have an edge.



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PostPosted: 04/14/21 8:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:

Players who step up in big spots and aggressively try to make things happen usually have an edge.


If nothing else, fans will probably be more excited about those kinds of players on draft night, and more forgiving if they turn out to be a bust later on.


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 9:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

root_thing wrote:
J-Spoon wrote:

NY has room for only one draft pick maybe so 2nd and 3rd round picks seem extra irrelevant this year for us (well pretty much everyone. There seem to be very few competitive roster spots throughout the league this year maybe because of the new CBA with many team choosing to go with only 11 players so they can load up on higher end talent and/or a percieved weaker draft. Unless you get picked up by Conn or maybe Indy it will be hard for any non first round pick to make a team. I can count five first round picks; Dallas's 4th pick one of 5 or 7 will make it but probably not both, NY, Minn, LA and Seattle all have routes they can take to their final rosters that may not include the 1st round pick and in theory would not hurt the overall quality of the team).

As I said I expect it to be Walker or Mack

I am suspect of the "we won't draft for need argument" or rather I believe especially with this draft convincing yourself that someone is the 6th best player won't be hard no matter who it is, so need may creep back into consideration.

If they go away from a post I could definitely see Evans, Guirantes (who I keep assuming is gone by 6) or Onyenwere get a roster spot, but it would be at someone's else's expense (Odom or Willoughby) unless Allen doesn't get picked up which I doubt it as it sounds like she is very much a part of the plan for this season, or Durr gets a medical opt out.

Clearly you prefer Mack as the post option, If they don't go post who do you see as a legit option for NY?


I agree there is probably room for only one rookie on the roster. I was just mentioning all the available picks to make a point about how 3pt shooting is not the only criteria. That said, if management is going to use these picks, they might as well take the process seriously. I still think using a couple on deferrals makes sense.

Who else could NY end up taking other than Mack or Walker? Their aggressive picks from last year -- Jones, Odom, and Willoughby -- did better than skill-player Megan Walker, "too nice" Shook, and enigmatic Holmes. So, I can see them liking McDonald as a backup PG or Onyenwere as a small-ball 4. If you listen to both Vickie Johnson and Marianne Stanley, there's been a lot of talk about a player's "heart" and competitiveness. I sense that's a theme with a lot of teams this year. Most of these players are good athletes, have a decent amount of skill, and likely they are all hard workers. With so much competition, whether or not a player succeeds probably comes down to intangibles. Players who step up in big spots and aggressively try to make things happen usually have an edge.


This is kind of exciting going into tomorrow

I thought I knew who we would pick at 6 Walker maybe Mack

but now I really have no idea

my current list of possible picks

Walker, Mack, Evans, Onyenwere, McDonald, Guirantes and I still think there is the slightest possibility that Dallas passes on Collier for some combination of Kuier, Davis, Mack, Dungee, Guirantes or McDonald letting Collier fall, so yeah no idea at this point. I am on board with everyone I have listed and would also be fine going deferral with the idea that Allen gets brought in and maybe Durr is ready to go post Olympics. So yeah tomorrow nothing will surprise me, or bum me out too much. Outside of the Collier falling to 6 idea I am getting more intrigued with the Onyenwere option.


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 10:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CBS Sports updated their mock after the trade.

https://www.cbssports.com/wnba/news/2021-wnba-mock-draft-wings-take-charli-collier-awak-kuier-with-top-two-picks-sky-get-steal-with-dana-evans/

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7. Los Angeles Sparks: Chelsea Dungee -- G, Arkansas
Everyone figured the Wings would make a trade, and they did it before the draft, sending the No. 7 pick and a 2022 second-round pick to the Sparks in exchange for Los Angeles' 2022 first-round pick. So who did the Sparks covet so much they wanted to move up? Interestingly enough, we're going to stick with Dungee here to the Sparks. GM and head coach Derek Fisher talked about wanting players who can make an instant impact, and Dungee's scoring and shooting will be an immediate boost to a team that only took 18.1 3-pointers per game last season.




Well she was spotted on the Jordan boat with Tea Cooper having identical baby hair styles. I can see this happening. They’re maybe a little thin at SG. I’d rather she fell to Minnesota. She can take Banham’s spot.



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PostPosted: 04/14/21 11:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Good to read all the discussions and different opinions. We always know the top players, it's just a matter of the order.

However, almost every Draft has one top pick that sometimes is shocking. Many times, it's the new GM/Coach but not always. So, who will be the shocker and the shockee this year or won't there be one?

Less than 24 hours to find out!


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 11:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RavenDog wrote:
Good to read all the discussions and different opinions. We always know the top players, it's just a matter of the order.

However, almost every Draft has one top pick that sometimes is shocking. Many times, it's the new GM/Coach but not always. So, who will be the shocker and the shockee this year or won't there be one?

Less than 24 hours to find out!


Carrington and K. Williams have worked their way back into the first round after a lot of lower rankings early on.

I could see someone in the 1st round looking for a PG opting for Slocum over the more predicted options.

I have N. Jones and Mangakahia as my could go higher than expected picks (but meaning high 2nd round as opposed to lower, not sure either could break into the first round).

If there is an unexpected falling star it won't be as dramatic as previous years. I don't see any Dangerfield, Mompremier, Charles, Holmes or Russell's (all potential mid first round picks who fell mid second or lower) type of drops.

If early picking teams are worried about McDonald or Evan's size and go with larger guards they could find themselves in the 7-10 range instead of the 4-8 range but both had strong tournaments so they may have prevented that. Onyenwere is the biggest mystery she could have late lottery looks; Indy, Dallas and NY are all viable landing spots, but her being perceived as a tweener without a consistent three point shot could see her fall to 12-15 (Players like Williams, Slocum and Carrington and a deferral pick or two would have to jump her for that to happen IMO) too many player went back to school for a bigger fall the distance in talent from say the top 10 to 12 players to the next tier is pretty big.




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PostPosted: 04/14/21 11:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RavenDog wrote:
Good to read all the discussions and different opinions. We always know the top players, it's just a matter of the order.

However, almost every Draft has one top pick that sometimes is shocking. Many times, it's the new GM/Coach but not always. So, who will be the shocker and the shockee this year or won't there be one?


Thibault doesn’t have have a pick, so that really knocks down the possibility of a surprise.



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I'm sticking with my draft order post-trade. My question is, is Dungee taking Seimone's spot?



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I feel like Indiana will take Dungee at 4, sorry La lol

1. Collier
2 .Kuier
3. Davis
4. Dungee
5. Evans
6. Guirantes
7. Mack
8. McDonald
9. Onyenwere
10. Heal
11. Rupert
12. Gondrezick


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I’ve been thinking Dungee at #4 myself because Catchings has watched her probably more than anybody covering all those Arkansas games. But for some reason Guirantes keeps popping up in the lottery space despite very little hype.



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Sounds like Guirantes would love to go to the Liberty. How we gonna make this happen, Spooner?
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RavenDog wrote:
Good to read all the discussions and different opinions. We always know the top players, it's just a matter of the order.

However, almost every Draft has one top pick that sometimes is shocking. Many times, it's the new GM/Coach but not always. So, who will be the shocker and the shockee this year or won't there be one?

Less than 24 hours to find out!



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