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On a happy note, California is vaccinating gorillas...

https://www.businessinsider.com/gorilla-troop-san-diego-zoo-vaccinated-against-coronavirus-2021-3

[tfan]

My nephew is a college student and just got vaccinated in Washington. Went with his mother's over 65 boyfriend to the vaccination place and asked them if they had any extras. They did and he got it. And he left with an appointment for the second shot. He said he heard that they take the vaccine out of the freezer and if someone doesn't show up it spoils after a few hours. Seems like they would have ways to prevent that, but for some reason they vaccinated a healthy 20 year old without an appointment.

Altogether, 69% of U.S. adults surveyed by the Pew Research Center now intend to become vaccinated.

[jammerbirdi]

This is not whiny, winder.

You just about read my mind and my situation. I’m 63. Two heart conditions. One foot left of colon. I dropped 45 pounds so I was no longer obese at my last doctors appointment but I’ve gained ten back so whatever that means I’m sure isn’t helpful. And there is absolutely nothing that suggests I’ll be getting my first vaccine before summer. While we are now vaccinating strapping young people. I mean it is just as politically messy as I thought it might get when I started this thread.

I have more info though but I’ll have to listen to the AM radio and transcribe it but someone was just on KNX explaining how absolutely impossible (my characterization) it will be to manage or verify this 16-64 tier and whether they indeed meet the medical criteria. He said maybe a note from your doctor but that could be faked. He said the best solution would be for your primary doctor or medical group to determine your eligibility and administer the vaccines in their offices.

Which should have been happening already where possible but with the J&J stab that may be more easily accomplished.

I too am not the type to make a stink and, again, I’m not eligible anyway, but that’s kind of the fucked up part of it. This thing with the schools is all politics.

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Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17

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I hope you can get it soon jammer. If you haven't already, this website lets you register and they claim they will let you know when you are eligible:

https://myturn.ca.gov/

I wonder if they are mostly bypassing "get it from your doctor or medical group" route (at least in my county) so that they can be sure that the vaccine is equally available to poor people who may not have health insurance and don't have a regular doctor they see. But that does make it difficult, if not impossible, for someone at the county fairgrounds or the football stadium to verify if someone has medical conditions that should move them up in the sequence.

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[gpark33]

Jammer, is the state the reason you can't get vaccinated? My wife has an auto immune disorder and I have asthma. We both got appointments for this month fairly easily in NYC.

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[jammerbirdi]

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[jammerbirdi]

Okay this is crazy and NO ONE is going to believe me.

So I sent my primary care physician a message very briefly expressing that I am now confused about when I might get a jab. I reminded her, because she is a new doctor for me, of my various health conditions. Which, honestly, I don’t really even think about 99.99% of the time.

So she directed me to the county coronavirus website.

And I read, once again, the more dire list and descriptions of the health problems that would qualify a person between the ages of 16-64 to get a shot... whenever the state finally gets around to vaccinating those in that category here. I say here because I think that some of you have already received your shots based on you being in those categories.

So I wanted to copy and paste them here and I went just now to the page where I read them (and I’d read them before elsewhere) and I can’t find them. I don’t believe they are still there anywhere on the county’s coronavirus website. Like they’ve vanished. There is only this bit of flippant confusion.

“Starting on March 15th, the state is most likely going to allow healthcare providers to start vaccinating persons age 16-64 who have certain severe health conditions that put them at the highest risk of getting very sick from COVID-19. After that, the state will probably move to an age-based strategy. We will share more information when it is available from the CDC and the State.”

I think the link to the page where the severe health conditions were specified was contained in that paragraph. But, at least as far as I can see, it’s gone.

So, that’s weird. Removed from LA County’s coronavirus page. So I found it on the state site.

See if these are different from the state or counties that you guys live in.

Cancer, current with debilitated or immunocompromised state

Chronic kidney disease, stage 4 or above

Chronic pulmonary disease, oxygen dependent

Down syndrome

Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from solid organ transplant

Pregnancy

Sickle cell disease

Heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies (excludes hypertension)

Severe obesity (Body Mass Index ≥ 40 kg/m2)

Type 2 diabetes mellitus with hemoglobin A1c level greater than 7.5%


So just a couple of quick comments. Excludes hypertension? LOL. I guess it’s not one of the main comorbidities. A weakened immune system but only due to a solid organ transplant? CURRENT cancer. Stage 4 kidney disease. And only oxygen dependent pulmonary disease. Class 4 obese? Sorry. High blood pressure, 64 years old, pulmonary disease but not on oxygen, etc. Too bad you’re not on the docket until possibly summertime.

But here is who California is vaccinating RIGHT NOW.

#7. Cannabis industry employees are included in Phase 1a for medicinal cannabis and Phase 1b Food and Agriculture for growing, production, storage, transport and distribution. Medical cannabis workers should be accommodated as necessary in Phase 1b, Tier 1, by nature of their designations in eligible essential workforce classifications.

#21. Workers supporting veterinary services. Phase 1b, Tier 1 Food & Agricultural workers, includes veterinary work in a wider variety of work settings. In the context of COVID-19 vaccine, the focus for phase 1A is on human-to-human exposures in human clinical settings. As such, veterinary services employees may be more appropriately vaccinated in Phase 1b.

**Persons at risk of occupational exposure to SARS-CoV-2 through their work in any role in the following Education and Child Care settings

All formal and informal childcare workers, including day care providers
All staff in colleges, universities, junior colleges, community colleges, and other postsecondary education facilities
All staff in educational support services and administration
All staff in Pre-kindergarten, elementary, middle, and high schools
All staff in technical and trade schools
Any other workers involved in child and/or student care, including school bus drivers and monitors, crosswalk guards, etc.

Wow.

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Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17

[jammerbirdi]

Oh, one last thing, which is encouraging for the jammer’s predicament.

This paragraph precedes the first of the guidelines I posted in the previous post.

Beginning March 15,healthcare providers may use their clinical judgement to vaccinate individuals age 16-64 who are deemed to be at the very highest risk for morbidity and mortality from COVID-19 as a direct result of one or more of the following severe health conditions:

So my doctor kicked the can down the road and me to the curb. But according to this, she is the ONE who can and should determine whether my health conditions should permit me to get vaccinated.

And, I don’t know if you notice, but it says that healthcare providers blah blah blah can VACCINATE... those they deem worthy of living.

Boy oh boy. Does this fly in the face of the BlueCross taking over ALL vaccinations in the state of California HORSESHIT.

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Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17

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California's not vaccinating smokers?

I'm shocked, shocked to find the politicians in charge of deciding who gets this vital medicine and who doesn't made political decisions about it.

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[jammerbirdi]

I’ve said BlueCross and it’s Blue Shield.

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Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17

[gpark33]

Jammer, this is the NY list. It's much more inclusive than what you posted for CA when it comes to hypertension, autoimmune, and even just obesity.

"New York residents who have:

*Cancer (current or in remission, including 9/11-related cancers)
*Cerebrovascular disease (affects blood vessels and blood supply to the brain)
*Chronic kidney disease
*Heart conditions, including but not limited to heart failure, coronary artery disease, cardiomyopathies or hypertension (high blood pressure)
*Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system), including but not limited to solid organ transplant or from blood or bone marrow transplant, immune deficiencies, HIV, use of corticosteroids, use of other immune weakening medicines or other causes
*Intellectual and developmental disabilities including Down syndrome
*Liver disease
*Neurologic conditions including but not limited to Alzheimer's disease or dementia
*Pulmonary disease, including but not limited to COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease), asthma (moderate-to-severe), pulmonary fibrosis, cystic fibrosis and 9/11-related pulmonary diseases
*Pregnancy
*Severe obesity (body mass index of 40 kg/m2 or higher), obesity (body mass index of between 30 kg/m2 and 40 kg/m2)
*Sickle cell disease or thalassemia
*Type 1 or 2 diabetes mellitus"

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[jammerbirdi]

[jammerbirdi]

So I’m wondering, and you all know I’m incredibly happy that so many here have gotten a jab, but how many of you, looking at the list of qualifying illnesses/severities here in California versus what those lists look like in your own states, would still be waiting for their first shot. I guess that’s a question.

So I would already qualify (for two different reasons) in NY. But unlike recreational cannabis and unlicensed day care workers, and God knows who else, I’m not only not getting vaccinated at this time, I’m not likely to be for potentially months.

Now yes, things could begin to move faster. But what I don’t like is hearing the words “withholding doses.” For any reason. For example. So California is set to receive its largest allotment of vaccine so far this very week coming up: 320K doses. But... they will be withholding about 40% for second doses. Maybe second doses for recreational cannabis workers.

I am going to start working my doctor a little more aggressively. So don’t be surprised if I do get a jab sooner. The state does say that health care providers are, to some extent we can only guess at, going to be making the call as to who among their patients get the shot. Even under California’s stricter list it does indicate, in a very non-specific way, coronary artery disease as a qualifying illness. No guidance on severity.

And honestly, I think that’s where the devil is in the details of what California really is. Because therein lies an area where doctors and more affluent and connected and aggressive patients, like I am about to become, can fly under an umbrella that was placed there just for them to utilize. Or us.

And if you truly believe, as I do, that people who are at a much greater risk of dying of COVID should be getting the vaccine before those who are much less likely of suffering even a severe case because they are not in their 60s, with two heart conditions, etc. then I don’t have any moral or ethical compunctions about pushing my own healthcare provider for a shot.

Fuck this shit.

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Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17

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[gpark33]

Jammer, from what you listed as your health issues, I would not have any thought of any type of compunction for aggressively going after that vaccine. It's insane that the CA parameters are so tight but I'm more surprised that your doctor didn't schedule an appointment to give you the vaccine when you called. Good luck! I hope you are able to get in there soon.


ETA: I also would not qualify in CA and I have an appointment in NY for later this month. Same for my wife but she gets one this week.

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[jammerbirdi]

Thank you, gpark.

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Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17

[insidewinder]

NOT eligible in CA and won't be any time soon as best I can tell. I do not have major health issues aside from hypertension that is well controlled with medication. I suck at viruses though. I catch a cold and it takes me forever to get rid of it. If I got COVID I would probably be sick a long time or end up with that post-COVID "long hauler" syndrome. I was 1C under the first plan. Under NY's plan I think I would have qualified due to the blood pressure issue.