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| Meh. Rerun my usual comment. Charlie Creme is an idiot.
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| Posted: 04/03/23 12:42 pm ::: |
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| Meh. Rerun my usual comment. Charlie Creme is an idiot. |
I know people hate this, but every other sport does this...and the more coverage the better. This will change a lot because of the transfer portal, but I don't mind this one bit.
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| Posted: 04/03/23 3:12 pm ::: |
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I think a lot of what he says is pretty accurate. As always it will depend on the portal and injuries.
While I like Utah I don't think they will be the #2 team. They need a BIG in order to compete with teams with bigs. Pili is fabulous but she is under 6'.
Ohio State has the same issue - they need a big.
It's hard to know how Iowa will be without Czinano and Warnock. Clark will need a new batman.
I think Stanford will be fine without Haley Jones - it will be a slightly different style and the offense will be more diverse. It will actually be a good thing for the younger players to not always defer to her.
This ranking will put a bigger chip on SoCaro's shoulder. While different without Boston, they will be better than #9.
I'm thinking Tenn should also be better than this ranking. But then I think that every year.
Maryland, without Miller, will have to show me.
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| Posted: 04/03/23 6:11 pm ::: Re: Needs it’s own thread - Charlie’s 2023-2024 Way To E |
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| https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/36044329/womens-college-basketball-way-too-early-top-25-2023-24 |
Duke will be anywhere between top 10 and not even receiving votes in the poll depending on the portal. To say we have some ginormous holes to fill would be a grand understatement. Seriously, we have the wing position WELL covered, but literally no other position. And if we don't find some knock down 3 pt shooters, the Sweet Sixteen will again be our ceiling.
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| Posted: 04/17/23 3:30 pm ::: |
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| Stanford definitely declined after losing three good players to the portal...and I assume we won't get any back.
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| Posted: 04/19/23 10:06 am ::: |
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| One minor thing in Charlie’s article. He said this is the last year that rosters are affected by Covid-bonus years. By my calculations, there’s one more year. Players that were true freshman in 20-21 will only be Covid juniors this coming year. That means they have one more potential season next year.
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| Posted: 04/20/23 3:30 pm ::: |
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| One minor thing in Charlie’s article. He said this is the last year that rosters are affected by Covid-bonus years. By my calculations, there’s one more year. Players that were true freshman in 20-21 will only be Covid juniors this coming year. That means they have one more potential season next year. |
That's right. Been a thing long-discussed on the men's side of Purdue world, since it means Zach Edey could potentially play two more years.
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| Posted: 04/20/23 4:28 pm ::: |
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Creme's ranking of UConn as #1 #1 is not irrational, but it implicitly assumes a lot of medical recoveries and production from completely unproven players.
Unfortunately but realistically, guard-wings Bueckers, Fudd, Ducharme and Griffin all have had multiple serious injuries during their college careers, with all but Bueckers having had serious injuries throughout their HS years also. Expecting all these players to recover or maintain recovery at optimal performance levels is questionably optimistic.
What bigs will UConn have to replace the height, scoring and rebounding of the departed 6-5 starter Dorka Juhasz?
UConn's only 6-5 player is end-of-bench Amari DeBerry, who, disappointingly but to be honest, has spent two years proving that she is not starter material on UConn.
There is one 6-4 player, Jana El Alfy, a red shirt freshman from Egypt. She's completely unproven, and I can't offhand recall a player who spent her entire life in Africa making a splash on an elite WCBB team. One can hope, but that's all at this point.
6-3 Ice Brady is the only other "big" candidate to replace Juhasz at center, but she too has spent an entire year out with a serious knee injury and hasn't played one minute of college basketball to prove anything, one way or the other. Like El Alfy, Brady is another hopester hoopster at center, but she has shown some decent play on at least one USAB team.
6-2 Ayanna Patterson, yet again to be brutally honest, was pretty much a disappointing flop at forward during her freshman year and is blind in one eye. She has not yet shown starter stuff.
The three incoming U.S. freshmen, two guards and a wing, are also by definition completely unproven on the elite college level.
I'd personally rank LSU #1 until someone beats them. While PG Alexis Morris and post LaDazhia Williams are graduating, Kim is bringing in the top-rated guard from HS, Mikayla Williams, and 6-5 center Aalyah Del Rosario, the second ranked post player—to say nothing of what emerges in Baton Rouge through the magic portal. |
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| Posted: 04/20/23 5:26 pm ::: |
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I'd personally rank LSU #1 until someone beats them. While PG Alexis Morris and post LaDazhia Williams are graduating, Kim is bringing in the top-rated guard from HS, Mikayla Williams, and 6-5 center Aalyah Del Rosario, the second ranked post player—to say nothing of what emerges in Baton Rouge through the magic portal. |
I see the rationale, but I am not sure I agree. Is LSU the team that only beat one ranked team through the regular season, or the team that got at the right time?
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| Posted: 04/20/23 5:49 pm ::: |
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| GlennMacGrady wrote: |
I'd personally rank LSU #1 until someone beats them. While PG Alexis Morris and post LaDazhia Williams are graduating, Kim is bringing in the top-rated guard from HS, Mikayla Williams, and 6-5 center Aalyah Del Rosario, the second ranked post player—to say nothing of what emerges in Baton Rouge through the magic portal. |
I see the rationale, but I am not sure I agree. Is LSU the team that only beat one ranked team through the regular season, or the team that got at the right time? |
It's not like they were losing to bad teams. Maybe they were that good all year and we couldn't tell because of their schedule.
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| Posted: 04/20/23 6:31 pm ::: |
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Creme's ranking of UConn as #1 #1 is not irrational, but it implicitly assumes a lot of medical recoveries and production from completely unproven players.
Unfortunately but realistically, guard-wings Bueckers, Fudd, Ducharme and Griffin all have had multiple serious injuries during their college careers, with all but Bueckers having had serious injuries throughout their HS years also. Expecting all these players to recover or maintain recovery at optimal performance levels is questionably optimistic.
What bigs will UConn have to replace the height, scoring and rebounding of the departed 6-5 starter Dorka Juhasz?
UConn's only 6-5 player is end-of-bench Amari DeBerry, who, disappointingly but to be honest, has spent two years proving that she is not starter material on UConn.
There is one 6-4 player, Jana El Alfy, a red shirt freshman from Egypt. She's completely unproven, and I can't offhand recall a player who spent her entire life in Africa making a splash on an elite WCBB team. One can hope, but that's all at this point.
6-3 Ice Brady is the only other "big" candidate to replace Juhasz at center, but she too has spent an entire year out with a serious knee injury and hasn't played one minute of college basketball to prove anything, one way or the other. Like El Alfy, Brady is another hopester hoopster at center, but she has shown some decent play on at least one USAB team.
6-2 Ayanna Patterson, yet again to be brutally honest, was pretty much a disappointing flop at forward during her freshman year and is blind in one eye. She has not yet shown starter stuff.
The three incoming U.S. freshmen, two guards and a wing, are also by definition completely unproven on the elite college level.
I'd personally rank LSU #1 until someone beats them. While PG Alexis Morris and post LaDazhia Williams are graduating, Kim is bringing in the top-rated guard from HS, Mikayla Williams, and 6-5 center Aalyah Del Rosario, the second ranked post player—to say nothing of what emerges in Baton Rouge through the magic portal. |
You count Mikayla Williams & De Rosario as assets for LSU, reasons to make them No 1, while UConn's freshmen, according to you are "completely unproven on the elite college level"? Come on Glenn, are you running for mayor of Baton Rouge?
You sure you aren't really Charlie Creme? He also likes to have double standards in his evaluations.
Try watching the USA U18 games from last summer and focus on Ice Brady and Del Rosario. They shared the post minutes. The coach played 6'3 Brady a lot more and she contributed more. Del Rosario did have 3 more blocks than Brady though.
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| Posted: 04/21/23 9:07 am ::: |
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| GlennMacGrady wrote: |
I'd personally rank LSU #1 until someone beats them. While PG Alexis Morris and post LaDazhia Williams are graduating, Kim is bringing in the top-rated guard from HS, Mikayla Williams, and 6-5 center Aalyah Del Rosario, the second ranked post player—to say nothing of what emerges in Baton Rouge through the magic portal. |
I see the rationale, but I am not sure I agree. Is LSU the team that only beat one ranked team through the regular season, or the team that got at the right time? |
It's not like they were losing to bad teams. Maybe they were that good all year and we couldn't tell because of their schedule. |
That's true. It's not that I am sure I disagree either. I just tend to not put too much stock in a team seeming to overperform (or underperform) in the NCAAs. Hard to know if they overperformed or not.
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| Posted: 05/02/23 10:08 pm ::: |
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Despite the fact that my Duke team (rightfully) dropped off the end of the earth in this ranking, I like the fact that there's ongoing discussion of women's college bball beyond the creation of super teams at the big universities with bundles of cash to offer. While the small schools like Duke need to keep learning how to navigate the new environment, I mostly want them to stick to their strength (elite academics) while the pendulum swings back. There IS going to be some pushback from some of the completely insane NIL deals being signed. And what happens when serious injury occurs? Poof - gone. Suddenly a D+ 'barely a student' and no longer a player is already a has been or could have been.
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| Posted: 05/04/23 11:47 pm ::: |
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| While the small schools like Duke need to keep learning how to navigate the new environment, I mostly want them to stick to their strength (elite academics) while the pendulum swings back. |
Duke is a "small school?" In Basketball? I personally wouldn't consider a team that has historically been near the top of a major conference like the ACC in the sport to be a "small school." When I think of a "small school" in a sport, I tend to think more like one of the mid-majors or possibly a perennial cellar dweller of a major conference.
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Of course, Creme did all this BEFORE the Gates of Hell....errr....PORTAL started spinning.
