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FrozenLVFan
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Just speaking for myself, when I was that age, I would have loved the chance to play, no matter the circumstances. Just eager for something different - the travel and all that. I once played in a pick up game and was demolished by one player who turned out to have played for the Chicago Hustle. The opportunity to play against a former pro player was priceless.
It's all up to the culture and mindset of the coach and team. They can focus on every bucket they score, every stop they make, every steal and celebrate each other. Or they can just feel overwhelmed.
I'm not sure why the travelling teams that used to play slightly more competitive exhibitions were outlawed. It was fun to see former Div.1 players who weren't quite good enough for the pro game go up against the more talented youngsters. But banning these teams is what led directly to the only options for exhibition games are Div 2, Div 3 or NAIA teams. More teams are opting for "closed scrimmages" against more competitive teams rather than playing an overmatched opponent. One thing for these exhibitions is that it gives players and bench players the chance to execute against someone other than their own teammates. |
Closed, inter-Division scrimmages seem like a solution more conducive towards the functionality of an exhibition game. All the workings of a simulated game, and a lot less of a chance of one team absolutely annihilating the other by a score that would certainly generate some negative buzz at the high school level – granted, a whole new ballgame at the college level, but I imagine a 90-point blowout at the high school level feels at least a little similar at the college level.
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I used to be a D3 head coach and our team thought it was SO cool to play D1s. They were super pumped to play the games and get to experience playing "at that level", even though we were outmatched. And while we lost, we did some good things and the kids would talk about it all year. "Remember when so-and-so hit that 3 on *insert D1 player's name here*? That was so sick!"
So do all coaches run these games by their players? I'm certain not. But a lot of them do and, in my experience, the kid's were 100% for it. |
Out of curiosity, did your kids ever get beat in these D1 matchups by upwards of 60, 70, 80, 90? Even 100? If so, and you're saying they were still excited afterward, that's good insight. Obviously there are fewer good takeaways the closer that scoring disparity gets to triple digits, but unless you get shutout in a basketball game, there literally is always some good play or two sprinkled within those 40 minutes.
If it really is a positive experience overall for these lower-Division players to come into these big gyms – even if they're empty cuz it's an exhibition game – I may not understand the value (I never played on a team sport lmao but that's its own issue to unpack for another day!), but good on them for apparently being able to set aside their competitive natures and instead just vibing with the whole experience. (Still, X amount of dollars gets the whole thing to happen, but I suppose one could say that about anything.) It still strikes me as odd that a D1 (and a Power-5) university would prefer to invite a lower-Division team for the sake of a practice game, over inviting a fellow D1 team to do a scrimmage that accomplishes the same thing but better. But, as evidenced above, not all these exhibition games are even epic blowouts.
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There were 8100 in attendance at the Tenn-Carson Newman exhibition last week. That's probably good recruiting ammo for the C-N coach and an experience their players would never have otherwise.
I think some of the DII or DIII exhibition games are set up for the same reasons that cupcakes appear on the OOC schedules. It's a tradition, or the DI coach is helping a smaller program to become established, or the DI team can't find another DI team willing and available to take a beatdown at a mutually convenient time, or they want the chance to give PT to the newer/younger players.
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GEF34
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| Posted: 11/04/22 8:22 pm ::: |
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| Unless the rules have changed, with it does seem that it has been relaxed some, playing another DI program can't be public, it seems now they can release footage and pictures, previously that was not allowed. So well the competition may be better, these exhibition games allow the fans to watch the team, also gives the teams an opportunity to play in front of fans with actual refs, lights, stats, PA announces, music, etc. |
Teams are allowed to play a max of 2 private scrimmages and/or exhibitions. Most teams opt to do 1 of each. The exhibition can only be against non-D1, with one exception: Two D1 teams can play in an exhibition if it is for a charity, a la what Texas and DePaul did last week in raising funds for a new school in Uvalde. |
Do you know why they changed the rules and DI programs can now publicize the closed scrimmages on social media. In previous years you weren't allowed to make it public in any way, pictures, videos, social media posts, etc., this year schools are posting highlight videos and pictures from them and I've even seen some schools post shout outs to the other school for coming to participate in the scrimmage.
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readyAIMfire53
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| Posted: 11/05/22 6:34 pm ::: |
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Duke beat Indiana (PA) 90-36. Takeaways from the exhibition:
Studs: Celeste Taylor & Jordyn Oliver
Players to watch out for: Ashlon Jackson & Reigan Richardson
Post player: Kennedy Brown (immediate post upgrade over last season)
Player looking for a new role: Shy Day-Wilson
Role players looking to crack the rotation: Lee Volker & Vanessa deJesus
Stats: Taylor 16 pts, 3 ast, 4 steals, 2 blocks, zero TO's
Oliver 12/5/5 + 3 stl
Brown 12/4 + 3 blk
deJesus 10/1/2 + 1 stl
Day-Wilson 9/1/2 + 3 stl
This team will play best when they play fast, which makes them fun to watch. Quick feet + quick hands = layup drills.
None of the post players are elite, but Kennedy Brown immediately upgrades Duke's post game over last season (which admittedly stunk). Hopefully having a post player who can catch and pass plus score a little will show recruits that Kara knows how to gameplan for posts so a top level kid will finally choose Duke. We just got a commitment from a top PF in Delaney Thomas and we've made the short list for some talented BIGS, just need to finally get a commitment from one.
Yes, I'm saying that #CoachKara is playing the long game and accumulating increasing levels of talent each year and hoping for a player that will finally start the dominoes falling so we can return to being an elite program year after year. Meanwhile, she's getting better at evaluating talent in the transfer portal.
Back to this year. Celeste Taylor is hoping to play her way into the WNBA after this college season. She is a non-stop menace on defense, hit her only 3 pt attempt and had zero TO's (her nemesis last season). Add in Jordyn Oliver, the new starting PG, who looks to be fully recovered from her achilles tear and is the fastest player to play for Duke in a decade. Now, who will be the third starter in the backcourt? Lee Volker started the exhibition and might continue starting vs overmatched opponents. Top candidates to start alongside Taylor & Oliver: Shy Day-Wilson, Ashlon Jackson and Reigan Richardson. Shy is coming off a ACC FOY nod at PG, but might be even more effective as a 3 pt sniper playing off the point as she was 3-4 from 3 today. Ashlon Jackson had frosh jitters at the exhibition, which affected her shot, but played a solid floor game. Reigan Richardson was all over the floor, shot 4-8 but 0-2 from three.
Frontcourt - Duke has a starting Center in Brown, a back up Center in Mia Heide plus two PF's in Balogun and Corosdale plus sharpshooting PF Shay Bolling coming off two injury riddled seasons in high school. Duke will not win games based on this front court but they might be enough to slow down opposing frontcourts so the backcourt can win Duke some games.
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BD22
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| Posted: 11/05/22 8:08 pm ::: |
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| Unless the rules have changed, with it does seem that it has been relaxed some, playing another DI program can't be public, it seems now they can release footage and pictures, previously that was not allowed. So well the competition may be better, these exhibition games allow the fans to watch the team, also gives the teams an opportunity to play in front of fans with actual refs, lights, stats, PA announces, music, etc. |
Teams are allowed to play a max of 2 private scrimmages and/or exhibitions. Most teams opt to do 1 of each. The exhibition can only be against non-D1, with one exception: Two D1 teams can play in an exhibition if it is for a charity, a la what Texas and DePaul did last week in raising funds for a new school in Uvalde. |
Do you know why they changed the rules and DI programs can now publicize the closed scrimmages on social media. In previous years you weren't allowed to make it public in any way, pictures, videos, social media posts, etc., this year schools are posting highlight videos and pictures from them and I've even seen some schools post shout outs to the other school for coming to participate in the scrimmage. |
From my understanding of the rules, you still aren't suppose to publicize them in any way. So I'm not sure the particulars of what you've seen or from who, but I can't really provide any insight because I don't think you're suppose to do it!
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| Posted: 11/06/22 8:45 am ::: |
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I assume they loosened enforcement of the rules because in the age of social media, there are no secrets and someone always leaks something.
In public exhibition news, St. Francis Brooklyn lost to their D-II opponent East Stroudsburg 58-47. East Stroudsburg got 26 points from graduate student Ryan Weise, who started her career as an LIU Blackbird, so there might have been some revenge factors at play. SFC graduated, lost, or otherwise misplaced more of their rotation from last year than I realized; this is most definitely not the team that beat Michigan State. Would kind of like to know what the hell’s going on with Jaila Lee. Without her, there’s a lot of pressure on the freshmen and incoming transfers.
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