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snlMINAJ
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| I see Haley Jones as a Swin Cash type. Pre-knee injury Cash, that is. |
and i have viewed Phee as Swin Cash type player - more refined offensively.
Lynx need a post more than a PG in my opinion, i have to envision a trade given their win of pick #2
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| Posted: 11/14/22 12:08 pm ::: |
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| If a player like Gabby Williams who specializes in jumping can make it in the league there's room for Haley Jones.
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Stormeo
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| Posted: 11/14/22 8:54 pm ::: |
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Tara VanDerveer is one of the best wbb coaches in the world, but she just can't produce good guards at the WNBA level; I wouldn't pick Haley Jones in the Lottery if I were a GM
but that Stanford pedigree and that former Top-5 high school recruit status can carry people far up the Draft ladder
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| Posted: 11/15/22 12:20 pm ::: |
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| I hope we are proved wrong, but I agree with the sentiments that while she is a really nice college player, it's hard to see her as an impactful wnba player. It's definitely not as a PG. Actually I think Gabby may be a good comparison.
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| Posted: 11/15/22 12:47 pm ::: |
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| I hope we are proved wrong, but I agree with the sentiments that while she is a really nice college player, it's hard to see her as an impactful wnba player. It's definitely not as a PG. Actually I think Gabby may be a good comparison. |
Gabby has uber jumping skills , but that's about it. The defensive prowess that she's dubbed as is overrated and has not been up to par to her college days having to guard PF's/C's . Oppose to her WNBA career having to defend guards and not being the same defender. Yet she's still a starter for a top tier team so if she can improve just enough to survive i definitely like Haley jones's chances. She has a lot of untapped potential when it comes to her offensive game and even at this point in her career i have more faith in her offense than Gabby Williams a now veteran in the league. Jones will be a player at the next level by year 5 . The transition period is what i think most people worry about with her. Will she get better will she work hard to improve ? Yes , she's a stanford graduate. See Chiney , Nneka, Pohlen , Powell , Carrington *Baylor 2nd* , Lexie Hull , Jenn Rizzotti , Sonja Henning, Vanessa Nygard  Kate Starbird , Olympia Scott - Richardson , Candice Wiggins  , Jamila Wideman . Ok my rant's over LOL
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Stormeo
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| Posted: 11/15/22 1:34 pm ::: |
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I think Gabby Williams is much more than just her jumping skills as a perimeter defender, but that’s just me
I do agree that Haley Jones is gonna have to be one of those defense-oriented SFs to find a pathway to a long career, sort of like a higher-ceiling Tamera Young with a later-developing jumpshot
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NYSports56
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| Posted: 11/15/22 2:46 pm ::: |
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I'm watching women's college basketball for almost first time ever! I would say that I've already watched more this year than I have watched in the rest of my entire life combined.
Thanks to Stormeo for compiling that list of draft prospects. I've been tuning into the games that they play in because of that list.
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ucbart
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| Posted: 11/16/22 7:51 am ::: |
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| Stormeo wrote: |
Tara VanDerveer is one of the best wbb coaches in the world, but she just can't produce good guards at the WNBA level; I wouldn't pick Haley Jones in the Lottery if I were a GM
but that Stanford pedigree and that former Top-5 high school recruit status can carry people far up the Draft ladder |
I’m skeptical on Jones, too. She has no offense out of 8 feet and her superior skill set for a “big guard” will be moot because she’s not athletic.
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PRballer
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| Posted: 11/18/22 9:46 am ::: |
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Interesting feedback on Haley Jones. I thought she’s easily the #2 pick in this draft class - so based on what others are saying, who do you take if you’re Cheryl Reeve at #2? Kitley? She seems like less of a sure thing than Jones.
Cheryl wants to upgrade her backcourt and Jones seems like the best option to start that process through the draft
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Richyyy
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| Posted: 11/18/22 11:12 am ::: |
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The consensus definitely seems to be leaning towards Jones as the #2, which was why I asked for other opinions. It's just easier to see the path for players when their game is similar to others we've seen succeed. Jones has a somewhat unusual skillset, which makes the vision more cloudy. I think she'll probably still turn out pretty well, but it'd be a lot easier to see if she was shooting 35% from three on decent volume, for example.
I can't claim to have seen much of Kitley beyond highlight reels, but she seems like exactly the type that teams usually aren't convinced about. Is she a big step up from Elissa Cunane, for example? Or Hannah Sjerven, even? If she can stay healthy and hit a decent amount from outside, someone like Diamond Miller sliding up towards #2 seems far more likely to me. GMs fall in love with athletes and physical tools, and think they can teach the rest. |
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| Posted: 11/18/22 5:59 pm ::: |
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| NYSports56 wrote: |
I'm watching women's college basketball for almost first time ever! I would say that I've already watched more this year than I have watched in the rest of my entire life combined.
Thanks to Stormeo for compiling that list of draft prospects. I've been tuning into the games that they play in because of that list. |
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| Posted: 11/18/22 8:48 pm ::: |
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| If she can stay healthy and hit a decent amount from outside, someone like Diamond Miller sliding up towards #2 seems far more likely to me. GMs fall in love with athletes and physical tools, and think they can teach the rest. |
I'd take Miller over Joens in a heartbeat. She's already much more than an athlete with physical tools, as you put it.
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ucbart
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| Posted: 11/19/22 9:27 am ::: |
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| Richyyy wrote: |
| If she can stay healthy and hit a decent amount from outside, someone like Diamond Miller sliding up towards #2 seems far more likely to me. GMs fall in love with athletes and physical tools, and think they can teach the rest. |
I'd take Miller over Joens in a heartbeat. She's already much more than an athlete with physical tools, as you put it. |
Same. And I've said this a lot and people think I'm crazy, but I think Horston will be a great pro. She is a very, tall, athletic guard, who can pass and score. Yes, she turns the ball over a lot, but she won't be handling it as much as she does in college.
I could be wrong on Jones, by a lot-but she does a lot of things well....in the college game. But, being a guard with limited athleticism and absolutely zero shooting is going to be tough.
I mean, Katie Lou Samuelson was a 3x AA who is a big guard with limited athleticism who is a great shooter and she gets absolutely wrecked on this board. How do we think Jones is worthy of a #2 pick?
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| Posted: 11/19/22 11:34 am ::: |
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Although I’m not sure anyone had Samuelson going in the Lottery back at the time. More of a mid-to-late 1st-rounder, precisely because her only clear/consensus strengths were her length & shooting (which can still get you picked high, obviously). It’s admittedly a bit of a reach to say this, but maybe she’s why the past few UConn draftees – Dangerfield in 2020, and the most recent three here in 2022 – have all been denied from the first round, even as each of them at least at one point were talked about as maybe going in the first round. Again, maybe a reach, but who knows.
(Reminder: Dorka Juhász and [speaking of "LouConn"] Lou Lopez Sénéchal will for sure be available for this Draft, barring an unforeseen injury leading to a redshirt. Fwiw, Juhász is from Hungary and LLS is from France…)
Anywho, back to Haley Jones: She’s shorter and not as good a shooter as Samuelson, which ain’t great. But, if Jones is viewed as a good defender with a higher defensive ceiling than Samuelson, and GMs think she has value as a distributor/playmaker (even if they don’t view her as a PG, which I would agree with), then she’s not gonna fall out of the Top 6 for sure, and that really should be the goal for any Draft prospect who isn’t a consensus #1 these days. I think a high drafting means she’ll be given some years to work on her weaknesses like shooting.
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Richyyy
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| Posted: 11/19/22 1:58 pm ::: |
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| Richyyy wrote: |
| If she can stay healthy and hit a decent amount from outside, someone like Diamond Miller sliding up towards #2 seems far more likely to me. GMs fall in love with athletes and physical tools, and think they can teach the rest. |
I'd take Miller over Joens in a heartbeat. She's already much more than an athlete with physical tools, as you put it. |
I didn't mean to reduce her to just that, I just meant that her skills and style of play present a more obvious transition to the pro game as long as you think she's good enough.
And I'd definitely take her over Joens, but think there's potentially more of an argument with Jones  . Spelling is going to be important with this class. |
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| Posted: 11/20/22 2:28 pm ::: |
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| I ain't gonna lie, I'm starting to warm up on Ashley Joens again. That girl is on fire 🔥 but still team Miller
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| Posted: 11/21/22 12:25 am ::: |
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| Besides the more known players like Prince, DeShields, and Laksa, I remember that ESPN put Danielle Ballard somewhere in the top 50 of their draft board when she left LSU and surfaced in Finland. I hope that there is some late round hype for Aquira DeCosta in this draft. After her 24 point, 30 rebound effort in her last game, she currently leads both statistical categories in Sweden, which would at least be a slightly higher level than Finland. I figure someone will probably try to get her into camp at least, but it would be cool if she was a story before that. |
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| Posted: 11/21/22 4:40 am ::: |
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| How did a 6'1" wing with "limited athleticism" and no outside shooting become the highest ranked Hoopgurlz player in high school, Naismith National High School Player of the Year, and a starter on a USA Basketball U17 team?
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snlMINAJ
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| Posted: 11/26/22 6:26 am ::: |
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lou lopez senechal, although only 4 games with UConn, looks like she'll belong in the W.
definitely has shown to be multi-level scorer - opposed to just stand and shoot.
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awhom111
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| Posted: 11/26/22 1:23 pm ::: |
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| snlMINAJ wrote: |
lou lopez senechal, although only 4 games with UConn, looks like she'll belong in the W.
definitely has shown to be multi-level scorer - opposed to just stand and shoot. |
Was going to post about her today. Assuming all of the reporting on her is correct, she entered Fairfield in the same year that she turned 20 (May 12, 1998 birthday) so she should be in the same basket as Elena Tsineke and can be considered an undrafted free agent. Of course Tsineke still has a COVID year, but otherwise they should theoretically be able to sign contracts as soon as their seasons end if they want. |
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| Posted: 11/26/22 7:36 pm ::: |
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| snlMINAJ wrote: |
lou lopez senechal, although only 4 games with UConn, looks like she'll belong in the W.
definitely has shown to be multi-level scorer - opposed to just stand and shoot. |
Was going to post about her today. Assuming all of the reporting on her is correct, she entered Fairfield in the same year that she turned 20 (May 12, 1998 birthday) so she should be in the same basket as Elena Tsineke and can be considered an undrafted free agent. Of course Tsineke still has a COVID year, but otherwise they should theoretically be able to sign contracts as soon as their seasons end if they want. |
We're still yet to see them rule on someone's free agent/draft status in this way, though (at least with anyone that anyone cared about). I'll believe it once we see it. |
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| Posted: 11/27/22 8:21 am ::: |
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After watching Lou Lopez-Senechal for 4 games and an exhibition game, at this point in time, she looks like a first round draft choice. She does everything well, runs the floor, rebounds, defends, is unselfish, has a good body, is a 6'1" g/f, can shoot and score.
I imagine at least 95% or more of women's basketball fans never heard of her before...to be honest, I didn't either. But I sure do like her! 
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