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 Posted: 10/17/05 6:38 am ::: Re: Time magazine profiles Candace Parker. |
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For her sake, I hope Candace can live up to the expectations everyone has for her. She hasn't played in a single game at Tennessee, yet she's being lauded as "about to become a hero to many women."
And I hope she stays healthy: Parker's already had three surgeries on that left knee. http://utladyvols.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/090804aaa.html
I am glad to learn that Coach Summitt requires her players to be in Monday morning classes after road trips. The reigning national champions do that, too.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 7:47 am ::: |
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| I am glad to learn that Coach Summitt requires her players to be in Monday morning classes after road trips. The reigning national champions do that, too. |
In women's basketball, I think that's probably the rule, rather than the exception.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 2:48 pm ::: |
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| I think she'll do better than most people expect. She's not going to perform reverse alley-oops every single night (oh darn), but she'll have a handful of simplistic dunks every season and will average almost a double-double each season she's in "the 'Ville". During her college career, Tennessee will win at least two championships. So yeah...I think she'll live up to expectations.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 4:25 pm ::: |
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| I dont get some things... didnt Sheryl Swoopes "change womens basketball" didnt Holdslaw "change womens basketball" didnt DT "change womens basketball" good grief womens basketball has had more plastic surgery than Micheal jackson!
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| Posted: 10/17/05 5:05 pm ::: |
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| please what I dont understand why people are saying she's the best to evre play college basketball now lets be 4 real that is not true she may be in the top 50 but not the best ever please I'm already not a big fan of her's anyway cause I feel like she overshadows some of the players who are better than her, and womens college basketball let her play a game before we start calling her the best ever I wonder, What Swoopes, Miller and the other greats have to say about this and plus just because she play's for Tennessee does not mean they will win the championship this year there are teams who will beat Tennessee this year aint no way they will go undefeated in the SEC or thru Non- Conference LSU had the best talent last year and they didnt win so it's wide open this year
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| Posted: 10/17/05 5:09 pm ::: |
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| please what I dont understand why people are saying she's the best to evre play college basketball now lets be 4 real that is not true she may be in the top 50 but not the best ever please I'm already not a big fan of her's anyway cause I feel like she overshadows some of the players who are better than her, and womens college basketball let her play a game before we start calling her the best ever I wonder, What Swoopes, Miller and the other greats have to say about this and plus just because she play's for Tennessee does not mean they will win the championship this year there are teams who will beat Tennessee this year aint no way they will go undefeated in the SEC or thru Non- Conference LSU had the best talent last year and they didnt win so it's wide open this year |
Someday I would like to introduce you to my good friend the period. You and she should get acquainted.
Words can't describe how tired I am of hearing the Candace Parker hype. The unfortunate thing is that it predisposes people to not liking her. I know people who are hoping that she will fail because of all of the unwarranted hype she has gotten. She was a great high school player. She will likely be a great college player. She may very well be freshman of the year. But Candace Parker is not the shoo-in for national POY and four NCs for Tennessee like some want to make her.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 5:11 pm ::: |
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| please what I dont understand why people are saying she's the best to evre play college basketball now lets be 4 real that is not true she may be in the top 50 but not the best ever please I'm already not a big fan of her's anyway cause I feel like she overshadows some of the players who are better than her, and womens college basketball let her play a game before we start calling her the best ever I wonder, What Swoopes, Miller and the other greats have to say about this and plus just because she play's for Tennessee does not mean they will win the championship this year there are teams who will beat Tennessee this year aint no way they will go undefeated in the SEC or thru Non- Conference LSU had the best talent last year and they didnt win so it's wide open this year |
Candace has flash to her game, which is one of the reasons why she "overshadows" her competitors. It has yet to be proven whether or not her competitors are better than she is, so we can't just say things like that.
I agree that playing for Tennessee doesn't guarantee her a championship...THIS SEASON (Duke will win in 2006)! That doesn't mean that she won't win a title next year, the year after next year, and the year after that! There is too much talent on that roster for them to end up empty-handed come 2009.
There are teams that will beat Tennessee this year (including Duke), but there aren't as many as you'd like to believe. Tennessee is a SOLID squad, please believe. Also believe that most of their solidarity surrounds having a healthy Candace Parker.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 5:26 pm ::: |
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| She had better change it this year. Amber Harris will be a freshman next year, and she apparently is as comfortable with dunking in the course of action as Parker is. Parker may not change the game in that respect, she may just be part of its evolution. |
What makes you think she won't change it this year? One not liking Candace Parker doesn't mean that she'll fail or won't live up to expectations. She'll start building her reputation as a double-double dunking post this season. It's not unheard of for freshmen to average near double-double numbers. Plus, she's dunked so many times in the past that it's second-nature to her. She'll get a couple of good dunks in this season and will put up solid numbers. Even if she does this, however, there will still be those who will find flaws in her game. What? Candace didn't put up 100 points this game? Oh man, she sucks. 
With the opinions provided in this thread, I hope Diana Taurasi fans see why many people can't stand Diana Taurasi. There are similarities between the hype/hate that surround both of these young ladies. |
Wow. Calm down, Sparky. Once again, you completely miss the point. I was suggesting that Candace's dunking won't necessarily change the game so much as be a good indication that the game is changing. If there are more that one player doing it, it looks a lot more like an evolution to the way players are learning the game and the things they are learning to do. If Parker puts up a few dunks this year, does that equate to "changing the game"?
The unfortunate thing is that the hype that has been built around her makes it so that it will be nearly impossible for her to live up to them. She could be the second coming of Chamique Holdsclaw, and many would be disappointed. I have seen more than one person claim that Parker will be the four-time player of the year and lead the nation in some combination of points, assists, rebounds, blocks, etc., all four years. I have heard more than one person say that UT won't lose a game in the four years she plays. And so on and so on. Those are completely unrealistic expectations to put on anyone.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 5:50 pm ::: |
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I fail to see why Parker dunking more than once this season won't "change the game". Are you a basketball purist or something? You honestly don't think that young girls won't be impressed by Parker's athletic ability enough to attempt it themselves? If Parker can dunk on a fairly consistent basis this season, I feel that more younger girls (high school-age girls) with the height and athletic ability to attempt the dunk. This will lead to an increased incidence of the dunk in the women's game for years to come. And yes, it all begins with Candace Parker this season.
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I thought it began with Michelle Snow?
Anyhow, am I the only person here who is skeptical about how many dunks we'll see in games? Opponents are not going to be as concerned about her safety as her teammates and other people associated with UT will be.
I remember vividly what happened to Michelle Snow on her return visit to Vandy after her dunk the year before. She was dribbling down the court, and Chantelle Anderson leveled her with a hard foul, thinking that she was going to try to dunk. There wasn't anything subtle about it. In Snow's last attempt to dunk at home was late in the game in the NCAA tournament. An ND player prevented it with a hard foul.
I wonder how many of those it will take to convince Parker that maybe dunking isn't so great, after all.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 6:22 pm ::: |
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I thought it began with Michelle Snow?
Anyhow, am I the only person here who is skeptical about how many dunks we'll see in games? Opponents are not going to be as concerned about her safety as her teammates and other people associated with UT will be.
I wonder how many of those it will take to convince Parker that maybe dunking isn't so great, after all. |
I don't remember Michelle Snow being able to dunk in high school games since her tenth grade year (correct me if I'm wrong).
I don't think opponents will be bold enough to intentionally injure Parker during her dunk attempts, especially early on in a game. These players DO want playing time, don't they? It's hard to improve one's game if one is sitting in the locker room due to an ejection.
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You're also assuming Pat is going to allow her to either (a) show up an opponent (it can be conceived that is what she'd be doing. Not intentionally, but impression) or (b) risk missing what would be an easy layup in a game situation.
I agree with Matty though that this girl has so much expectation and weight on her shoulders it will be very difficult for her to match what people expect of her.
And personally, I think if anyone is going to make everyone else "respect" dunking, it's going to be Fowles.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 6:47 pm ::: |
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You're also assuming Pat is going to allow her to either (a) show up an opponent (it can be conceived that is what she'd be doing. Not intentionally, but impression) or (b) risk missing what would be an easy layup in a game situation.
I agree with Matty though that this girl has so much expectation and weight on her shoulders it will be very difficult for her to match what people expect of her.
And personally, I think if anyone is going to make everyone else "respect" dunking, it's going to be Fowles. |
I'm under the impression that Pat will allow Parker to dunk under her (Parker's) own discretion. I'm not exactly sure, though. Since it's a part (positive aspect) of her game, I doubt that Pat would want to try to suppress it. I think Candace knows when and when not to attempt a dunk since she's been doing it for years.
I tend to think PUMatty's position regarding Parker has more to do with his disdain for Parker rather than objective inspection. It seems as if he wants her to fail (subjective) as opposed to him thinking that Parker will struggle with the pressure she'll face (objective).
I've never seen Fowles dunk. Until I see her do so, I'm sticking with Parker being the "game changer" and receiving all the props.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 6:50 pm ::: |
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Get ready...she is going to dunk...
Get used to it...she is going to do it a bunch...
Get over it...It's part of her game...
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Grumps I don't know what you're talking about, but I think the biggest dunk deterrent is going to be Pat.
Remember the joke who's the only person to keep MJ under 20 ppg? Dean Smith.
I can see the same thing here. I hope not, let the kid be creative. I think it would be good for the game if it's done in the course of action and eliminates the LL set up dunks from recent memory.
Those are fun, but not the "real deal".
Personally, if I had to guess who goes first though, it's going to be Fowles.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 6:56 pm ::: |
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| You're also assuming Pat is going to allow her to either (a) show up an opponent (it can be conceived that is what she'd be doing. Not intentionally, but impression) |
That would be a good assumption.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 6:57 pm ::: |
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| You're also assuming Pat is going to allow her to either (a) show up an opponent (it can be conceived that is what she'd be doing. Not intentionally, but impression) |
That would be a good assumption. |
You think Pat would allow that? You are an SEC person, I'm not.
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| Posted: 10/17/05 7:04 pm ::: |
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I don't know the schedules. I'm talking regular season games. I just don't think it's going to be as easy as you think. I could be totally wrong. The only time I saw her play was in an all star game with the injured knee, so I'm sure she didn't have the explosiveness she will now.
Fowles can go with authority at any time. BBallfan, don't know if you saw this, but she was entered into the slam dunk contest and finished ahead of someone in the opening night festivities for LSU.
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