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PostPosted: 11/14/12 12:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

luvDhoops wrote:
pilight wrote:
hyperetic wrote:
Howee wrote:

More lessons for the Republicans: Your constituency is big bunch of Crybabies: when they don't get their way, they wanna run away. Fix that, wouldjya?


IKR, We lived through 8 years of Bush and didn't abandon the country.


Lots of people threatened to, just like these people are threatening to do something that they will never actually do.


Again, I don't remember it reaching this number of states nor collecting this number of signatures. So, how did those compare to the 30 states and Texas and Alabama and I'm sure more by now already with the 25,000+ signatures that we have now?


Look, if Texas and Alabama want to leave...Let 'em. They can take Kentucky with them.



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PostPosted: 11/14/12 2:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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just after Mr. Bush's victory on Nov. 2, the Canadian government's immigration Web site reported an increase in inquiries from the United States to about 115,000 a day from 20,000


Dayum. 20,000 per DAY??? Even THAT'S huge. 115K is unbelievable! Shocked

Now, I'm pondering how many Canadians inquire about US citizenship daily.



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my random thought this morning, as it's announced that texas has 100,000 signatures: let's say that hell freezes over and texas secedes. the great republic of texas now carries on just as it pleases. then the republic gets hit by (gods forbid) a calamity, maybe a natural disaster. guess who comes to the republic's aid? the great, benevolent united altered states, which can't turn a blind eye to its neighbors. the republic has its cake and eats it, too.

as much as people cry out against the big hand of government, when tragedy occurs, the cry often becomes, "where is the government?! we need help!" we've been hearing that a lot very recently.



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PostPosted: 11/14/12 5:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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my random thought this morning, as it's announced that texas has 100,000 signatures: let's say that hell freezes over and texas secedes. the great republic of texas now carries on just as it pleases. then the republic gets hit by (gods forbid) a calamity, maybe a natural disaster. guess who comes to the republic's aid? the great, benevolent united altered states, which can't turn a blind eye to its neighbors. the republic has its cake and eats it, too.

as much as people cry out against the big hand of government, when tragedy occurs, the cry often becomes, "where is the government?! we need help!" we've been hearing that a lot very recently.


They weren't allowed to secede in 1861 and they're not going to be allowed to secede now.



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PostPosted: 11/14/12 5:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
sambista wrote:
my random thought this morning, as it's announced that texas has 100,000 signatures: let's say that hell freezes over and texas secedes. the great republic of texas now carries on just as it pleases. then the republic gets hit by (gods forbid) a calamity, maybe a natural disaster. guess who comes to the republic's aid? the great, benevolent united altered states, which can't turn a blind eye to its neighbors. the republic has its cake and eats it, too.

as much as people cry out against the big hand of government, when tragedy occurs, the cry often becomes, "where is the government?! we need help!" we've been hearing that a lot very recently.


They weren't allowed to secede in 1861 and they're not going to be allowed to secede now.


They could always revolt. Of course, according to the Supreme Court revolution is only legal/constitutional if it succeeds. If it fails then the revolution is considered illegal and all appointments/decisions are considered illegitimate and subject to penalty under US law. If a revolution does succeed all actions are considered lawful (as long as they don't violate international law, commit war crimes, etc.).



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PostPosted: 11/14/12 6:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
luvDhoops wrote:
pilight wrote:
hyperetic wrote:
Howee wrote:

More lessons for the Republicans: Your constituency is big bunch of Crybabies: when they don't get their way, they wanna run away. Fix that, wouldjya?


IKR, We lived through 8 years of Bush and didn't abandon the country.


Lots of people threatened to, just like these people are threatening to do something that they will never actually do.


Again, I don't remember it reaching this number of states nor collecting this number of signatures. So, how did those compare to the 30 states and Texas and Alabama and I'm sure more by now already with the 25,000+ signatures that we have now?


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/08/national/08depart.html?8hpib

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just after Mr. Bush's victory on Nov. 2, the Canadian government's immigration Web site reported an increase in inquiries from the United States to about 115,000 a day from 20,000


Ok, now can you point out either the data for what I actually asked for or compare the data you provided with Canadian entries today?



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PostPosted: 11/14/12 7:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
pilight wrote:
sambista wrote:
my random thought this morning, as it's announced that texas has 100,000 signatures: let's say that hell freezes over and texas secedes. the great republic of texas now carries on just as it pleases. then the republic gets hit by (gods forbid) a calamity, maybe a natural disaster. guess who comes to the republic's aid? the great, benevolent united altered states, which can't turn a blind eye to its neighbors. the republic has its cake and eats it, too.

as much as people cry out against the big hand of government, when tragedy occurs, the cry often becomes, "where is the government?! we need help!" we've been hearing that a lot very recently.


They weren't allowed to secede in 1861 and they're not going to be allowed to secede now.


They could always revolt. Of course, according to the Supreme Court revolution is only legal/constitutional if it succeeds. If it fails then the revolution is considered illegal and all appointments/decisions are considered illegitimate and subject to penalty under US law. If a revolution does succeed all actions are considered lawful (as long as they don't violate international law, commit war crimes, etc.).


They reached the same conclusion that Benjamin Franklin did about the US revolution. It is always legal in the first person, "our revolution". It is only in the third person, "their revolution", that it becomes treason.



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PostPosted: 11/14/12 7:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/secession-50-states-_n_2131447.html

Residents in all 50 states have now filed........

Somehow, now that everyone wants to leave, it takes the "fun" out of it.

The Divided States of America, that sounds nice Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 11/14/12 8:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
justintyme wrote:
pilight wrote:
sambista wrote:
my random thought this morning, as it's announced that texas has 100,000 signatures: let's say that hell freezes over and texas secedes. the great republic of texas now carries on just as it pleases. then the republic gets hit by (gods forbid) a calamity, maybe a natural disaster. guess who comes to the republic's aid? the great, benevolent united altered states, which can't turn a blind eye to its neighbors. the republic has its cake and eats it, too.

as much as people cry out against the big hand of government, when tragedy occurs, the cry often becomes, "where is the government?! we need help!" we've been hearing that a lot very recently.


They weren't allowed to secede in 1861 and they're not going to be allowed to secede now.


They could always revolt. Of course, according to the Supreme Court revolution is only legal/constitutional if it succeeds. If it fails then the revolution is considered illegal and all appointments/decisions are considered illegitimate and subject to penalty under US law. If a revolution does succeed all actions are considered lawful (as long as they don't violate international law, commit war crimes, etc.).


They reached the same conclusion that Benjamin Franklin did about the US revolution. It is always legal in the first person, "our revolution". It is only in the third person, "their revolution", that it becomes treason.


IIRC, it was Benjamin Franklin who also once said, "We all must hang together...or hang separately." Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 11/15/12 6:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So I looked at a number of the signatures and in over 200 of them in my sample size only 35 were actually IDed as being from the state. An equal number did not identify their location and the rest of them were from different states. Sounds more like disgruntled troublemakers than the will of the people who would actually be affected.

And the guy who created this used it as his soap box:
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Ohio's inherent economic strength, along with its substantial natural resources and access to sea lanes via the Great Lakes, are the suitable underpinnings to secure to our citizens the rights and freedoms as

Sea lanes? Sure. As long as you negotiate passage treaties with the US.

Not all Texans want to leave though:
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Peacefully grant the city of Austin Texas to withdraw from the state of Texas & remain part of the United States.

And my favorite:
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Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas. El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.

That one may even be legal - have one city move from one state to another.


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PostPosted: 11/15/12 11:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I thought this was interesting in a foreign opinions sort of way:
http://fav.me/d5kdaaz
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PostPosted: 11/15/12 10:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

if they want to go, bye....

but, when north korea missle strikes your little Sovereignty, don't expect the rest of us to come to your rescue. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 11/19/12 10:01 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What did people think of secession when Bush was presdident...

http://middleburyinstitute.org/zogbysecessionpoll2008.html


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Politically, liberal thinkers were much more likely to favor the right to secession for states and regions, as 32% of mainline liberals agreed with the concept. Among the very liberal the support was only slightly less enthusiastic 28% said they favored such a right. Meanwhile, just 17% of mainline conservatives thought it should exist as an option for states or regions of the nation.



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PostPosted: 11/19/12 6:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Well this is fun. It seems a local news agency traced down the guy who started the Alabama secession petition and found out that his belief of government regulations choking him started with his business being shut down - a topless car wash. Of course, that was undoubtedly done by the local government and those rules would not change should they secede.

http://gawker.com/5961046/guy-who-started-alabamas-secession-petition-mostly-just-wants-his-topless-car-wash-back


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‘Calexit’: Californians want to exit the U.S. after Trump’s presidential win

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/calexit-californians-exit-trump-win-article-1.2866382

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"Calexit" has been trending on social media — reminiscent of the Brexit movement to leave the European Union — and some protesters are planning to assemble on the capitol steps in Sacramento on Wednesday.

The group leading the gathering is "Yes California," a campaign which aims to put a referendum on the 2018 ballot to exit the nation.



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PostPosted: 11/09/16 7:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Apparently the organizers skipped grade school the day they discussed how the United States fought a civil war to establish the principle that states had no right or ability to secede from the union.


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PostPosted: 11/09/16 8:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
Apparently the organizers skipped grade school the day they discussed how the United States fought a civil war to establish the principle that states had no right or ability to secede from the union.


Did you miss the memo: Facts are not absolutely necessary when executing political strategy. Razz



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ArtBest23 wrote:
Apparently the organizers skipped grade school the day they discussed how the United States fought a civil war to establish the principle that states had no right or ability to secede from the union.


If they can beat the rest of the country in a revolution, then they get to secede.

Once you've reached the point of secession, you're no longer willing to be bound by the rules of the parent country. That's kinda the point of doing it.

The American colonies didn't have the right to declare independence from Britain, but they did it anyway.



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pilight wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
Apparently the organizers skipped grade school the day they discussed how the United States fought a civil war to establish the principle that states had no right or ability to secede from the union.


If they can beat the rest of the country in a revolution, then they get to secede.

Once you've reached the point of secession, you're no longer willing to be bound by the rules of the parent country. That's kinda the point of doing it.

The American colonies didn't have the right to declare independence from Britain, but they did it anyway.



Jerry Brown has already supported the idea of building a wall to keep Trump out. So I would not be surprised if he consider CalExit Razz



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PostPosted: 06/21/22 6:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Texas Could Vote to Secede From U.S. in 2023 as GOP Pushes for Referendum

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-secede-us-2023-gop-pushes-referendum-1717254

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"If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede," the late Justice Antonin Scalia once wrote.



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