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PostPosted: 11/06/21 9:45 pm    ::: Today's medical ethics question Reply Reply with quote

https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2021/10/10/greece-fake-vaccinations-water-real-vaccine/

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The bribe fee for doctors and nurses is apparently 400 euros. the fee is paid is by those who do not want to receive the vaccines against Covid-19 but want to gain access to several activities or simply avoid the twice per week Rapid tests for professional and other reasons.

But then a hilarious thing happened: Doctors pocketed the bribe but administered real vaccine and not “water” in order to avoid getting into trouble should the fake vaccination come out



Should these doctors be punished for lying to their patients and/or for administrating a treatment against their wishes?



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PostPosted: 11/06/21 10:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Only if the ones trying to bribe them go to prison.
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PostPosted: 11/07/21 9:46 am    ::: Re: Today's medical ethics question Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2021/10/10/greece-fake-vaccinations-water-real-vaccine/

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The bribe fee for doctors and nurses is apparently 400 euros. the fee is paid is by those who do not want to receive the vaccines against Covid-19 but want to gain access to several activities or simply avoid the twice per week Rapid tests for professional and other reasons.

But then a hilarious thing happened: Doctors pocketed the bribe but administered real vaccine and not “water” in order to avoid getting into trouble should the fake vaccination come out



Should these doctors be punished for lying to their patients and/or for administrating a treatment against their wishes?


The doctors did several things unethically...agreeing to give a fake vaccination, agreeing to falsify documents, lying to the patients, giving a medical treatment without consent, accepting a bribe.

However the patients did almost the same thing...requesting a fake vaccination, requesting falsified documents, lying to whomever they showed those documents, and offering/paying a bribe.

The fake vax procedure has apparently been going on for months and Greece is already firing medical staff, levying hefty fines, and threatening criminal prosecution.

I think some punishment of the patients is appropriate as well. Greece is in the middle of their largest surge right now.


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Greek authorities have introduced measures to crack down on fake vaccination certificates after a worker at a vaccination centre allegedly provided more than 40 people with false documents.

The Associated Press reports that Thanos Plevris, the health minister, said that parliament approved fines of 5,000 euros for each bogus vaccination, recovery, or test certificate issued. Private health centres that issue fake documents could be fined up to 50,000 euros.

People planning to commit these acts should know that they will be fired, they may face criminal prosecution, and they will have to pay a lot of money,” Plevris told state ERT TV.

He said the penalties will be more severe if the use of fraudulent documents could be linked directly to an outbreak.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/sep/10/coronavirus-live-news-bidens-vaccine-mandate-for-100-million-workers-los-angeles-to-require-students-to-be-vaccinated?page=with:block-613b74518f088f2a91a7fe3b#block-613b74518f088f2a91a7fe3b


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PostPosted: 11/07/21 12:04 pm    ::: Re: Today's medical ethics question Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2021/10/10/greece-fake-vaccinations-water-real-vaccine/

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The bribe fee for doctors and nurses is apparently 400 euros. the fee is paid is by those who do not want to receive the vaccines against Covid-19 but want to gain access to several activities or simply avoid the twice per week Rapid tests for professional and other reasons.

But then a hilarious thing happened: Doctors pocketed the bribe but administered real vaccine and not “water” in order to avoid getting into trouble should the fake vaccination come out



Should these doctors be punished for lying to their patients and/or for administrating a treatment against their wishes?


Yes. 100 percent.


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PostPosted: 11/07/21 6:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This might be the most Greek thing I've ever read.



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PostPosted: 11/08/21 12:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Queenie wrote:
This might be the most Greek thing I've ever read.

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PostPosted: 11/09/21 12:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So everyone's vaccination card in Greece is now suspect because of these anti-vax morons. Because they have fake cards, no one can be sure if a card presented to them is real or not. JOY. Idiots.


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PostPosted: 11/09/21 1:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So everyone's vaccination card in Greece is now suspect because of these anti-vax morons. Because they have fake cards, no one can be sure if a card presented to them is real or not. JOY. Idiots.


But their fake card might be for a real vaccination!

The land of my ancestors, folks.



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PostPosted: 11/09/21 2:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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So everyone's vaccination card in Greece is now suspect because of these anti-vax morons. Because they have fake cards, no one can be sure if a card presented to them is real or not. JOY. Idiots.


I seriously doubt this is limited to Greece



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PostPosted: 11/09/21 4:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Hawkeye wrote:
So everyone's vaccination card in Greece is now suspect because of these anti-vax morons. Because they have fake cards, no one can be sure if a card presented to them is real or not. JOY. Idiots.


I seriously doubt this is limited to Greece


Europe has had a difficult time with an influx of fake US & Canadian vax cards.


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