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PostPosted: 07/07/22 2:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

With the ACC/PAC news providing much more clarity, I'm revising the first post

B1G: Oregon, Washington, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Duke

SEC: UNC, Virginia, Florida State, Florida, Clemson, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou, TAMU, Texas, OU

Big 12: Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, BYU, Colorado, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State, OK State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Cincy, WVU, UCF, Louisville, Miami, Va Tech, 1 or 3 of Pitt/San Diego State/NC State/Georgia Tech/Cal

Terrible for college athletics in general, but it's gonna give us some great women's basketball leagues.



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You're probably gonna have to revise your post quite often as this situation is extremely fluid. There is a report today that North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson and Virginia are in talks with the SEC and that ESPN is trying to void it's TV with the ACC.

ESPN and FOX are pulling all the strings with this realignment and it's ridiculous.

Also, the B1G is not going to invite UConn to the conference. This is all about football right now and bringing new media markets. UConn really isn't bringing anything to the table, at least not enough. Their FB program is horrible. If Oregon/Nike FB is being questioned as to whether they bring enough to the table, UConn sure as heck isn't even close.


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My hope is that some of the basketball schools being left behind by all the FOOTBALL FOOTBALL FOOTBALL hullaballoo either find a new home or create one. While one more addition to the Big East wouldn’t go amiss, I don’t want to make the same mistake we made the first time and take on too many schools with differing aims. Ideally, I’d see the Big East, the ACC, and the A-10 have a summit where three conferences enter and two conferences leave, both focused on basketball (ideally either not sponsoring football or not sponsoring at a level higher than FCS). I would very much like to otherwise stay out of this fray.



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purduefanatic wrote:
You're probably gonna have to revise your post quite often as this situation is extremely fluid. There is a report today that North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson and Virginia are in talks with the SEC and that ESPN is trying to void it's TV with the ACC.

ESPN and FOX are pulling all the strings with this realignment and it's ridiculous.

Also, the B1G is not going to invite UConn to the conference. This is all about football right now and bringing new media markets. UConn really isn't bringing anything to the table, at least not enough. Their FB program is horrible. If Oregon/Nike FB is being questioned as to whether they bring enough to the table, UConn sure as heck isn't even close.


The ACC report is why I revised the list, because they will get those 4 teams if they truly want them. Not sure anyone has intentionally put UCONN in B1G vicinity. UCONN womens basketball will get decimated by this, especially if the Big 12 conferences formally break away from NCAA.



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Stonington_QB wrote:
pilight wrote:
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UConn would never go to the ACC if it looked like that. If anything they would look to get into the B1G or stay put in the Big East.


The B1G isn't about to add the worst football team in the FBS


They already did that when they took Rutgers. Adding UConn would increase interest in the conference from the NY market and they are certainly after that.

UConn might have gone to the ACC in the past. If it becomes a deadweight conference as illustrated in the OP, why on Earth would they go now? To rejoin Boston College?


ACC would be needing more bodies so was spit-balling on potentials. Likely won't matter after today's news pertaining to the ACC



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okstateguy wrote:
Stonington_QB wrote:
pilight wrote:
Stonington_QB wrote:
UConn would never go to the ACC if it looked like that. If anything they would look to get into the B1G or stay put in the Big East.


The B1G isn't about to add the worst football team in the FBS


They already did that when they took Rutgers. Adding UConn would increase interest in the conference from the NY market and they are certainly after that.

UConn might have gone to the ACC in the past. If it becomes a deadweight conference as illustrated in the OP, why on Earth would they go now? To rejoin Boston College?


ACC would be needing more bodies so was spit-balling on potentials. Likely won't matter after today's news pertaining to the ACC


That's why I was saying that UConn would look to get into the B1G. Never said they would actually get in. It's a possibility given their location but still a longshot. Realistically they should stay put, and if they do, try to push to keep the defectors out.


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PostPosted: 07/13/22 7:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stonington_QB wrote:
okstateguy wrote:
Stonington_QB wrote:
pilight wrote:
Stonington_QB wrote:
UConn would never go to the ACC if it looked like that. If anything they would look to get into the B1G or stay put in the Big East.


The B1G isn't about to add the worst football team in the FBS


They already did that when they took Rutgers. Adding UConn would increase interest in the conference from the NY market and they are certainly after that.

UConn might have gone to the ACC in the past. If it becomes a deadweight conference as illustrated in the OP, why on Earth would they go now? To rejoin Boston College?


ACC would be needing more bodies so was spit-balling on potentials. Likely won't matter after today's news pertaining to the ACC


That's why I was saying that UConn would look to get into the B1G. Never said they would actually get in. It's a possibility given their location but still a longshot. Realistically they should stay put, and if they do, try to push to keep the defectors out.


UConn doesn’t belong to the AAU which is still a big deal for the Big Ten. https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members


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PostPosted: 07/19/22 10:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34264518/sources-big-12-pac-12-partner-talks-officially-end
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A Pac-12 source briefed on the conversations said that the Big 12 had expressed interest on Friday in possibly exploring a full merger.


Who on all of God's Green Earth ever thought that was do-able?? Shocked Laughing



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PostPosted: 07/21/22 9:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34264518/sources-big-12-pac-12-partner-talks-officially-end
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A Pac-12 source briefed on the conversations said that the Big 12 had expressed interest on Friday in possibly exploring a full merger.


Who on all of God's Green Earth ever thought that was do-able?? Shocked Laughing


I believe a former K-State President or AD floated the idea of a loose merger years ago. Bowlsby wanted a loose or full merger last year before the PAC shot it down. This go around, I'd say Cal, Wazzu, Oregon State, and Kansas State were the culprits.



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PostPosted: 07/21/22 2:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

okstateguy wrote:


The ACC report is why I revised the list, because they will get those 4 teams if they truly want them. Not sure anyone has intentionally put UCONN in B1G vicinity. UCONN womens basketball will get decimated by this, especially if the Big 12 conferences formally break away from NCAA.



Why? They managed to hold together when football broke up the BE and UConn had to compete in the patched together AAC?


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PostPosted: 07/21/22 3:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think UConn will be fine as long as Geno is the coach. Once Geno retires, life may begin to get difficult depending on who they hire—and more importantly what kind of money UConn is willing to commit to the heir apparent. Although, I can see a quality coach be willing to try to utilize the UConn brand as a launching point. Enough of the doomsaying as long as Geno is there.


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PostPosted: 08/03/22 3:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

purduefanatic wrote:
You're probably gonna have to revise your post quite often as this situation is extremely fluid. There is a report today that North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson and Virginia are in talks with the SEC and that ESPN is trying to void it's TV with the ACC.

ESPN and FOX are pulling all the strings with this realignment and it's ridiculous.

Also, the B1G is not going to invite UConn to the conference. This is all about football right now and bringing new media markets. UConn really isn't bringing anything to the table, at least not enough. Their FB program is horrible. If Oregon/Nike FB is being questioned as to whether they bring enough to the table, UConn sure as heck isn't even close.
ESPN has a sweet deal with the ACC. They have them trapped until 2036 wit a very low ironclad contract. ESPN is not letting that one go. The SEC is also going to stand pat for now. The teams will have to bring more money to the coffer before they expand. They are not going to split their pie for a team that can't pay their own way in a contract. The only team left with that power is Notre Dame. If I had to pick two schools that the SEC would take it would be Virginia and UNC and that's not even possible now. Texas and Oklahoma...So. Cal and UCLA are waiting on their media rights to expire...you know why...because it's ironclad...that's why.


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That's why there are attorneys working on it as we speak. And ironclad? Come on, contracts are broken every day. Sure, this one will cost some serious money, but it's not like it isn't doable if someone wants to get it done.

By the way, if the Big Ten wanted USC & UCLA to join next year, it would happen. However, the Big Ten's media rights expire after the 2023 season. There is no need to bring in add'l teams next year and split the current pie 2 more ways. Those 2 will bring in a lot of extra money beginning with the 2024 season, which is why they aren't being invited to the conference until then. The B1G paid out around $55M to each school while the Pac-12 only around $33M...I don't care what their buyout would have been, those schools would have gladly paid it in order to get that bigger check.

Lastly, if Notre Dame finally decides to join a conference with football (there have been some recent rumblings that they are going to do that), then it will be the Big Ten. That will impact the current ACC media rights deal as the conference make-up would change. I have been told that would potentially create a leak in the contract.


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That's why there are attorneys working on it as we speak. And ironclad? Come on, contracts are broken every day. Sure, this one will cost some serious money, but it's not like it isn't doable if someone wants to get it done.

By the way, if the Big Ten wanted USC & UCLA to join next year, it would happen. However, the Big Ten's media rights expire after the 2023 season. There is no need to bring in add'l teams next year and split the current pie 2 more ways. Those 2 will bring in a lot of extra money beginning with the 2024 season, which is why they aren't being invited to the conference until then. The B1G paid out around $55M to each school while the Pac-12 only around $33M...I don't care what their buyout would have been, those schools would have gladly paid it in order to get that bigger check.

Lastly, if Notre Dame finally decides to join a conference with football (there have been some recent rumblings that they are going to do that), then it will be the Big Ten. That will impact the current ACC media rights deal as the conference make-up would change. I have been told that would potentially create a leak in the contract.
You are very wrong. There was an expert in an article by ESPN that said with media rights and legal fees it would take a team from the ACC in excess of 300 million to exit and possibly as high as 500 million. The "ironclad" means yes they can negotiate a buy out...it will be very costly and not worth the effort. You don't think ESPN who has been doing these conference contracts for years hasn't had lawyers to dot every "i" and cross evert "t" ? You are very foolish if you think ESPN is going to renegotiate that sweetheart deal or let anyone escape without a very high price to pay. It's all about the money so why would ESPN ditch a sweetheart deal and pay the ACC more when they have them in the bag ? These contracts are ironclad unless you want to lose a few hundred million dollars to get out of it. The B1G nor the SEC would have any desire to pay and out for those teams when they can just wait it out ? It's simple....the money stops it....


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purduefanatic wrote:
That's why there are attorneys working on it as we speak. And ironclad? Come on, contracts are broken every day. Sure, this one will cost some serious money, but it's not like it isn't doable if someone wants to get it done.

By the way, if the Big Ten wanted USC & UCLA to join next year, it would happen. However, the Big Ten's media rights expire after the 2023 season. There is no need to bring in add'l teams next year and split the current pie 2 more ways. Those 2 will bring in a lot of extra money beginning with the 2024 season, which is why they aren't being invited to the conference until then. The B1G paid out around $55M to each school while the Pac-12 only around $33M...I don't care what their buyout would have been, those schools would have gladly paid it in order to get that bigger check.

Lastly, if Notre Dame finally decides to join a conference with football (there have been some recent rumblings that they are going to do that), then it will be the Big Ten. That will impact the current ACC media rights deal as the conference make-up would change. I have been told that would potentially create a leak in the contract.
Also...the Media deal with Notre Dame is only for their second tier teams. Their buyout is relatively small...They have no football contract with the ACC and that is the mainstay of the ACC contract. You don't thing ESPN knew that Notre Dame could leave and didn't seal a deal with that in a contract ? You're out of your mind. The only out for the contract with Notre Dame leaving the ACC in other sports would be ESPN. They would be the ones caught short, not the ACC. ESPN would just roll with the contract in place as is.....ACC doesn't have an out because they messed it up....that could actually cost them more....lol....you don't understand how these contracts work.....and who could end what part of it. ESPN is in the drivers seat on all these deals.....you can count on that. The ACC wasn't too sharp to do a 15 year contract as it is.....


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The SunBelt grew by leaps and bounds with the addition of JMU, ODU, and Marshall and the departure of Little Rock and UTA. It's had to divide itself in two, which is interesting to start with, and certainly there's more long distance travel involved for some schools than there was. Certainly for JMU, who used to have to travel pretty much only in VA, MD, and NC, except for trips to PA, MA, and NY to play those outliers Very Happy Now we have to go to GA and WV and NC mostly, with occasional forays into the Western division which is LA. AL, and AR mostly. It'll be different.

As for rivalries, JMU gets to renew the old one with ODU and hopefully start some new ones. We have a new AC who is from Troy, and he swears that there is nobody in the SunBelt like our Kiki Jefferson. We're getting Peyton McDaniel and Claire Neff back and have some new players on board who look more than interesting. Should be a good year if everyone stays healthy.



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PostPosted: 08/04/22 3:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Gamecock1 wrote:
purduefanatic wrote:
That's why there are attorneys working on it as we speak. And ironclad? Come on, contracts are broken every day. Sure, this one will cost some serious money, but it's not like it isn't doable if someone wants to get it done.

By the way, if the Big Ten wanted USC & UCLA to join next year, it would happen. However, the Big Ten's media rights expire after the 2023 season. There is no need to bring in add'l teams next year and split the current pie 2 more ways. Those 2 will bring in a lot of extra money beginning with the 2024 season, which is why they aren't being invited to the conference until then. The B1G paid out around $55M to each school while the Pac-12 only around $33M...I don't care what their buyout would have been, those schools would have gladly paid it in order to get that bigger check.

Lastly, if Notre Dame finally decides to join a conference with football (there have been some recent rumblings that they are going to do that), then it will be the Big Ten. That will impact the current ACC media rights deal as the conference make-up would change. I have been told that would potentially create a leak in the contract.
Also...the Media deal with Notre Dame is only for their second tier teams. Their buyout is relatively small...They have no football contract with the ACC and that is the mainstay of the ACC contract. You don't thing ESPN knew that Notre Dame could leave and didn't seal a deal with that in a contract ? You're out of your mind. The only out for the contract with Notre Dame leaving the ACC in other sports would be ESPN. They would be the ones caught short, not the ACC. ESPN would just roll with the contract in place as is.....ACC doesn't have an out because they messed it up....that could actually cost them more....lol....you don't understand how these contracts work.....and who could end what part of it. ESPN is in the drivers seat on all these deals.....you can count on that. The ACC wasn't too sharp to do a 15 year contract as it is.....


ESPN is in the drivers seat, but they also have the AAC where they could shove teams they want to pay less, the SEC for the teams they want to pay more to keep, and the Big 12 they will likely have a partial interest in to shove others. When ESPN has a couple years to make their legal case and a new Big 12 deal is in place, there will magically be enough votes to dissolve the ACC, and there won't be much the conference itself can do about it.



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okstateguy wrote:
Gamecock1 wrote:
purduefanatic wrote:
That's why there are attorneys working on it as we speak. And ironclad? Come on, contracts are broken every day. Sure, this one will cost some serious money, but it's not like it isn't doable if someone wants to get it done.

By the way, if the Big Ten wanted USC & UCLA to join next year, it would happen. However, the Big Ten's media rights expire after the 2023 season. There is no need to bring in add'l teams next year and split the current pie 2 more ways. Those 2 will bring in a lot of extra money beginning with the 2024 season, which is why they aren't being invited to the conference until then. The B1G paid out around $55M to each school while the Pac-12 only around $33M...I don't care what their buyout would have been, those schools would have gladly paid it in order to get that bigger check.

Lastly, if Notre Dame finally decides to join a conference with football (there have been some recent rumblings that they are going to do that), then it will be the Big Ten. That will impact the current ACC media rights deal as the conference make-up would change. I have been told that would potentially create a leak in the contract.
Also...the Media deal with Notre Dame is only for their second tier teams. Their buyout is relatively small...They have no football contract with the ACC and that is the mainstay of the ACC contract. You don't thing ESPN knew that Notre Dame could leave and didn't seal a deal with that in a contract ? You're out of your mind. The only out for the contract with Notre Dame leaving the ACC in other sports would be ESPN. They would be the ones caught short, not the ACC. ESPN would just roll with the contract in place as is.....ACC doesn't have an out because they messed it up....that could actually cost them more....lol....you don't understand how these contracts work.....and who could end what part of it. ESPN is in the drivers seat on all these deals.....you can count on that. The ACC wasn't too sharp to do a 15 year contract as it is.....


ESPN is in the drivers seat, but they also have the AAC where they could shove teams they want to pay less, the SEC for the teams they want to pay more to keep, and the Big 12 they will likely have a partial interest in to shove others. When ESPN has a couple years to make their legal case and a new Big 12 deal is in place, there will magically be enough votes to dissolve the ACC, and there won't be much the conference itself can do about it.


Exactly.


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This rampant reshuffling to grub football and men's basketball money turns me off to college sports. So does the creation of an uber-privileged class of "student-athletes", who not only get full boat rides for a free education, but also special tutoring and gut courses, extra "expense money" payments from schools, unlimited NIL money from third parties, and now $25,000 graduation bonuses.

While most of the 99% of other students wallow in decades of crushing student debt.

Take me home, country roads, to the Ivy League . . . where seldom is heard the sports scholarship word . . . and money is made the old-fashioned way . . . huge endowment donations from highly educated and filthy rich legacy alums.
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Stonington_QB wrote:
pilight wrote:
Stonington_QB wrote:
UConn would never go to the ACC if it looked like that. If anything they would look to get into the B1G or stay put in the Big East.


The B1G isn't about to add the worst football team in the FBS


They already did that when they took Rutgers. Adding UConn would increase interest in the conference from the NY market and they are certainly after that.

UConn might have gone to the ACC in the past. If it becomes a deadweight conference as illustrated in the OP, why on Earth would they go now? To rejoin Boston College?


All BTen schools are AAU members but Nebraska, and they were when they joined. Additionally the BT shares several billion in research grants, far in excess of the athletic income. UConn would not add to either pot of money more than they took, would be a MASSIVE step down in academic reputation for the conference, and other than WBB add nothing athletically. I cannot see any scenario that would put UConn in any consideration for Big Ten membership. Also, Rutgers has several ongoing research efforts with other BT schools going back decades. Look up PRI apples for one.



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okstateguy wrote:
Gamecock1 wrote:
purduefanatic wrote:
That's why there are attorneys working on it as we speak. And ironclad? Come on, contracts are broken every day. Sure, this one will cost some serious money, but it's not like it isn't doable if someone wants to get it done.

By the way, if the Big Ten wanted USC & UCLA to join next year, it would happen. However, the Big Ten's media rights expire after the 2023 season. There is no need to bring in add'l teams next year and split the current pie 2 more ways. Those 2 will bring in a lot of extra money beginning with the 2024 season, which is why they aren't being invited to the conference until then. The B1G paid out around $55M to each school while the Pac-12 only around $33M...I don't care what their buyout would have been, those schools would have gladly paid it in order to get that bigger check.

Lastly, if Notre Dame finally decides to join a conference with football (there have been some recent rumblings that they are going to do that), then it will be the Big Ten. That will impact the current ACC media rights deal as the conference make-up would change. I have been told that would potentially create a leak in the contract.
Also...the Media deal with Notre Dame is only for their second tier teams. Their buyout is relatively small...They have no football contract with the ACC and that is the mainstay of the ACC contract. You don't thing ESPN knew that Notre Dame could leave and didn't seal a deal with that in a contract ? You're out of your mind. The only out for the contract with Notre Dame leaving the ACC in other sports would be ESPN. They would be the ones caught short, not the ACC. ESPN would just roll with the contract in place as is.....ACC doesn't have an out because they messed it up....that could actually cost them more....lol....you don't understand how these contracts work.....and who could end what part of it. ESPN is in the drivers seat on all these deals.....you can count on that. The ACC wasn't too sharp to do a 15 year contract as it is.....


ESPN is in the drivers seat, but they also have the AAC where they could shove teams they want to pay less, the SEC for the teams they want to pay more to keep, and the Big 12 they will likely have a partial interest in to shove others. When ESPN has a couple years to make their legal case and a new Big 12 deal is in place, there will magically be enough votes to dissolve the ACC, and there won't be much the conference itself can do about it.
The ACC is not going to get out of that contract before 2036. ESPN will sue each individual school if the try to dissolve the conference. They could also sue any conference that tries to take them in. ESPN has to deal with a lesser Big 12 and a lesser Pac 12.....They will get two more sweetheart deals and move on.


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GlennMacGrady wrote:
This rampant reshuffling to grub football and men's basketball money turns me off to college sports. So does the creation of an uber-privileged class of "student-athletes", who not only get full boat rides for a free education, but also special tutoring and gut courses, extra "expense money" payments from schools, unlimited NIL money from third parties, and now $25,000 graduation bonuses.

While most of the 99% of other students wallow in decades of crushing student debt.

Take me home, country roads, to the Ivy League . . . where seldom is heard the sports scholarship word . . . and money is made the old-fashioned way . . . huge endowment donations from highly educated and filthy rich legacy alums.


Not exactly true, because my daughter had offers from several Ivies during her recruiting years. One in particular came at us very hard, multiple times. While they didn’t call them scholarships, it was made clear that the money was there from endowment funds, that would’ve covered about 97% of her education and other costs….


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Hoopsmom wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
This rampant reshuffling to grub football and men's basketball money turns me off to college sports. So does the creation of an uber-privileged class of "student-athletes", who not only get full boat rides for a free education, but also special tutoring and gut courses, extra "expense money" payments from schools, unlimited NIL money from third parties, and now $25,000 graduation bonuses.

While most of the 99% of other students wallow in decades of crushing student debt.

Take me home, country roads, to the Ivy League . . . where seldom is heard the sports scholarship word . . . and money is made the old-fashioned way . . . huge endowment donations from highly educated and filthy rich legacy alums.


Not exactly true, because my daughter had offers from several Ivies during her recruiting years. One in particular came at us very hard, multiple times. While they didn’t call them scholarships, it was made clear that the money was there from endowment funds, that would’ve covered about 97% of her education and other costs….


I agree, Hoopsmom. All I said is that the Ivy League doesn't use the "sports scholarship word." I'm sure most coveted athletes manage to receive full academic scholarships—as do, in fairness, a large percentage of non-athletes in the very highly endowed Ivy League schools.

I'm an anachronistic prisoner of ancient Ancient Eight memories. When I was at Columbia and Harvard, there was no charge for students to attend sports contests, maybe $5 for a non-student, all the coaches were working Physical Education Department faculty who made only a small additional salary increments for their coaching duties, and all the away games were geographically accessible by bus, train or car. Even with inferior athletes, Ivy League team basketball was often the most sophisticated in the country, with coaches like Pete Carril at Princeton, Doggie Julian at Dartmouth, and Chuck Daly at Penn. The Columbia basketball games were broadcast locally by Marty Glickman, who was a far superior game announcer than anyone I've ever heard since, who today are mostly just carnival barking homers or network shills.

There was no women's college basketball then, at least not at the six of the eight that had no women students.
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Is WBB actually getting big enough to play a significant part in the future handling of conferences' media rights deals?

...Or is Pac-12 Commish George Kliavkoff just sorta talkin' outta his ass here as part of a full-throttle attempt to save his conference?

https://sports360az.com/2022/11/as-pac-12-approaches-new-media-deal-womens-basketball-is-now-a-big-part-of-the-conferences-tv-offerings/

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"As we’re talking to all of the potential distributors, they want to talk about women’s basketball," Kliavkoff said on Tuesday at the Pac-12 women’s basketball media day. ...

"I think women’s basketball is our fastest-growing television sport. Ratings are increasing faster than any other sport. And I think it’s one of the sports that has been undervalued traditionally in media rights. I think that provides a great opportunity."

That undervaluation is true across the board for potential television distributors. The 2021 gender equity review showed that the NCAA’s package deal with ESPN that included the championships of all of the sports outside of men’s basketball and FBS football — $34 million per year for all 29 championship competitions — drastically undervalued several sports, especially women’s basketball.

In the report, it’s estimated that women’s basketball alone could garner 'between $81 and $112 million annually, beginning in 2025.'

While that doesn’t compete with the $1.1 billion the NCAA receives annually from Turner for its men’s tournament or the $470 million ESPN pays for the CFP, the report estimates that the NCAA is leaving tens of millions on the table each year, and that figure is likely to keep growing.

Looking at the ratings can show why. Last season’s national championship game between South Carolina and UConn drew 4.85 million viewers on ESPN networks, the most-viewed title game since 2004. Stanford’s semifinal loss to UConn had 3.23 million viewers, the most-watched semifinal in a decade. ...

At the professional level, the WNBA saw a 22% increase in viewership for games on ESPN during the entire 2022 season, with an average of 412,000 viewers across the 49 games on ESPN. The postseason saw a similar 22% jump, with an average of 456,000 viewers.

And at the end of September, ESPN televised the FIBA World Cup from Australia, with most games on ESPN+ but six games on television, including the championship game between Team USA and China that tipped off at 11 p.m. PT on ESPN. Even at that hour, the broadcast averaged 446,000 viewers for the game.


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