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Admiral_Needa
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bballfan2005
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luvDhoops
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Posted: 08/08/12 9:12 pm ::: |
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Lots of people will never understand what it's like to feel less valued than someone else, even when you're far more accomplished than them, because they look better or have more resources behind them or whatever. If complaining about that and wanting to bring attention to that makes one a sore winner, then, we aren't ever going to be shit (as a society). That's my end post on this one.
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ChicagoAnnie
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Posted: 08/08/12 10:07 pm ::: |
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if i'm a track athlete, and sponsors line up to hand me some cash, i'm taking the money....the window to cash in is too small and unpredictable.
on the other hand, i also agree that the criticism, should be on the media who put lolo up on a pedestal, and not her more accomplished peers.
instead of writing a salty NY Times article putting lolo down, that writer could have written a glowing piece on the other contenders in the field, without Jones' name even being mentioned.
personally, i don't see how any of this negativity is going to help any of those gals.
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myrtle
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Posted: 08/08/12 10:08 pm ::: |
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Guess I haven't been paying close enough attention. Was shocked to hear there was a to-do about Gabby's hair. I agree with whoever said they never even noticed her hair. I did notice her smile though, and what a fantastic smile it is.
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Admiral_Needa
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Posted: 08/08/12 10:34 pm ::: |
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bridgehere wrote: |
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Okay, first, she is white. We all know what this means. So let's just get that out of the way and she is from the u.s. when you refer to Pearson.
She has marketed herself and her story. I don't see a problem with that.
Finally, it seems she would have won in Bejiing had she not clipped a rail. I think that type of thing always grabs people's attention and they want the person to make a comeback, so they follow her and root for her.
If she is now crying foul because she is not the media darling then her bad. If the media is treating her unfairly, then media bad.
As for the other athletes, don't hate on Lolo, hate on the media and the marketers, which we know are controlled by white males.
These are just some thoughts I have had without being able to see the videos and from reading what is written here.
A related story would be the trending of Gabby's hair being ugly. She is 16, at the olympics. Won the all-around gold and team gold and that is what she sees on the internet. Evidently, she was quite upset. I am wondering if that affected the rest of her performances. GEEZ.....people are screwed up. They can never even think of participating in the Olympics so they get on social media and bash someone's hair or looks.
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Where'd you hear that? Not questioning you, just wondering. I couldn't find anywhere what her reaction was. |
I can't remember. I really expected it to be posted here and when I didn't see it (yesterday?) then I almost posted the link. I will google. |
A search link to articles about Gabby and her hair.
http://start.funmoods.com/results.php?f=4&q=gabby+douglas+hair+comments&a=adknlg&chnl=adknlg&cd=2XzuyEtN2Y1L1QzutCtBtByE |
Good point.
That said, I think Gabby's hair is fine. However, she could use some dental work/braces.
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LoveJanet
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 945
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Posted: 08/08/12 10:45 pm ::: |
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Why was Lolo on the Today show a day after finishing fourth? Were Dawn and Kelli unavailable?
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GEF34
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Posted: 08/08/12 11:11 pm ::: |
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Why was Lolo on the Today show a day after finishing fourth? Were Dawn and Kelli unavailable? |
Not sure how the media was working, but Dawn and Kellie were on live the NBC Sports Network doing an interview, maybe there was a conflict.
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mercfan3
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Posted: 08/08/12 11:16 pm ::: |
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Admiral_Needa wrote: |
That said, I think Gabby's hair is fine. However, she could use some dental work/braces. |
Or..we could let the adorable girl continue to be adorable just the way she is..
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GEF34
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Posted: 08/08/12 11:45 pm ::: |
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mercfan3 wrote: |
Admiral_Needa wrote: |
That said, I think Gabby's hair is fine. However, she could use some dental work/braces. |
Or..we could let the adorable girl continue to be adorable just the way she is.. |
Agreed I see nothing wrong with her the way she is.
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Admiral_Needa
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Youth Coach
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Posted: 08/09/12 5:39 am ::: |
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The report I read on this story was that the majority of the negative comments were made by black women. |
Of course the media will say this (and you, the reader, won't dig through the many tweets on the subject), but there were just as many, if not more, negative comments coming from black males. The media won't report those because it doesn't support their agenda. I will say this once again--many black women have been very supportive of Gabby Douglas and her historical pursuit. |
Yes, I the reader who didn't give much of a shit about the story in the first place didn't dig through posts on a site I don't use. I focused on the fact that Gabby Douglas won the all-around gold medal, hair be damned. |
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bekcat1
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TonyL222
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Posted: 08/09/12 7:02 am ::: |
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Thanks for that pilight. Summed up the discussion pretty well.
The whole "controversy" reminds me of the saying "Don't hate the playa - hate the game."
I'm glad Pearson is getting the well deserved love in her home country.
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dtsnms
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Posted: 08/09/12 8:56 am ::: |
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LoveJanet wrote: |
Why was Lolo on the Today show a day after finishing fourth? Were Dawn and Kelli unavailable? |
Since no one answered this, all three medalists were on first. Lolo was on afterwards, particularly to address the media crap.
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jammerbirdi
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Posted: 08/09/12 10:08 am ::: |
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ChicagoAnnie wrote: |
instead of writing a salty NY Times article putting lolo down, that writer could have written a glowing piece on the other contenders in the field, without Jones' name even being mentioned.
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Seriously good point. And the writer could've done some hurdling of her own shopping that story around because the New York Times would've never published it.
And then, after nobody else wanted it, the writer would have said, Gee, nobody wants to publish my Harper and Wells article, what can I do? Oh, I got it! I'll rewrite it and make it all about Bad Bad Lolo Jones.
Also, something here that no one has mentioned at all. It has gone completely under the radar. That is Lolo's name, and how important that name is.
I am a HUGE believer in the power of names and I always have been. But I came to live in the place that is the epicenter of the understanding of the power of having a great memorable or iconic-sounding name on which to build an image or a brand.
I don't think I've ever had this conversation here before but in LA, it's SO inarguable the importance of a good name that hair stylists and even realtors have been known to change their names to something more memorable and marketable.
Black people, for reasons I'm very well aware of, often have great good old American sounding media ready names and Dawn Harper and Kellie Wells sound like a couple of 1950s Hollywood starlets. No problems there, except...
Lolo Jones? Get the hell outta here! That's like the greatest sports star name for a female athlete I've ever heard. You put that name to that face with her story? I'm serious. Come on. lol. People saw gold lining their own pockets in Lolo Jones the commodity and you can't really blame them.
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p_d_swanson
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Posted: 08/09/12 10:16 am ::: |
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jammerbirdi wrote: |
Dawn Harper and Kellie Wells sound like a couple of 1950s Hollywood starlets. |
How about Dawn Wells and Kellie Harper instead?
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jammerbirdi
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Posted: 08/09/12 10:28 am ::: |
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p_d_swanson wrote: |
jammerbirdi wrote: |
Dawn Harper and Kellie Wells sound like a couple of 1950s Hollywood starlets. |
How about Dawn Wells and Kellie Harper instead? |
You know, that's what I thought it was, and I wanted to check for Harper's first name and Googled 'women's 100 meter hurdles' and got this...
Track and Field - Women's 100m Hurdles
Women's 100m Hurdles Final Results
Wind: -0.2 m/s Result
ORSally Pearson 12.35
Dawn Harper 12.37
Kellie Wells 12.48
4 Lolo Jones 12.58
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TonyL222
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jammerbirdi
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Admiral_Needa
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Posted: 08/09/12 8:27 pm ::: |
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bekcat1 wrote: |
luvDhoops wrote: |
jammerbirdi wrote: |
luvDhoops wrote: |
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The things African American women have gone through to fit into the Eurocentric definition of "beauty". So much so, so much built in self-loathing, that they will see this accomplished, lovely young woman on TV winning gold medals and can only think about how her hair needs to be prettier so she can "represent African American females better" is one Tweet I read.
The scars are deep people. Doing my best to eradicate this line of thinking, one Facebook status update and shouting match at a time.
EDITED: To add, I'm not judging any black woman who gets a perm btw. Do you. |
Harper's an unattractive woman. Period. Lolo had her in 2008 in a foot race before falling on her face but she didn't damage that face and it's something that Harper can never touch. For what it's worth. Looks are looks. This country is never going to market an unattractive woman like Harper to the point they're going to someone like Lolo.
I certainly can't know what it's like to be an African American woman in a world that has placed a much higher value on the beauty of Europeans but the freaking truth is that good looking black women aren't lacking anything in terms of beauty. There are as many beautiful females in Africa as there are in Europe or, percentage wise, Asia.
People here can go after this angle and the percentage of power brokers and the public who prefer to see lilly white faces everywhere they look and just keep beating this drum but you're ignoring and to some extent insulting all of us white people who love ALL beautiful women, and actually find ourselves gaga over more non-white faces that we do white faces. And bodies. |
Dude, this entire exchange you quoted was about Gabby's hair and black hair in general. Wasn't about Harper or Lolo at all. |
I honestly didn't see anything wrong with Gabby's hair. She had it pulled back. Just like her white teammates. Just like all the other gymnasts no matter their nationality/race. I guess to keep it out of the way. You know...like most if not all female athletes do when they compete. I thought this was the stupidest controversy in the whole Olympics. And it boggles my mind that folks feed into it by disseminating it to the nth degree. Maybe I am the idiot for not getting it. |
Yep. Next thing you know people will be criticizing swimmers for their shaved head look.
But remember, it wasn't a NYT article or something, it was just a collection of twitter posts. One thing's for sure, you can bet Gabby is going to get some free hair makeovers when she gets back.
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