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| Young has actually played a bunch of 3x3 and has the rating necessary (unlike Laney). |
What does "the rating" refer to? |
Not an expert here, but I think you can play in various qualifying tournaments, at which good performances can earn you 'points' that bolster your rating. Two players on every countries four-person 3x3 roster have to be rated in the top 10 of all available players or something like that. I think the rule is intended to reward players who have invested time in 3x3 specifically and also prevent countries who have qualified using a certain group of players from casting them aside in favor of 'better' basketball players who have never actually played 3x3.
I hesitate to post because I certainly have some details wrong here but you can gather the main idea.
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| Posted: 07/19/21 6:07 pm ::: |
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| Young has actually played a bunch of 3x3 and has the rating necessary (unlike Laney). |
What does "the rating" refer to? |
If you go here - https://play.fiba3x3.com/players?show=women - and put United States in as a nationality, you'll get a list. You needed 3,600 points on that list to be eligible for the team (two also had to be in the top ten, but they have that in Plum and Gray).
So they technically had about 60 players to choose from, but a lot of them are people I've never heard of, and I imagine people even most dedicated American women's basketball fans have never heard of. |
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| Posted: 07/19/21 6:16 pm ::: |
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| tfan wrote: |
| Richyyy wrote: |
| Young has actually played a bunch of 3x3 and has the rating necessary (unlike Laney). |
What does "the rating" refer to? |
If you go here - https://play.fiba3x3.com/players?show=women - and put United States in as a nationality, you'll get a list. You needed 3,600 points on that list to be eligible for the team (two also had to be in the top ten, but they have that in Plum and Gray).
So they technically had about 60 players to choose from, but a lot of them are people I've never heard of, and I imagine people even most dedicated American women's basketball fans have never heard of. |
Hmmm. Now you've piqued my interest....do you know any of these obscure names?? I don't doubt you at all, but am curious.
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| Posted: 07/19/21 6:21 pm ::: |
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| Jackie Young IMO is somewhat similar to Gray except Gray has a decent three shot. I guess they can use her to guard the other team's best player so long as she doesn't hoist.
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| Posted: 07/19/21 6:23 pm ::: |
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| tfan wrote: |
| Richyyy wrote: |
| Young has actually played a bunch of 3x3 and has the rating necessary (unlike Laney). |
What does "the rating" refer to? |
If you go here - https://play.fiba3x3.com/players?show=women - and put United States in as a nationality, you'll get a list. You needed 3,600 points on that list to be eligible for the team (two also had to be in the top ten, but they have that in Plum and Gray).
So they technically had about 60 players to choose from, but a lot of them are people I've never heard of, and I imagine people even most dedicated American women's basketball fans have never heard of. |
I tried, but couldn't figure out how to actually get a search list...
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| Posted: 07/19/21 6:23 pm ::: |
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| Jackie Young IMO is somewhat similar to Gray except Gray has a decent three shot. I guess they can use her to guard the other team's best player so long as she doesn't hoist. |
Problem with 3x3 is you pretty much have to switch every screen because there's no help defense.
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| Posted: 07/19/21 6:27 pm ::: |
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| myrtle wrote: |
| Jackie Young IMO is somewhat similar to Gray except Gray has a decent three shot. I guess they can use her to guard the other team's best player so long as she doesn't hoist. |
Problem with 3x3 is you pretty much have to switch every screen because there's no help defense. |
I thought in the 3x3 qualifiers we watched from Europe it looked like Dolson did in fact play some help defense.
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| Posted: 07/19/21 6:34 pm ::: |
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| Young has actually played a bunch of 3x3 and has the rating necessary (unlike Laney). Other viable WNBA names would've been Onyenwere, Ionescu, C.Collier, Alarie, Clarendon. After that it's down to college players like Christyn Williams, players who've had a cup of coffee in the WNBA like Linnae Harper or Cierra Burdick, and a load of people I've never heard of. |
Those gals aren't terrible but if that's the only choice, US should try to get more good players involved to broaden the possibilities. A healthy Io would be ok and I could possibly see Alarie as a replacement for Dolson. It looked like it was important to have some passing skill, defensive skill, ball handling, and the three ball: and the more people on your team that have as many of those as possible, the better. If someone lacks in one of them, then the rest of the team better be good at that skill.
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| Posted: 07/19/21 6:36 pm ::: |
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| Howee wrote: |
| Richyyy wrote: |
| tfan wrote: |
| Richyyy wrote: |
| Young has actually played a bunch of 3x3 and has the rating necessary (unlike Laney). |
What does "the rating" refer to? |
If you go here - https://play.fiba3x3.com/players?show=women - and put United States in as a nationality, you'll get a list. You needed 3,600 points on that list to be eligible for the team (two also had to be in the top ten, but they have that in Plum and Gray).
So they technically had about 60 players to choose from, but a lot of them are people I've never heard of, and I imagine people even most dedicated American women's basketball fans have never heard of. |
Hmmm. Now you've piqued my interest....do you know any of these obscure names?? I don't doubt you at all, but am curious. |
Scanning through the top-60, I recognise 17 of them, for what that's worth. Basically the ones in the WNBA right now, a few that have been drafted or had short-term WNBA careers in the past, and the odd college player. Others may do much better as I'd presume many of them probably played NCAA basketball somewhere.
I wasn't suggesting I was any kind of expert if that was how that came off. I meant that dedicated American women's basketball fans might have heard of some that I hadn't. |
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| Posted: 07/19/21 6:57 pm ::: |
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| Jackie Young IMO is somewhat similar to Gray except Gray has a decent three shot. I guess they can use her to guard the other team's best player so long as she doesn't hoist. |
3-pt shooting percentages
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Plum..........36.5..........38.3
AGray.........36.4..........32.4
KLS............34.0..........31.6
JYoung.......31.3...........30.1
Dolson........41.7...........38.0
I'm not seeing that Young is going to be a significant drop-off in 3-pt shooting. She's faster and more of slasher than KLS, and at least she and Plum have the advantage of a lot of experience playing together.
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| Posted: 07/19/21 7:21 pm ::: |
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| Richyyy wrote: |
| Howee wrote: |
| Richyyy wrote: |
| tfan wrote: |
| Richyyy wrote: |
| Young has actually played a bunch of 3x3 and has the rating necessary (unlike Laney). |
What does "the rating" refer to? |
If you go here - https://play.fiba3x3.com/players?show=women - and put United States in as a nationality, you'll get a list. You needed 3,600 points on that list to be eligible for the team (two also had to be in the top ten, but they have that in Plum and Gray).
So they technically had about 60 players to choose from, but a lot of them are people I've never heard of, and I imagine people even most dedicated American women's basketball fans have never heard of. |
Hmmm. Now you've piqued my interest....do you know any of these obscure names?? I don't doubt you at all, but am curious. |
Scanning through the top-60, I recognise 17 of them, for what that's worth. Basically the ones in the WNBA right now, a few that have been drafted or had short-term WNBA careers in the past, and the odd college player. Others may do much better as I'd presume many of them probably played NCAA basketball somewhere.
I wasn't suggesting I was any kind of expert if that was how that came off. I meant that dedicated American women's basketball fans might have heard of some that I hadn't. |
That's cool....I just can't seem to long onto the site to see any names. If anyone else IS on, and sees some names that aren't familiar, I'd be interested to know them.
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| Posted: 07/19/21 7:56 pm ::: |
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| where it says "search for players" you put in United States and hit enter
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| Posted: 07/19/21 8:13 pm ::: |
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| awhom111 mentioned it a while back - the USA men's 3x3 coach is from that Point Park school, so that's where they set up a load of tournaments. Must've given them the chance to build up a load of ranking points. |
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| Posted: 07/19/21 8:14 pm ::: |
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| You’re telling me Kelly Faris could have been on this team? Wtf, Geno? Make it happen. |
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| Posted: 07/19/21 8:18 pm ::: |
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| Jackie Young IMO is somewhat similar to Gray except Gray has a decent three shot. I guess they can use her to guard the other team's best player so long as she doesn't hoist. |
3-pt shooting percentages
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Plum..........36.5..........38.3
AGray.........36.4..........32.4
KLS............34.0..........31.6
JYoung.......31.3...........30.1
Dolson........41.7...........38.0
I'm not seeing that Young is going to be a significant drop-off in 3-pt shooting. She's faster and more of slasher than KLS, and at least she and Plum have the advantage of a lot of experience playing together. |
I agree it should be an advantage that Plum and Young played together, but the three number are a bit mis-leading - take a look at quantity of makes and takes. Last year in 22 games Young was 3-13. This year in 21 games 5-16. She can sometimes make them if left wide open - which doesn't happen too often in 3x3. She is a better defender and slasher than KLS although KLS' height is sometimes an advantage. Anyway I wish them well and hope they have fun as well as succeed competitively. And while KLS is not one of my favs, I do feel bad for her to miss her chance at the last minute at the Olympics like this. I'm sure it's really a difficult time for her.
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| Posted: 07/19/21 11:46 pm ::: |
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| awhom111 mentioned it a while back - the USA men's 3x3 coach is from that Point Park school, so that's where they set up a load of tournaments. Must've given them the chance to build up a load of ranking points. |
Slippery Rock University is near there too so I guess they were invited to send a bunch of teams. We should create a RebKell 3x3 series where a bunch of teams play tournaments every day so we can manipulate the rankings. |
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| Posted: 07/20/21 11:21 am ::: |
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Too bad for them and Nigeria. I think that this is ridiculous for their appeal to be denied. USA released them to go and compete. The committee should have done the same. I wish that the Ogwumike's would have done what others who have dual citizenship and compete on the team that their parents were born in. The pool in the USA is entirely too big. I get that they wanted and have been in the USA system since they were younger but they should have looked into this sooner rather than wait until they are not chosen for team USA.
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| Posted: 07/20/21 3:43 pm ::: |
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| Jackie Young IMO is somewhat similar to Gray except Gray has a decent three shot. I guess they can use her to guard the other team's best player so long as she doesn't hoist. |
3-pt shooting percentages
.................2021....WNBA career
Plum..........36.5..........38.3
AGray.........36.4..........32.4
KLS............34.0..........31.6
JYoung.......31.3...........30.1
Dolson........41.7...........38.0
I'm not seeing that Young is going to be a significant drop-off in 3-pt shooting. She's faster and more of slasher than KLS, and at least she and Plum have the advantage of a lot of experience playing together. |
I agree it should be an advantage that Plum and Young played together, but the three number are a bit mis-leading - take a look at quantity of makes and takes. Last year in 22 games Young was 3-13. This year in 21 games 5-16. She can sometimes make them if left wide open - which doesn't happen too often in 3x3. She is a better defender and slasher than KLS although KLS' height is sometimes an advantage. Anyway I wish them well and hope they have fun as well as succeed competitively. And while KLS is not one of my favs, I do feel bad for her to miss her chance at the last minute at the Olympics like this. I'm sure it's really a difficult time for her. |
My eyes told me clearly that KLS was the weakest link on our 3 x 3 team. Jackie Young is better in everything but 3 pt shooting and height - and KLS couldn't hit the side of the barn in 3x3 qualifiers.
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