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PostPosted: 03/16/16 9:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
Howee wrote:
What I REALLY wanna know is, what does Trump mean by making America "Great" again.....what's his definition of "Great"? Really. It sounds so....so....appealing! But what is "Great" for you and what is 'Great" for me (etc.) is probably very different. What is the definition of his bait terminology, ANDDD....how does he propose to get there?


The median household income here in CT was around 74k in 14. I am a bit over but less than 1.5x of that. Many I know are way above that. Yet with still having an orange couch (70s show style) and passed on furniture etc., we have been blessed with what we have.


Okay. You start with $$$....that's fair: it's what everyone thinks of when it comes to 'security' in life, right?
You earn more than 74K? Shocked Does your wife provide income, too? If she does, then you have nearly DOUBLE the household income my husband and I have. Granted, we're both retired now but I find it puzzling that someone with that much income thinks, economically, *we're* in trouble as a nation, from where you sit. Unless you foresee a horrible devaluation of real estate in your area, or your company's shares are in for a cataclysmic freefall, I don't get the pessimism.

HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
Making America great again. I have no idea what Trump really means.
He doesn't, either: Laughing

HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
I want to be able to make the best life I can for my wife and I without being told what to do or worry that each year that goes by the govts (all levels) will be taking more of what I have earned.
I then want to be able to help my children and hopefully Grandchildren as well.
I want to be able to reach out and help my community come together and build better relationships and help those less fortunate with a hand in a step up, not a hand out to enable.

This is all understandable, in terms of goals and wishes. I personally can't see anything about our *current* USA that will prevent you (or me) from having that. Taxes climbing? Yeah, they will. "Things" that will make our lives even better (Universal Health Care, Free University for your kids/grandkids) all cost $. And, at this point, you and I can still rely on the socialist 'handouts' called Social Security and Medicare. Handouts to welfare recipients? Get to know a few....they're not all the stereotypical Welfare Queens. And frankly, even if they all WERE, I'd be wayyy LESS pissed off about that kind of handout, than I am about the billions more tax $$$ that went to bail out corporate banker criminals.

HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
Trump isnt the person. Niether is anyone else on either side of the ballot.

He isn't. And you're right....NONE of them will. *We* the people are given this FreakShow like the olden gladiator contests was provided to the ancient Romans: an entertainment for the restless masses, hoping the illusion of the power of choice will placate us into thinking we are in charge.



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PostPosted: 03/16/16 10:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
Howee wrote:
What I REALLY wanna know is, what does Trump mean by making America "Great" again.....what's his definition of "Great"? Really. It sounds so....so....appealing! But what is "Great" for you and what is 'Great" for me (etc.) is probably very different. What is the definition of his bait terminology, ANDDD....how does he propose to get there?


The median household income here in CT was around 74k in 14. I am a bit over but less than 1.5x of that. Many I know are way above that. Yet with still having an orange couch (70s show style) and passed on furniture etc., we have been blessed with what we have.


Okay. You start with $$$....that's fair: it's what everyone thinks of when it comes to 'security' in life, right?
You earn more than 74K? Shocked Does your wife provide income, too? If she does, then you have nearly DOUBLE the household income my husband and I have. Granted, we're both retired now but I find it puzzling that someone with that much income thinks, economically, *we're* in trouble as a nation, from where you sit. Unless you foresee a horrible devaluation of real estate in your area, or your company's shares are in for a cataclysmic freefall, I don't get the pessimism.

HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
Making America great again. I have no idea what Trump really means.
He doesn't, either: Laughing

HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
I want to be able to make the best life I can for my wife and I without being told what to do or worry that each year that goes by the govts (all levels) will be taking more of what I have earned.
I then want to be able to help my children and hopefully Grandchildren as well.
I want to be able to reach out and help my community come together and build better relationships and help those less fortunate with a hand in a step up, not a hand out to enable.

This is all understandable, in terms of goals and wishes. I personally can't see anything about our *current* USA that will prevent you (or me) from having that. Taxes climbing? Yeah, they will. "Things" that will make our lives even better (Universal Health Care, Free University for your kids/grandkids) all cost $. And, at this point, you and I can still rely on the socialist 'handouts' called Social Security and Medicare. Handouts to welfare recipients? Get to know a few....they're not all the stereotypical Welfare Queens. And frankly, even if they all WERE, I'd be wayyy LESS pissed off about that kind of handout, than I am about the billions more tax $$$ that went to bail out corporate banker criminals.

HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
Trump isnt the person. Niether is anyone else on either side of the ballot.

He isn't. And you're right....NONE of them will. *We* the people are given this FreakShow like the olden gladiator contests was provided to the ancient Romans: an entertainment for the restless masses, hoping the illusion of the power of choice will placate us into thinking we are in charge.



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cthskzfn wrote:
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Thankyouthankyou. Cool



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PostPosted: 03/16/16 11:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
TonyL222 wrote:
tfan wrote:
The basis is San Bernardino and Paris

THAT is plain ignorant. ISLAM is not responsible for either of those. If that is the case then we might as well round up all the Muslims already in the US (citizens or not) and deport them along with illegal immigrants. Might as well temporarily ban people with brown eyes until we figuring this thing out.

Are you saying tfan's thinking or Donald Trump's is 'plain ignorant?'

Why can't it be both?


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PostPosted: 03/16/16 11:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

p_d_swanson wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
TonyL222 wrote:
tfan wrote:
The basis is San Bernardino and Paris

THAT is plain ignorant. ISLAM is not responsible for either of those. If that is the case then we might as well round up all the Muslims already in the US (citizens or not) and deport them along with illegal immigrants. Might as well temporarily ban people with brown eyes until we figuring this thing out.

Are you saying tfan's thinking or Donald Trump's is 'plain ignorant?'

Why can't it be both?


Because we don't have the same position. Trump wants a temporary ban on Muslims. I want a permanent ban on Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Jews, agnostics and atheists. My position was not being discussed and I gave Trump's obvious reasons for wanting a ban since the question "On what basis?" was asked again.


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PostPosted: 03/17/16 2:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

p_d_swanson wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
TonyL222 wrote:
tfan wrote:
The basis is San Bernardino and Paris

THAT is plain ignorant. ISLAM is not responsible for either of those. If that is the case then we might as well round up all the Muslims already in the US (citizens or not) and deport them along with illegal immigrants. Might as well temporarily ban people with brown eyes until we figuring this thing out.

Are you saying tfan's thinking or Donald Trump's is 'plain ignorant?'

Why can't it be both?


Putting on the hat I really prefer not to wear.

If someone says that another poster here is ignorant for expressing a political opinion, or pretty much for any other reason, they're out of here for a month. That's what I saw here.

If someone teams up to obliquely contribute to that insult, like you're doing, they're also going to be gone for a month. So there's a heads-up to you both. Please see things my way.

I can't possibly see everything that happens on Rebkell's but I've been doing the same thing, or pretty much, for all the years I've been doing this. We've all been on board here a long time so none of this should sound remotely new to anyone involved here.

As I said in another thread, we've been doing really well here in having many threads going and many passionate debates happening without it turning personal. And I mean that.

It isn't easy to have a political roundtable with scores of people from different backgrounds and different parts of the world and keep it all from turning personal and deteriorating the quality of the conversation and the experience of people reading and participating on the board here.

But we've been doing it and we will continue to. We will have passionate political arguments and debates, between the relatively few people here who are from the more conservative side of things, as well as our overwhelmingly well-represented more progressive side.

And we will not have people insulted or demeaned in any way.

Related note. Sarcasm and irony and snark is fine but if it's used for the purpose of trying to make a poster here look stupid, ignorant, or bigoted, to denigrate or insult the person who is posting the political opinion, then that's not okay and I'm going to err on the side of bouncing people when it looks to me as if someone is trying to put down someone's expression of a political thought with a personal jab.

If someone here doesn't have respect for the people who are engaging in Area 51 on politics, that's going to show. It has shown. Lately, however, not so much. Keep up the good vibe and let's consider the last day or two here a blip.

Please, and thank you.



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PostPosted: 03/17/16 6:27 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
p_d_swanson wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
TonyL222 wrote:
tfan wrote:
The basis is San Bernardino and Paris

THAT is plain ignorant. ISLAM is not responsible for either of those. If that is the case then we might as well round up all the Muslims already in the US (citizens or not) and deport them along with illegal immigrants. Might as well temporarily ban people with brown eyes until we figuring this thing out.

Are you saying tfan's thinking or Donald Trump's is 'plain ignorant?'

Why can't it be both?


Putting on the hat I really prefer not to wear.

If someone says that another poster here is ignorant for expressing a political opinion, or pretty much for any other reason, they're out of here for a month. That's what I saw here.

If someone teams up to obliquely contribute to that insult, like you're doing, they're also going to be gone for a month. So there's a heads-up to you both. Please see things my way.


jammer I have PERSONALLY been referred to as being "ignorant" before and I don't recall you raising an objection.

To be "ignorant" means to be lacking of knowledge and awareness, uniformed. If I wanted to hurl a personal attack on tfan as a person, I would have used some more pointed words.

tfans stated position and rationale - whether he was channeling Trump or stating his personal position - is one of ignorance.


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PostPosted: 03/17/16 6:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
Howee wrote:
What I REALLY wanna know is, what does Trump mean by making America "Great" again.....what's his definition of "Great"? Really. It sounds so....so....appealing! But what is "Great" for you and what is 'Great" for me (etc.) is probably very different. What is the definition of his bait terminology, ANDDD....how does he propose to get there?


The median household income here in CT was around 74k in 14. I am a bit over but less than 1.5x of that. Many I know are way above that. Yet with still having an orange couch (70s show style) and passed on furniture etc., we have been blessed with what we have.


Okay. You start with $$$....that's fair: it's what everyone thinks of when it comes to 'security' in life, right?
You earn more than 74K? Shocked Does your wife provide income, too? If she does, then you have nearly DOUBLE the household income my husband and I have. Granted, we're both retired now but I find it puzzling that someone with that much income thinks, economically, *we're* in trouble as a nation, from where you sit. Unless you foresee a horrible devaluation of real estate in your area, or your company's shares are in for a cataclysmic freefall, I don't get the pessimism.

HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
Making America great again. I have no idea what Trump really means.
He doesn't, either: Laughing

HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
I want to be able to make the best life I can for my wife and I without being told what to do or worry that each year that goes by the govts (all levels) will be taking more of what I have earned.


I then want to be able to help my children and hopefully Grandchildren as well.
I want to be able to reach out and help my community come together and build better relationships and help those less fortunate with a hand in a step up, not a hand out to enable.

This is all understandable, in terms of goals and wishes. I personally can't see anything about our *current* USA that will prevent you (or me) from having that. Taxes climbing? Yeah, they will. "Things" that will make our lives even better (Universal Health Care, Free University for your kids/grandkids) all cost $. And, at this point, you and I can still rely on the socialist 'handouts' called Social Security and Medicare. Handouts to welfare recipients? Get to know a few....they're not all the stereotypical Welfare Queens. And frankly, even if they all WERE, I'd be wayyy LESS pissed off about that kind of handout, than I am about the billions more tax $$$ that went to bail out corporate banker criminals.

HistoryWomensBasketball wrote:
Trump isnt the person. Niether is anyone else on either side of the ballot.

He isn't. And you're right....NONE of them will. *We* the people are given this FreakShow like the olden gladiator contests was provided to the ancient Romans: an entertainment for the restless masses, hoping the illusion of the power of choice will placate us into thinking we are in charge.



Wife is going thru multiple tests for MS.

I'm the only income which when I retire will go to about 28k a year + any ss.

That's my major concern. We do ok now, I admit. The leap from now to then is where I'm pessimistic when I see my taxes going up at a much higher rate than inflation

Bottom line.. I feel our nation will go the way we have in Ct with continued growth in socialistic policies. There are those in need we must help but there is also horrible abuse and fraud that is not weeded out.

I don't want the US to become like CT



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TonyL222 wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
p_d_swanson wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
TonyL222 wrote:
tfan wrote:
The basis is San Bernardino and Paris

THAT is plain ignorant. ISLAM is not responsible for either of those. If that is the case then we might as well round up all the Muslims already in the US (citizens or not) and deport them along with illegal immigrants. Might as well temporarily ban people with brown eyes until we figuring this thing out.

Are you saying tfan's thinking or Donald Trump's is 'plain ignorant?'

Why can't it be both?


Putting on the hat I really prefer not to wear.

If someone says that another poster here is ignorant for expressing a political opinion, or pretty much for any other reason, they're out of here for a month. That's what I saw here.

If someone teams up to obliquely contribute to that insult, like you're doing, they're also going to be gone for a month. So there's a heads-up to you both. Please see things my way.


jammer I have PERSONALLY been referred to as being "ignorant" before and I don't recall you raising an objection.

To be "ignorant" means to be lacking of knowledge and awareness, uniformed. If I wanted to hurl a personal attack on tfan as a person, I would have used some more pointed words.

tfans stated position and rationale - whether he was channeling Trump or stating his personal position - is one of ignorance.


I don't need a definition of ignorant. I've already said for years don't call people ignorant or refer to their opinions as ignorant. If I missed someone doing that to you in the past, I'm sorry. I hope to see you in about a month but I guess that's up to you.



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PostPosted: 03/17/16 11:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

In a new Emerson poll of New York, Trump is King Konging the opposition:

"With Marco Rubio out of the race, Trump leads his closest rival, Texas Senator Ted Cruz, by 52 points (64% to 12%). Rubio received 4% of the vote before suspending his campaign. Ohio Governor John Kasich earned just 1%, getting no bounce from his recent home-field victory in the Buckeye State. In a hypothetical, two-man matchup between Trump and Cruz, Trump leads 69% to 25%."

Note that Clinton wallops Trump in a general election matchup, 55-36.
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PostPosted: 03/18/16 7:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Two new national polls: Cruz gains only slightly on Trump with Rubio out of the race

Trump ahead of Cruz by 16 and 15.
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GlennMacGrady wrote:
Two new national polls: Cruz gains only slightly on Trump with Rubio out of the race

Trump ahead of Cruz by 16 and 15.


Looks like Trump got the smallest amount of the post-dropout Rubio voters, even below "someone else" and "don't know".



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tfan wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
Two new national polls: Cruz gains only slightly on Trump with Rubio out of the race

Trump ahead of Cruz by 16 and 15.


Looks like Trump got the smallest amount of the post-dropout Rubio voters, even below "someone else" and "don't know".



Of course, "someone else" and "don't know" won't be on the actual ballot come voting time, so some reasonable portion of these 17% of potential voters will likely break for Trump, especially since they are not now committed to Cruz or Kasich.
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pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
pilight wrote:
OTOH, the presidency is often shaped by outside events rather than plans and promises. Lincoln isn't remembered for "vote yourself a farm". FDR promised to "not send American boys into any foreign wars" all through the 1940 campaign. George W Bush campaigned hard against the use of the US military for nation-building.

A president's judgment is far more important than his promises.


Yes, big outside events, such as entering, prosecuting, continuing or ending a war, can plug additional variables into a voter's calculus. Even then, I could probably squeeze those variables into the "shared values" factor in my abbreviated listing.


Most times you don't know what the events that will shape a presidency will be, so they can't really be considered when voting. No one foresaw 9/11 on election day 2000.


And so it was with president Trump. His presidency was undone by a schizophrenic approach to the COVID pandemic, an event no one was predicting during the 2016 campaign.



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pilight wrote:
pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
pilight wrote:
OTOH, the presidency is often shaped by outside events rather than plans and promises. Lincoln isn't remembered for "vote yourself a farm". FDR promised to "not send American boys into any foreign wars" all through the 1940 campaign. George W Bush campaigned hard against the use of the US military for nation-building.

A president's judgment is far more important than his promises.


Yes, big outside events, such as entering, prosecuting, continuing or ending a war, can plug additional variables into a voter's calculus. Even then, I could probably squeeze those variables into the "shared values" factor in my abbreviated listing.


Most times you don't know what the events that will shape a presidency will be, so they can't really be considered when voting. No one foresaw 9/11 on election day 2000.


And so it was with president Trump. His presidency was undone by a schizophrenic approach to the COVID pandemic, an event no one was predicting during the 2016 campaign.


COVID no one could have predicted, but Trump being undone by incompetence and ignorance was incredibly predictable.


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pilight wrote:
pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
pilight wrote:
OTOH, the presidency is often shaped by outside events rather than plans and promises. Lincoln isn't remembered for "vote yourself a farm". FDR promised to "not send American boys into any foreign wars" all through the 1940 campaign. George W Bush campaigned hard against the use of the US military for nation-building.

A president's judgment is far more important than his promises.


Yes, big outside events, such as entering, prosecuting, continuing or ending a war, can plug additional variables into a voter's calculus. Even then, I could probably squeeze those variables into the "shared values" factor in my abbreviated listing.


Most times you don't know what the events that will shape a presidency will be, so they can't really be considered when voting. No one foresaw 9/11 on election day 2000.


And so it was with president Trump. His presidency was undone by a schizophrenic approach to the COVID pandemic, an event no one was predicting during the 2016 campaign.


I thought it was more on just the fact that we had a pandemic with all the pain that brings. But according to Gallup, Trump's approval rating was the highest it had ever been as late as early May 2020 - 49%. And then it plunged to 39% at the end of May. On April 24th is when Trump made the comment about disinfectant and light - perhaps - have the possibility of being used internally to kill the virus. This was then turned into "he's going to have people drinking bleach" by the Democrats and Never Trumpers, and then ultimately turned into (and never corrected if said on national TV) to saying that Trump had told people to drink bleach. Biden said it said least once in a major event. Two days after his comment that got him so much flak, Trump stopped having the briefings. That was probably his biggest mistake versus not telling the nation to wear masks and stay closed (both out of federal control). People fawned over the Cuomo briefings, even though he wasn't saying anything earth shaking. And they had been comforted by Fauci's equivocating unemphatic commentary.

But then again, by the time of the election Trump's approval rating was back to numbers that were good for him based on his first 3 years of approval ratings. He didn't get a 46% approval until his third year - and only once. But he got 46% approval on the 2020 Oct 16-27 poll. So it may just be that he ran against Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020 with lots of mail-in ballots (favors Democrats) being used in 2020.


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PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
pilight wrote:
OTOH, the presidency is often shaped by outside events rather than plans and promises. Lincoln isn't remembered for "vote yourself a farm". FDR promised to "not send American boys into any foreign wars" all through the 1940 campaign. George W Bush campaigned hard against the use of the US military for nation-building.

A president's judgment is far more important than his promises.


Yes, big outside events, such as entering, prosecuting, continuing or ending a war, can plug additional variables into a voter's calculus. Even then, I could probably squeeze those variables into the "shared values" factor in my abbreviated listing.


Most times you don't know what the events that will shape a presidency will be, so they can't really be considered when voting. No one foresaw 9/11 on election day 2000.


And so it was with president Trump. His presidency was undone by a schizophrenic approach to the COVID pandemic, an event no one was predicting during the 2016 campaign.


COVID no one could have predicted, but Trump being undone by incompetence and ignorance was incredibly predictable.


Yet many people predicted this disaster in Afghanistan, and Biden went ahead and did it anyway. Of course his approval ratings are now down to 48%. Oops.


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FrozenLVFan wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
pilight wrote:
OTOH, the presidency is often shaped by outside events rather than plans and promises. Lincoln isn't remembered for "vote yourself a farm". FDR promised to "not send American boys into any foreign wars" all through the 1940 campaign. George W Bush campaigned hard against the use of the US military for nation-building.

A president's judgment is far more important than his promises.


Yes, big outside events, such as entering, prosecuting, continuing or ending a war, can plug additional variables into a voter's calculus. Even then, I could probably squeeze those variables into the "shared values" factor in my abbreviated listing.


Most times you don't know what the events that will shape a presidency will be, so they can't really be considered when voting. No one foresaw 9/11 on election day 2000.


And so it was with president Trump. His presidency was undone by a schizophrenic approach to the COVID pandemic, an event no one was predicting during the 2016 campaign.


COVID no one could have predicted, but Trump being undone by incompetence and ignorance was incredibly predictable.


Yet many people predicted this disaster in Afghanistan, and Biden went ahead and did it anyway. Of course his approval ratings are now down to 48%. Oops.


50,000 people evacuated in two weeks, but some claiming it's a disaster.

We had to pull out of Afghanistan at some point. Good on Biden for not pushing this down the road to someone else.

Bottom line is, America has done a lot of bullshit in the past...well..since it's existence. And cleaning up the mess is never pretty - but has to be done.



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50,000 people evacuated in two weeks, but some claiming it's a disaster.

We had to pull out of Afghanistan at some point. Good on Biden for not pushing this down the road to someone else.

Bottom line is, America has done a lot of bullshit in the past...well..since it's existence. And cleaning up the mess is never pretty - but has to be done.


It IS a "disaster" on so many levels, but I agree: this shit show needed to stop.



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mercfan3 wrote:
50,000 people evacuated in two weeks, but some claiming it's a disaster.

We had to pull out of Afghanistan at some point. Good on Biden for not pushing this down the road to someone else.

Bottom line is, America has done a lot of bullshit in the past...well..since it's existence. And cleaning up the mess is never pretty - but has to be done.


It IS a "disaster" on so many levels, but I agree: this shit show needed to stop.

tfan wrote:
....and then ultimately turned into (and never corrected if said on national TV) to saying that Trump had told people to drink bleach. Biden said it said least once in a major event.


Never forget: several Trumpsters DID, in fact, ingest bleach. He's persuasive, no matter how his words are put forth.



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PostPosted: 08/24/21 9:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
FrozenLVFan wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
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pilight wrote:
OTOH, the presidency is often shaped by outside events rather than plans and promises. Lincoln isn't remembered for "vote yourself a farm". FDR promised to "not send American boys into any foreign wars" all through the 1940 campaign. George W Bush campaigned hard against the use of the US military for nation-building.

A president's judgment is far more important than his promises.


Yes, big outside events, such as entering, prosecuting, continuing or ending a war, can plug additional variables into a voter's calculus. Even then, I could probably squeeze those variables into the "shared values" factor in my abbreviated listing.


Most times you don't know what the events that will shape a presidency will be, so they can't really be considered when voting. No one foresaw 9/11 on election day 2000.


And so it was with president Trump. His presidency was undone by a schizophrenic approach to the COVID pandemic, an event no one was predicting during the 2016 campaign.


COVID no one could have predicted, but Trump being undone by incompetence and ignorance was incredibly predictable.


Yet many people predicted this disaster in Afghanistan, and Biden went ahead and did it anyway. Of course his approval ratings are now down to 48%. Oops.


50,000 people evacuated in two weeks, but some claiming it's a disaster.

We had to pull out of Afghanistan at some point. Good on Biden for not pushing this down the road to someone else.

Bottom line is, America has done a lot of bullshit in the past...well..since it's existence. And cleaning up the mess is never pretty - but has to be done.


I guess it's how you define disaster. Leaving our allies to be killed by terrorists qualifies in my book. Leaving the women of Afghanistan to be abused again also qualifies. Hazaran genocide qualifies. Pissing off the UN and our European allies and leaving the latter to deal with the largest part of the refugee mess qualifies. Giving al-Qaeda and ISIL-K a secure base to train more terrorists qualifies. Lying repeatedly to the American public and the world qualifies.


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PostPosted: 09/03/21 3:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Wife is going thru multiple tests for MS.

I'm the only income which when I retire will go to about 28k a year + any ss.

That's my major concern. We do ok now, I admit. The leap from now to then is where I'm pessimistic when I see my taxes going up at a much higher rate than inflation

Bottom line.. I feel our nation will go the way we have in Ct with continued growth in socialistic policies. There are those in need we must help but there is also horrible abuse and fraud that is not weeded out.

I don't want the US to become like CT


I'm so sorry you're going through that. That is rough to hear and I hope the best for you and your wife. But, with risk of politicizing your personaly struggle...I don't share your concearn for tax dollars going to social programs. Not to beat a dead horse on defunding the police, but in Seattle in 2019 the police budget was something like 8x that of EVERY OTHER SOCIAL PROGRAM COMBINED. So I personally don't see an excess of money going to people who need it; I see a huge overspending on the overuse of unnecessary and militaristic policing. At least that's what I see in my city.



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PostPosted: 09/03/21 4:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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....and then ultimately turned into (and never corrected if said on national TV) to saying that Trump had told people to drink bleach. Biden said it said least once in a major event.


Never forget: several Trumpsters DID, in fact, ingest bleach. He's persuasive, no matter how his words are put forth.


Do you have a link to that? Wink There was a couple who took something used to clean aquariums because it contained a form of chloriquine or hydroxychloriquine. This happened a month before Trump wondered if light or disintectant could be used internally. And if someone drank bleach, the likely cause wouldn't have been from Trump looking at a doctor and speculating whether disinfectant or light be could used internally as a treatment. It would have very likely been from people on TV repeatedly claiming Trump suggested people drink bleach. They said it so often that I think a poll asking "Did Donald Trump suggest people drink bleach for COVID-19 treatment" would see a majority respond yes.

Only the man died and his friends felt that he was murdered by his wife and the police opened a murder investigation but it doesn't look like it went anywhere after the coroner ruled the death as accidental. But it doesn't seem like he could actually tell who determined how much the man would take. Initially they claimed that the woman had taken significantly less, but that may not have been true. But that was a plot for a Murder She Wrote so I was ready to convict.




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PostPosted: 09/03/21 5:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/cdc-some-people-did-take-bleach-to-protect-from-coronavirus



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