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mysticsfan07
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Posted: 04/17/05 12:34 am ::: Draft Grades |
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Charlotte
1 Janel McCarville
24 Jessica Moore
Good Draft. Added much needed post depth. They could have used a PG, but there really wasn't an opportunity for them to draft one, although DeeDee Wheeler and Jenni Dant were available when the picked Moore.
Grade: B
Indiana
2 Tan White
16 Yolanda Paige
29 Ashley Early
Tan White will be great for them. She is exactly what they needed: a SG who can score and create her own shot.She is prob. the early favorite for ROY because she will be able to start right away and get a lot of opportunities to score. Paige is another good pick-up. They needed a back-up PG since Ivey sign with Detroit.
Grade: A
Phoenix
3 Irvin
18 Angelina Williams
31 Jamie Carey
Irvin adds rebounding and interior defense that the Mercury lacked last year. I could see her starting at the 5 over Vodichkova. Williams is a very good player that I think will make the roster. With the 31st pick I think they should have gone with someone like Blackmon.
Grade: B
San Antonio
4 Wecker
14 Shrya Ely
27 Catherine Kraayveld
*Traded Dydek for #8 Katie Feenstra
Wecker is also just what they needed, a wing that could shoot. Why did they go with Ely @ 14? Hodges was still on the board, and they really need a back-up SG. They Dydek trade was a good move. Margo needed a change I think, and the Silver Stars get a good prospect in reurn.
Grade: B
Houston
5 Sancho Lyttle
15 Roneeka Hodges
28 Jenni Dant
Great Draft. They got another big in Sancho Lyttle, a back-up SG in Hodges and a good back-up PG in the third round, Jenni Dant. I don't think they could have done much better.
Grade: A+
Washington
6 Temeka Johnson
19 Erica Smith
32 Tasha Moorehead
*Traded the 13th pick for Iciss Tillis
The only pick saving us from an F is Erica Taylor. Temeka Johnson is not the answer at PG, and we could have had Braxton and Jackson. No way Moorehead make the roster.
Grade: D
Detroit
7 Kara Braxton
13 Dionnah Jackson *fron Tillis Trade
20 Nikita Bell
33 Jenni Lingor
They added possibly the ost talented player in the draft, Kara Braxton, and a great defender, Dionnah Jackson. They they got Nikita Bell, a nice role player, and Jenni Lingor, a great shooter.
Grade: A+
Connecticut
21 Erin Phillips
34 Megan Mahoney
*Margo Dydek for #8 Feenstra
The trade for Dydek benefitted Connecticut as well. They got a player who can play the 5, allowing Taj to move to the 4. I don't know anything about Erin Phillips. Megan Mahoney is a player that can do just abut everything, but she is coming off an injury and it will be tough for her to make the roster.
Grade: B-
Sacramento
9 Kristin Haynie
22 Chelsea Newton
39 Anne O'Neil
35 Cisti Greenwalt
Haynie will be a great back-up for Ticha, and will allow Kara to play the two and not worry about playing PG. Newton could make the roster as a defensive stopper, and O'Neil is a GREAT shooter who could make the roster as well. The best thing of all- they stayed away from inside players.
Grade: A
New York
10 Loree Moore
23 Tabitha Pool
36 Rebecca Richmon
What were they thinking? Loore Moore would have been available at #23, they could have had both her and Wright/Hodges/Jackson. Also, What is up with picking Rebecca Richmond? I know it was the third round, but my goodness ahe averaged 2 points and 3 rebounds for Rutgers.
Grade: F
Minnesota
11 Kristen Mann
17 Jaqueline Batteast
37 Monique Bivins
I was suprised they took both Mann and Batteast. Both are good players, but they could have pick Jackson with the 11th pick to be their back-up PG. Batteast was a steal at 17th, however, and they probably weren't expecing her to be there.
Grade: B
Seattle
12 Tanisha Wright
25 Ashley Battle
38 Steffanie Blackmon
Great draft. They got two defensive players in Wright and Battle, and a steal with Steffanie Blackmon. All three could potentially make the roster.
Grade: A+
Los Angeles
26 DeeDee Wheeler
39 Heather Schreiber
Did good with what they had. DeeDee Wheeler could be a good back-up to Nikki Teasley.
Grade: A
Way too High: Loree Moore
Way too Low: Steffanie Blackmon
Best 5 Not Drafted: Anna Montanana, Caity Matter, Laurie Koehn, Jess Strom, Kelley Suminski
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 04/17/05 12:37 am ::: |
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Irvin adds rebounding and interior defense that the Mercury lacked last year. I could see her starting at the 5 over Vodichkova. Williams is a very good player that I think will make the roster. With the 31st pick I think they should have gone with someone like Blackmon. |
Irvin will not start over Vodichkova, but will have time to develop. And why do we need Blackmon? She was a solid college player, but we have enough 4s with Plenette Pierson, Gwen Jackson, and Sandora Irvin (though Irvin and Jackson may seem some time at the five).
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mysticsfan07
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Posted: 04/17/05 12:43 am ::: |
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I'm just not that high on Jamie Carey. I think Steffanie was the best available.
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Keegan
Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 6861 Location: The Cathedral of Snark
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Posted: 04/17/05 12:46 am ::: |
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mysticsfan07 wrote: |
I'm just not that high on Jamie Carey. I think Steffanie was the best available. |
It's a third round pick.
I would have gone for best perimeter defender left but basically all of them were taken! |
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Admiral_Needa
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Posted: 04/17/05 2:35 am ::: Re: Draft Grades |
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mysticsfan07 wrote: |
Indiana
2 Tan White
16 Yolanda Paige
29 Ashley Early
Tan White will be great for them. She is exactly what they needed: a SG who can score and create her own shot.She is prob. the early favorite for ROY because she will be able to start right away and get a lot of opportunities to score. Paige is another good pick-up. They needed a back-up PG since Ivey sign with Detroit.
Grade: A
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I still think that IND should have taken Irvin or another Center... Yes, they need a SG, but they could have waited until next year to get either Cappie or Monique or Augustus (and move Tamika to the 2).
I think a big reason why White was selected is because Winters wants to make the playoffs THIS year. Winters even said something similar in an indystar aricle. Reason being, is if IND goes into the lottery again, he'll be fired.
Of course, Tan's really good, but from a GM's standpoint, I would have chose to go through another building year. Natalie Williams is getting there in age, and on paper they just don't matchup with Detroit or CHA, let alone the west coast...
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Phoenix
3 Irvin
18 Angelina Williams
31 Jamie Carey
Irvin adds rebounding and interior defense that the Mercury lacked last year. I could see her starting at the 5 over Vodichkova. Williams is a very good player that I think will make the roster. With the 31st pick I think they should have gone with someone like Blackmon.
Grade: B |
Irvin was the safe pick over Braxton and I would start her at the 4. I think Carey is underrated because her Senior year was only OK compared to her Junior year, where she got lots of praise. She'll do fine as the backup PG. Considering how many SFs Phoenix has, I wouldn't be suprised if she's traded for a future 2nd or 3rd rounder or something...
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Grade: B
Washington
6 Temeka Johnson
19 Erica Smith
32 Tasha Moorehead
*Traded the 13th pick for Iciss Tillis
The only pick saving us from an F is Erica Taylor. Temeka Johnson is not the answer at PG, and we could have had Braxton and Jackson. No way Moorehead make the roster.
Grade: D |
I really think that Alana Beard's similarity to Seimone Augustus helped along this pick. If Beard moves to the 3, they can basically run the same type of gameplan LSU did. Hey, even LeBron James moved to the 3...
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Seattle
12 Tanisha Wright
25 Ashley Battle
38 Steffanie Blackmon
Great draft. They got two defensive players in Wright and Battle, and a steal with Steffanie Blackmon. All three could potentially make the roster.
Grade: A+ |
Well considering what they had to work with, what they needed, and what they got, then definitely A+. Talent-wise, it's just OK. New York was in a similar situation and did very poorly.
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Best 5 Not Drafted: Anna Montanana, Caity Matter, Laurie Koehn, Jess Strom, Kelley Suminski |
Laurie Koehn will find a home... everybody needs a 3-pt shooter to round out their roster...
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sambista
Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 16951 Location: way station of life
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Posted: 04/17/05 8:30 am ::: |
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my take:
detroit wins, hands down. if braxton delivers, laimbeer's got a four-headed monster - and no one had yet figured out how to slay the three-headed one!
washington comes in second, in my book, but not all directly as a result of yesterday. temeka johnson, in my mind, pulls it all together for the mystics - an outstanding floor leader who's gonna make beard and company very happy. getting tillis will be better than it looks on its face, i think. the whole is greater than the parts, and when you start adding up the parts (delisha, tillis and, yes, even chas), the team looks to be gelling so much that it almost doesn't matter who stands in as coach. i know this'll be an unpopular assessment, but i think it'll be a mistake (no pun intended) to blow off washington. things are gonna click for this team, in spite of the dysfunction, and temeka will see to it.
seattle comes in third, for a keen eye for battle and blackmon. some other teams did well for picking at least one player that will help them immensely - indy, sacto and new york.
another unpopular view: new york's whole season was riding on whether it solved the issue of point guard. the liberty needed a point, and it got a point with good pedigree. why not loree moore? and if it had waited till the second round and she was gone, everyone would've trashed blaze to no end. no, they did the right thing. they needed a point, they picked one with good work ethic, good college upbringing/coaching, good experience under pressure, against good competition and for high stakes. not a combo guard, to further muddy the picture, but a true, solid point guard. and ny needed one so badly, it should've taken temeka if she was available. no, this was a good call, and i'll go down in flames with loree moore if it was wrong.
though i don't necessarily dislike houston's choices, and despite chance's penchant for destroying point guards, he should've taken temeka johnson. he'd have been very happy. instead, houston still has a problem.
right now, detroit and washington are looking formidable (yup, even more than charlotte, because i'm convinced they're just flat out jinxed) in the east; in the west, seattle and sacto (not l.a., because i predict seriously bad chemistry with the mix of the hard-nosed bibby and too many starters with bloated egos).
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Keegan
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Posted: 04/17/05 8:37 am ::: |
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sebibb wrote: |
the liberty needed a point, and it got a point with good pedigree. why not loree moore? |
"Good pedigree"? What's that... because she went to Tennessee?
Why not Loree Moore? She's not a particularly good point guard. Defends ok but decision making and shooting - ugh.
Blaze was in a tough position though - NY needs point guards and posts and all the first round-types were already taken by #10. |
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herrade
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Posted: 04/17/05 8:42 am ::: |
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Keegan wrote: |
Blaze was in a tough position though - NY needs point guards and posts and all the first round-types were already taken by #10. |
...which is why she should have traded for a higher pick, if that was her plan. maybe she thought haynie would have been around at 10, but i wouldn't have even gambled on her.
we're basically screwed: no starting pg and no body in the paint, but a whole lot of 2s and 3s.
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Queenie
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Posted: 04/17/05 8:49 am ::: |
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Tennessee is a good pedigree... except when it comes to point guards.
Marciniak? Jolly Harper? Clement? Have ANY of these made an impact in the W? (No, 3M's epic battle with Latasha Byears does NOT count as an impact.)
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sambista
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Posted: 04/17/05 8:54 am ::: |
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Keegan wrote: |
"Good pedigree"? What's that... because she went to Tennessee? |
yes. all else being equal, if i need a point guard so badly that i need to risk my season with a rookie, yeah, i'll take a player from tennessee. before haynie or someone else, and since johnson was gone.
Keegan wrote: |
Why not Loree Moore? She's not a particularly good point guard. Defends ok but decision making and shooting - ugh. |
what were the options at the time?
Keegan wrote: |
Blaze was in a tough position though - NY needs point guards and posts and all the first round-types were already taken by #10. |
exactly. at that moment, new york did the right thing. that's not to excuse all the stupid mistakes it made up to that point, because we never should've been in this situation - needing a point guard so desperately that loree moore would become a practical choice. this should've been solved a season ago, and blaze had ample opportunity to make good choices in the off-season with free agents and other trade agreements. instead, she was picking up deadbeats like kelly gibson!
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Keegan
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Posted: 04/17/05 9:04 am ::: |
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sebibb wrote: |
needing a point guard so desperately that loree moore would become a practical choice. |
That's the thing - I don't think Loree Moore is a practical choice. I suppose it depends what role you think she'll play. Starter? Backup?
As for other options, well the Libs shouldn't have been in the situation in the first place and if you need to draft somebody crap to fill a certain position, well that's just very lame. I'll say Erin Phillips though - and the Libs should keep up with their international scouting! |
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pilight
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sambista
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Posted: 04/17/05 9:15 am ::: |
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i agree with you, keegan, about keeping up on scouting. forget international - just open your freakin eyes and pay attention! if that'd happened, we wouldn't have been sitting here praying that becky hammon doesn't start as the point guard again. all i'm saying, really, is that if blaze had gone through this draft without picking a point guard first and foremost, we'd have been screwed. new york started from a very low point. right now we have no choice but to pray that loree moore is up to the starting job and will improve the liberty's lot over last year.
i confess i don't know about erin phillips. but i wonder which player others who think moore was a poor choice would've selected instead.
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Slovydal
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Posted: 04/17/05 1:22 pm ::: |
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If they start Moore and hope for the best (w/ Becky at 2) it might work out really well.
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sambista
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Posted: 04/17/05 2:25 pm ::: |
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i wish. but as a longtime liberty fan just emailed me, it's very likely we'll see the very same starting five from last season in the garden, and i have no faith that coyle & blaze will change anything, even as we're being trounced by other teams. too bad that our first preseason game, against detroit in albany, won't be a wakeup call. it will be totally lost on this staff.
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pilight
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Posted: 04/17/05 2:30 pm ::: |
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That's the starting five that reached the East finals, right?
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sambista
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that's the starting five that gives us a heart attack every time they play. the starting five that makes us wanna close our eyes and be afraid to watch. the starting five that can never, ever get over that final hump in the postseason. the east finals? we are so over that.
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short247
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Posted: 04/17/05 3:21 pm ::: |
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MINNESOTA: Like I said before, I don't get it. Mann and Batteast are both SFs, and the Lynx already have Abrosimova and Lassiter under contract. They don't have a backup PG. Grade: C-
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How many point guards does one team need? The Lynx now have 4:
Kristi Harrower
Amber Jacobs
April McDivitt
Nuria Martinez
We don't need more people at #1 -- we desperately needed people who can score points from the wing, and that's hopefully what we got.
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pilight
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Posted: 04/17/05 3:37 pm ::: |
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McDivitt and Martinez are camp fodder.
Jacobs is a combo guard at best. She only played one season of PG at BC, Brianne Stepherson was the point for most of Jacobs' college career. She rarely played at the point last year, Darling and Edwards took the bulk of the point duties.
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mnbballfan
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Posted: 04/17/05 3:44 pm ::: |
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"McDivitt and Martinez are camp fodder. Jacobs is a combo guard at best. She only played one season of PG at BC, Brianne Stepherson was the point for most of Jacobs' college career. She rarely played at the point last year, Darling and Edwards took the bulk of the point duties."
Pilight, you've really got to get off that stuff you are using. While McDivitt might be a long shot, Martinez is an Olympian at the age of 21, and Jacobs was the "finisher" at the point in Minnesota more often than Darling, thus the reason why she will be wearing a Sting uniform this year. Edwards was moved to the 2 position in early June and didn't see the point guard position for the rest of the season.
Look for Minnesota to kick butt in the west while all of the other teams try to figure out how to stop them.
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Posted: 04/18/05 3:34 pm ::: |
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You're too high or too harsh on the Sun. Gotta give them an incomplete. They didn't draft for this year, with the exception of getting Margo.
Remember they had Whalen, Brungo, Futrell, Le'Coe, and Jen D. all as rookies last year. Were they going to draft replacements for 2nd year players when everyone admits it was a weak draft?
Assume Palmer is gone, along with Black. You replace them with Dydek and Wycoff. Then you sign Summeton and Valek as training camp tryout material, maybe to take the injured Futrell spot for now.
They took two players for the 2006 team; let's not forget the young team they had did make it to the finals.
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Slovydal
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Posted: 04/18/05 3:38 pm ::: |
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They went to the Finals last season. They added Margo. The Sun will do just fine this season.
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