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If Atlanta winds up needing to trade Carter, what could they possibly get for her? She’s a point guard in height without the consistent inclination. Who’s going to want to risk upending their team for that? Especially when most teams have fairly stable guard situations. From a talent standpoint she’d help CT, but they’re a slow-paced defense-oriented top-4 team.
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You don't find many guards who walk into the WNBA and average 17ppg on 47%/38% while largely creating those shots themselves. At 21 years of age. There'd be a huge amount of interest from a variety of teams if it wasn't for the baggage. |
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| Posted: 07/06/21 3:44 pm ::: |
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| Some might argue that there's empirical evidence that being out of shape doesn't prevent someone from being on the Dream roster. |
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| Posted: 07/06/21 4:18 pm ::: |
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Carter is 23, 24 in November. She's still young, and it's possible she can reverse a lifetime reputation as being hard to get along with and a problem on any roster.
She is extremely talented, but she is better as a two guard, because of her turnovers. And point guards are supposed to be leaders, and clearly that's not Carter's strength. Two guards are easier to find.
The defensive metrics, for whatever they're worth, do not treat her kindly, and she is a good shooter, not a great one (31.7% from three for her career). She is average at drawing fouls.
Again, tons of talent, but not so elite that coaches and players will just close their eyes and deal with her.
Clearly, she's at a crossroads, and definitely, someone will roll the dice, if not this season, then next. If she cleans up her act, whoever has her at that moment will benefit enormously; if she doesn't -- and there have been those who could never break out of their self-destructive patterns -- then the time between signing and releasing will get shorter and shorter, until there are no more signings at all.
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| Posted: 07/06/21 4:28 pm ::: |
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| So does this mean Aari MacDonald will finally get some minutes?
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| Posted: 07/06/21 4:43 pm ::: |
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| Interesting to see what they do with 9 people
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| Posted: 07/06/21 4:55 pm ::: |
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| Sounds to me that she needs to play on a team with multiple vet players or already an established franchise player that can keep her in check and a solid coach who can handle her. Reeve or Mike T for example
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| Posted: 07/06/21 5:05 pm ::: |
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| Hard to see a contending team want to screw things up by trading for her right now. Also there is the fact that so many teams are capped out and Dream can't take on enough salary to pick up a salary dump (if the even wanted to). In a case like this - it's not a good time for a trade. I think this all blows over after she misses a few games. Might take until the Olympic break is over. A long time for hot heads to cool off.
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| Posted: 07/06/21 6:49 pm ::: |
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| So will CC remain with the team or will she be traded before the trade deadline? |
I think they're trying to move her the question is where ? |
Indiana has a nice extra first-rounder I am sure they would be willing to part with ... |
I agree this is the trade
Indy is desperate for talent and offense it is worth the risk even if Carter and K. Mitchell aren't the best match
Carter for Indy's first round pick from Minnesota (I don't think Atl has enough cap room for a big contract in return but Indy could throw in L. Allen, Wilson or maybe Vivians if there is some sort of low key bidding war or if Atl just holds out for more) Carter for the pick straight up might be enough Minny's pick probably lands in the 6-9 range by the time the season ends.
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| Posted: 07/06/21 7:11 pm ::: |
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| I have a better idea. Just let her sit at home and wish for a paycheck. When she tired of that she can come back. If they go some stupid deal like Banham for Carter the WNBA should revoke their franchise and disperse the players.
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| Posted: 07/06/21 7:19 pm ::: |
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Minny doesn't strike me as the right landing spot for Carter
If Minny was interested I would think Minny's 1st round pick from PX or Dangerfield would be the foundation of the offer. (Maybe both together if there was a bidding war don't know if there will be).
LA is the other team I could see with big interest in Carter but they don't have their first round pick next season (Dallas has it) and if they can't afford a bigger contract in return we're be looking at something like Cooper and a 2nd round pick fro Carter.
Dallas has the pieces (they have two first round picks next year and could throw in Harris, a first round pick and Harris would be a decent fit in Atl, they could also throw in Dungee or Alarie with a pick, hell if Atl wanted Collier that doesn't seem out of the question) but I don't see Dallas bringing in Carter when they already have Ogunbowale unlike Indy Dallas isn't as desperate and Arike brings more to the table than Kelsey (in terms od who's toes might get stepped on by bringing in Carter).
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| Posted: 07/06/21 7:31 pm ::: |
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| I have a better idea. Just let her sit at home and wish for a paycheck. When she tired of that she can come back. If they go some stupid deal like Banham for Carter the WNBA should revoke their franchise and disperse the players. |
Our deal making history should tell you what to expect.
Most are so bad they make it hard to remember the ones that have worked out well.
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| Posted: 07/06/21 7:56 pm ::: |
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| PUmatty wrote: |
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| So will CC remain with the team or will she be traded before the trade deadline? |
I think they're trying to move her the question is where ? |
Indiana has a nice extra first-rounder I am sure they would be willing to part with ... |
I agree this is the trade
Indy is desperate for talent and offense it is worth the risk even if Carter and K. Mitchell aren't the best match
Carter for Indy's first round pick from Minnesota (I don't think Atl has enough cap room for a big contract in return but Indy could throw in L. Allen, Wilson or maybe Vivians if there is some sort of low key bidding war or if Atl just holds out for more) Carter for the pick straight up might be enough Minny's pick probably lands in the 6-9 range by the time the season ends. |
This is why I don't think it's that easy to make a deal with Indiana. If I'm Atlanta, Minnesota's pick isn't enough for me. And unless KMitchell or at least McCowan was on the table, there's basically nothing else on the roster I'd want. But if I'm Indiana, considering the baggage, giving either of them up would probably be too much (unless you're internally quietly giving up on McCowan), and I'm sure as hell not giving up my own 2022 first.
I'd rather leave her sat at home and wait for people to forget some of the drama than take the 9th-ish pick for a very good 22-year-old scoring guard. |
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| Posted: 07/06/21 7:59 pm ::: |
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| Randy wrote: |
| I have a better idea. Just let her sit at home and wish for a paycheck. When she tired of that she can come back. If they go some stupid deal like Banham for Carter the WNBA should revoke their franchise and disperse the players. |
Our deal making history should tell you what to expect.
Most are so bad they make it hard to remember the ones that have worked out well. |
That's why it is better to sit and wait.
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| Posted: 07/06/21 8:09 pm ::: |
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| Richyyy wrote: |
| J-Spoon wrote: |
| PUmatty wrote: |
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| Rock Hard wrote: |
| So will CC remain with the team or will she be traded before the trade deadline? |
I think they're trying to move her the question is where ? |
Indiana has a nice extra first-rounder I am sure they would be willing to part with ... |
I agree this is the trade
Indy is desperate for talent and offense it is worth the risk even if Carter and K. Mitchell aren't the best match
Carter for Indy's first round pick from Minnesota (I don't think Atl has enough cap room for a big contract in return but Indy could throw in L. Allen, Wilson or maybe Vivians if there is some sort of low key bidding war or if Atl just holds out for more) Carter for the pick straight up might be enough Minny's pick probably lands in the 6-9 range by the time the season ends. |
This is why I don't think it's that easy to make a deal with Indiana. If I'm Atlanta, Minnesota's pick isn't enough for me. And unless KMitchell or at least McCowan was on the table, there's basically nothing else on the roster I'd want. But if I'm Indiana, considering the baggage, giving either of them up would probably be too much (unless you're internally quietly giving up on McCowan), and I'm sure as hell not giving up my own 2022 first.
I'd rather leave her sat at home and wait for people to forget some of the drama than take the 9th-ish pick for a very good 22-year-old scoring guard. |
I would try to do Minny's pick (and hope Chicago and maybe PX or Washington or possibly NY with a healthy Howard or a late surging Dallas could knock them down a little, combine that with a mini tanking of their own pick and maybe Atl ends up with pick 2/3 and 7/8 next year) and move the needle slightly by adding Vivians who is tiny improvement on Atl's SF depth.
pick 2/3 N. Smith, S. Austin, Hillmon
pick 7/8 E. Cunane, A. Joens, Carter, Sabally, Burrell
not too bad in 22
Am I correct that Atl can not take back any larger contracts in return?
I was also trying to think of what Atl could add to Carter to get a bigger return.
I really like Carter's game and would be interested to see if Atl thinks it is worth to keep her and try and resolve the issues, but even without the issues Atl is unbalanced with its four smallish ball dominant guards this could be an opportunity though a very risky one to create more balance.
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| Posted: 07/06/21 9:01 pm ::: |
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Yep, spot on. They've also got an extra roster spot, so something like Vivians and McCowan would still fit. |
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| Posted: 07/06/21 9:16 pm ::: |
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| Carter's not going anywhere. They'll have a players only meeting during the break and sort everything out.
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I've never really liked Achonwa's game; she doesn't do anything particularly good or bad, just sorta meh. Most importantly, I don't think she'd add much to the Dream roster. They're better off making sure Kalani Brown gets back into shape, as she at least can be good offensively. Too, Zahui B. might be a fit here...