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Posted: 08/18/14 7:30 pm ::: |
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I know this is a natural effect of the database growing and an increased familiarity with the players, but this year's batch o' scores seem to be the most logical matches yet. (Plus, I love seeing some of the old names pop up.) |
I didn't post the old rookies, but the most similar to Anna Cruz is Marta Fernandez. Nobody is within 10 miles of being similar to Dumerc.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 08/18/14 10:10 pm ::: Re: Playing around with similarity scores |
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I always love reading these for a new season, but a question just occurred to me that I hadn't thought to ask before. Why are you comparing based on age? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare based on the number of years in the league? I can see making an exception for someone like Dumerc who has been playing professionally for years, but does one really expect, say, Bria Hartley and Shoni Shimmel to be all that different because one is 21 and the other is 22?
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Posted: 08/18/14 10:35 pm ::: Re: Playing around with similarity scores |
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I always love reading these for a new season, but a question just occurred to me that I hadn't thought to ask before. Why are you comparing based on age? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare based on the number of years in the league? I can see making an exception for someone like Dumerc who has been playing professionally for years, but does one really expect, say, Bria Hartley and Shoni Shimmel to be all that different because one is 21 and the other is 22? |
You wouldn't think so, but when Bill James studied baseball players he found that, on average, a 21 year old rookie would produce about 35% more hits and homers (and everything else) than a 22 year old rookie.
Granted there are any number of reasons why this might not hold true for basketball players or women or the WNBA. Still, it seems likely to me that the difference between one and the other will be more significant than a single year's worth of stats.
In the specific case of Hartley and Schimmel, who were born about four months apart, it may be splitting hairs. They just happen to be on opposite sides of the arbitrary cut off for seasonal age.
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Posted: 08/19/14 12:10 am ::: Re: Playing around with similarity scores |
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You wouldn't think so, but when Bill James studied baseball players he found that, on average, a 21 year old rookie would produce about 35% more hits and homers (and everything else) than a 22 year old rookie.
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To be the same wouldn't a WNBA player have to be able to enter the league at any age (or any age over 17) like in baseball? A 21 year old MLB rookie got pulled up sooner than a 22 year old rookie. In the same way that the better you are in college basketball, the sooner you can get the NBA to draft you. Someone drafted after their freshman year is normally better than someone drafted as a senior.
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Posted: 08/19/14 5:40 am ::: |
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K-Mac in some good company. Tina, Maya.
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Posted: 08/19/14 5:10 pm ::: |
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I was just going to say the same thing. McBride's game is diverse.
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This is probably the most consideration Jamie Cassidy and Angelina Williams will ever get...
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PUmatty
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Posted: 09/14/15 5:03 pm ::: |
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A lot of great stuff ...
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Not exactly a murderers' row of comparisons, is it?
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pilight
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Posted: 09/14/15 5:30 pm ::: |
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A lot of great stuff ...
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Not exactly a murderers' row of comparisons, is it? |
It's still a bad draft...
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Posted: 09/15/15 9:28 am ::: |
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Great work, pilight.
I kept looking for a similarity score that would indicate an exceptional player, but there wasn't one ...
But you never know ... someone could improve like Alysha Clark.
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Posted: 09/15/15 9:43 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
Great work, pilight.
I kept looking for a similarity score that would indicate an exceptional player, but there wasn't one ...
But you never know ... someone could improve like Alysha Clark. |
To become modestly not terrible? Yikes. Alysha Clark is an awfully low bar.
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Posted: 09/15/15 9:52 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
Great work, pilight.
I kept looking for a similarity score that would indicate an exceptional player, but there wasn't one ...
But you never know ... someone could improve like Alysha Clark. |
Achonwa and Gray probably have the best comps, which says a lot about this draft.
Storm fans can't be happy to see LaToya Thomas as one of the top comps for their #1 pick.
Amused that Malott's top two comps are also blonde girls.
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Posted: 09/15/15 10:15 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
Great work, pilight.
I kept looking for a similarity score that would indicate an exceptional player, but there wasn't one ...
But you never know ... someone could improve like Alysha Clark. |
Achonwa and Gray probably have the best comps, which says a lot about this draft.
Storm fans can't be happy to see LaToya Thomas as one of the top comps for their #1 pick.
Amused that Malott's top two comps are also blonde girls. |
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You seem to be pretending now.
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Posted: 09/19/16 7:56 pm ::: |
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Posted: 09/19/16 8:39 pm ::: |
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Of course Cindy Blodgett shows up on Banham's list. Of course.
Is it just me, or is this year's list more circular than usual? Like, Rookie A is similar to Rookie B, so Rookie B is similar to Rookie A?
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Posted: 09/19/16 10:07 pm ::: |
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Queenie wrote: |
Of course Cindy Blodgett shows up on Banham's list. Of course.
Is it just me, or is this year's list more circular than usual? Like, Rookie A is similar to Rookie B, so Rookie B is similar to Rookie A? |
It does sort of seem like they're all similar to Copper
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Posted: 09/19/16 11:03 pm ::: |
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Kahleah Copper is the number 1 match for Courtney Williams, but Williams doesn't appear anywhere on Copper's list. What am I missing?
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Posted: 09/20/16 6:57 am ::: |
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root_thing wrote: |
Kahleah Copper is the number 1 match for Courtney Williams, but Williams doesn't appear anywhere on Copper's list. What am I missing? |
Williams doesn't have many close matches while Copper has a ton
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Posted: 09/20/16 12:50 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
root_thing wrote: |
Kahleah Copper is the number 1 match for Courtney Williams, but Williams doesn't appear anywhere on Copper's list. What am I missing? |
Williams doesn't have many close matches while Copper has a ton |
I kinda miss when you provided the numbers with the lists, or at least the range, so we have some idea how close the toy is.
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I've decided to leave out rookies being similar to other rookies, and rookies who played fewer than 10 games
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992 Angie Hamblin
992 Chrissy Givens
Similar to Shatori Walker-Kimbrough
991 Lisa Willis
990 LaQuanda Barksdale
990 Ukari Figgs
989 Davellyn Whyte
989 Kisha Ford
988 Iziane Castro-Marques
988 Rashanda McCants
988 Nicole Powell
987 Ashley Shields
987 Erlana Larkins
Similar to Kelsey Plum
987 Renee Montgomery
986 Skylar Diggins
984 Alex Bentley
984 Shoni Schimmel
982 Tiffany Hayes
982 Matee Ajavon
981 Jamierra Faulkner
981 Stacey Dales
980 Lindsay Whalen
979 Tamara Moore
Similar to Evelyn Akhator
996 Nyree Roberts
996 Krystal Vaughn
995 Quacy Barnes
995 Chandra Johnson
995 Jill Chapman
994 Abi Olajuwon
994 Anne Marie Armstrong
994 Takeisha Lewis
993 Chelsea Poppens
993 Erika De Souza
Similar to Lindsay Allen
991 Samantha Logic
991 Nikki Blue
990 A'dia Mathies
990 Toccara Williams
989 A'Quonesia Franklin
989 Kelly Miller
988 Tai Dillard
988 Kelly Faris
987 Erin Thorn
987 Coco Miller
Similar to Erica McCall
994 Olayinka Sanni
991 Markeisha Gatling
990 Betnijah Laney
990 Sasha Goodlett
990 Lynn Pride
989 Karima Christmas
989 Amanda Zahui B
988 Tye'sha Fluker
988 Gergana Branzova
988 Jamie Cassidy
Similar to Brionna Jones
994 Kristen Mann
992 Carla Thomas
992 Jamie Cassidy
992 Sasha Goodlett
992 Gergana Branzova
991 Abby Bishop
990 Carolyn Swords
989 Farhiya Abdi
989 Kelly Santos
989 Shanece McKinney
988 Crystal Bradford
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Queenie
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 18078 Location: Queens
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Posted: 09/04/17 11:38 pm ::: |
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Given that it came down to the two of them for a roster spot, Cierra Burdick being on Nayo Raincock-Ekunwe's comp list makes an awful lot of sense.
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ClayK
Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 11232
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Posted: 09/05/17 10:01 am ::: |
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Great stuff, as always, pilight.
Puts things in perspective, though obviously the scores aren't definitive. Still, there's some valuable insight there.
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Randy
Joined: 08 Oct 2011 Posts: 10911
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Posted: 09/05/17 10:58 am ::: |
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I can clearly see the similarities between Sykes and Adams.....
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