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canadaball
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Another sloppy job by USA. If you pull the Taurasi has to make the team because she's been here 4 times before, you have to include Nneka for all that she's done for the game and her dedication to Team USA. And if she really isn't ready to lace em up in time, then you switch her out with someone who is.
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Neka's credentials certainly merit Olympic consideration; however, unlike Parker's exclusion in 2016, it is easy to understand the thinking. How does Neka's skill set add to that overpowering USA front line? She is an undersized passionate warrior, but the other 4/5's offer more. On the other hand, the USA perimeter with Bird, Taurasi, and Gray is not young or very athletic. Loyd and Diggy help, but Atkins gives another young guard with legs. The knee injury, which unlike DT whp plays next week,, has unsure future, clinches it. BTW there is no provision for replacement of injured player past the drop dead date (I believe July 5). |
In that case, why make the annoucement now? Why not wait until July 5 so you know the health status of both Taurasi and Nneka. Or everyone else for that matter ... |
After double checking, I can clear up the roster deadline. July 5 only applies to men's teams. June 23 is the women's deadline. The reason for difference relates to NBA playoffs. Seems like the women's committee has waited just about as long as possible.
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PUmatty
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| Posted: 06/21/21 1:58 pm ::: |
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Another sloppy job by USA. If you pull the Taurasi has to make the team because she's been here 4 times before, you have to include Nneka for all that she's done for the game and her dedication to Team USA. And if she really isn't ready to lace em up in time, then you switch her out with someone who is.
Bad move by USA. Are we surprised |
Neka's credentials certainly merit Olympic consideration; however, unlike Parker's exclusion in 2016, it is easy to understand the thinking. How does Neka's skill set add to that overpowering USA front line? She is an undersized passionate warrior, but the other 4/5's offer more. On the other hand, the USA perimeter with Bird, Taurasi, and Gray is not young or very athletic. Loyd and Diggy help, but Atkins gives another young guard with legs. The knee injury, which unlike DT whp plays next week,, has unsure future, clinches it. BTW there is no provision for replacement of injured player past the drop dead date (I believe July 5). |
In that case, why make the annoucement now? Why not wait until July 5 so you know the health status of both Taurasi and Nneka. Or everyone else for that matter ... |
After double checking, I can clear up the roster deadline. July 5 only applies to men's teams. June 23 is the women's deadline. The reason for difference relates to NBA playoffs. Seems like the women's committee has waited just about as long as possible. |
That makes more sense, thank you. I had seen the July 5 date floating around so was very surprised by today's announcement.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 2:02 pm ::: |
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| That June 23 date seems to be a fairly arbitrarily applied date by the US Olympic Committee. July 5 is the only date I've seen anywhere to actually submit the teams to the IOC or FIBA or whoever actually needs them for the Games. Weird. |
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| Posted: 06/21/21 2:34 pm ::: |
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From Chiney's Twitter:
https://twitter.com/chiney/status/1406980225456435212?s=20
I mean she does make some good points there. I know it was a tough decision. Do y'all think it was down to Tina vs Nneka and Tina's good year and Nneka's injury did it? Or could they have dropped a guard, move Stewie to 3 and keep both? I do hate it for Nneka.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 2:37 pm ::: |
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| If they wanted an actually balanced roster, with most people at their natural positions, it would've probably had to have been Charles. But given USA Basketball's history, if they were going to leave any of that 12 out for Nneka, I think it would've been Atkins. Then Stewart plays much more 3 and Nneka's an extra post. They basically did the same thing for Worlds three years ago. |
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| Posted: 06/21/21 3:11 pm ::: |
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| Nneka is now almost certain to be the first league MVP to never make an Olympic team. She'll be 33 in 2024, and hard to imagine her making her first team then. |
It happens. There are a number of NBA MVPs who never played in the Olympics, like Steph Curry.
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PUmatty
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| Posted: 06/21/21 3:32 pm ::: |
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| Nneka is now almost certain to be the first league MVP to never make an Olympic team. She'll be 33 in 2024, and hard to imagine her making her first team then. |
It happens. There are a number of NBA MVPs who never played in the Olympics, like Steph Curry. |
It hasn't happened in the WNBA to this point.
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| Nneka is just unfortunate that she has 3 other MVP players in front of her at the 4 spot. All 3 are playing better then her. Leaving Atkins off the roster wouldnt change the fact that Nneka wouldnt play that much. I get why they still went with Fowles as a natural center to backup Griner.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 4:42 pm ::: |
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| I am both okay with Ogwumike being left off the roster and thoroughly of the opinion that there should be a two-Olympiad limit for Team USA players.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 4:49 pm ::: |
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| I am both okay with Ogwumike being left off the roster and thoroughly of the opinion that there should be a two-Olympiad limit for Team USA players. |
I updated my one-Olympics rosters to include 2021
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?p=1657399#1657399
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| Posted: 06/21/21 4:56 pm ::: |
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| I am both okay with Ogwumike being left off the roster and thoroughly of the opinion that there should be a two-Olympiad limit for Team USA players. |
I am ok with a term limit as well. When you have a talent pool as deep as the USA has, why not take advantage of it? It's not like you all of a sudden wouldn't become a favorite, but you would give more players the chance to represent their country. Also, you will ensure that you can get a mix of vets and newbies to the international game.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 5:16 pm ::: |
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| I am both okay with Ogwumike being left off the roster and thoroughly of the opinion that there should be a two-Olympiad limit for Team USA players. |
I am ok with a term limit as well. When you have a talent pool as deep as the USA has, why not take advantage of it? It's not like you all of a sudden wouldn't become a favorite, but you would give more players the chance to represent their country. Also, you will ensure that you can get a mix of vets and newbies to the international game. |
The idea would last for as long as it took for them to screw one up and lose one. |
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| Posted: 06/21/21 5:30 pm ::: |
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| I am both okay with Ogwumike being left off the roster and thoroughly of the opinion that there should be a two-Olympiad limit for Team USA players. |
I am ok with a term limit as well. When you have a talent pool as deep as the USA has, why not take advantage of it? It's not like you all of a sudden wouldn't become a favorite, but you would give more players the chance to represent their country. Also, you will ensure that you can get a mix of vets and newbies to the international game. |
The idea would last for as long as it took for them to screw one up and lose one. |
That's why it's a two-term limit. One would be extreme.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 5:42 pm ::: |
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| "We can't make room on our roster for all our MVPs" is quite literally a first world problem
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I'm a big Nneka fan so it's obviously disappointing. More so because I think she is an excellent ambassador of the game. Unfortunately, it's just the most dominant position in the game at the moment. The forwards on team USA are considerably "better" than the group of guards. If Stewart or Wilson couldn't make it due to injury, she would be in. You can't even reposition because Fowles, Griner and Charles are arguably 3 of the 4 best U.S. centers ever if we're talking pure talent. It's just the way the cookie crumbles. I do have sympathy though and thought Chiney's piece was spot on.
FWIW Staley's comments do heavily imply that the injury was a major part of her omission and it seems like a lot of facts regarding decision making conversations have not been revealed.
I don't really care about term limits per say. It just doesn't matter to me if players are still arguably the best in their role. Playing international competition and excelling is more difficult than some of ya'll make it out to be. You can't just throw a bunch of 22 year olds on the court and call it a day at this level. Players like Bird and Taurasi have just made it look easy over the last 20 years.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 6:22 pm ::: |
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I'm a big Nneka fan so it's obviously disappointing. More so because I think she is an excellent ambassador of the game. Unfortunately, it's just the most dominant position in the game at the moment. The forwards on team USA are considerably "better" than the group of guards. If Stewart or Wilson couldn't make it due to injury, she would be in. You can't even reposition because Fowles, Griner and Charles are arguably 3 of the 4 best U.S. centers ever if we're talking pure talent. It's just the way the cookie crumbles. I do have sympathy though and thought Chiney's piece was spot on.
FWIW Staley's comments do heavily imply that the injury was a major part of her omission and it seems like a lot of facts regarding decision making conversations have not been revealed.
I don't really care about term limits per say. It just doesn't matter to me if players are still arguably the best in their role. Playing international competition and excelling is more difficult than some of ya'll make it out to be. You can't just throw a bunch of 22 year olds on the court and call it a day at this level. Players like Bird and Taurasi have just made it look easy over the last 20 years. |
Ogwumike’s sister/s and her agent have all confirmed she will be just as healthy and ready to play by Olympics as Taurasi.
Dev Peters has a lot of info on USAWBB in this thread, it is worth a look:
https://twitter.com/mspeters14/status/1407099988388286466?s=21
It includes mention of there being separate activities for UConn and non-UConn Team USA members in London 2012.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 6:38 pm ::: |
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| I don't really care about term limits per say. It just doesn't matter to me if players are still arguably the best in their role. Playing international competition and excelling is more difficult than some of ya'll make it out to be. You can't just throw a bunch of 22 year olds on the court and call it a day at this level. Players like Bird and Taurasi have just made it look easy over the last 20 years. |
To me, that's why they need to keep the team fresh and keep getting more players more experience. When you have the same players for 20 years, then the new crop don't get the chance to play with vets and learn from them. You basically throw them on the court and call it a day at this level.
I'm not saying fully dump the vets, but work in the new generation to play alongside them.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 7:08 pm ::: |
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FWIW Staley's comments do heavily imply that the injury was a major part of her omission and it seems like a lot of facts regarding decision making conversations have not been revealed. |
Nneka hasn’t been very healthy for two years. Plus they left off the beloved Delle Donne for health concerns.
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| You can't just throw a bunch of 22 year olds on the court and call it a day at this level. |
Tell that to the coaches and players of the 2021 AmeriCup roster.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=99706
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| Posted: 06/21/21 7:14 pm ::: |
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Term limits are a silly bandaid for a problem that can be instantly fixed just by selecting players on merit. You shouldn't have to impose some arbitrary limit purely to avoid having to tell someone "Sorry but your value to this basketball team is no longer top-12 level"
As we've said for years, the USA could pick a best 12, leave them at home, send the next-best 12, and still comfortably win gold, so that leaves the selectors free to do whatever they want and still say "We won. This vindicates everything we have done." and get away with having an obviously flawed system.
A small & petty part of me is happy because there's about to be players with more golds than LLL, but it's clearly a bad system right now.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 7:24 pm ::: |
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| Next Olympics will be the one to watch, Bird and taurasi will finally hang it up and let others shine for once. In Jesus name. Amen
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| Posted: 06/21/21 7:24 pm ::: |
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FWIW Staley's comments do heavily imply that the injury was a major part of her omission and it seems like a lot of facts regarding decision making conversations have not been revealed. |
Nneka hasn’t been very healthy for two years. Plus they left off the beloved Delle Donne for health concerns.
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| You can't just throw a bunch of 22 year olds on the court and call it a day at this level. |
Tell that to the coaches and players of the 2021 AmeriCup roster.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=99706 |
Right because that is elite olympic level competition. The Opals have like 9 WNBA players on their roster, one of which dominated at Stanford. One of which is a perennial all-star. Two won the WNBA title last season.
Cambage, Whitcomb and Mitchell would have a field day.
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| Posted: 06/21/21 7:29 pm ::: |
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| Next Olympics will be the one to watch, Bird and taurasi will finally hang it up and let others shine for once. In Jesus name. Amen |
Bold assumption there.
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I guess I was fooled by the whining factor which makes it seem like the players never change. 
