View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
hyperetic
Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 5400 Location: Fayetteville
Back to top |
Posted: 10/14/05 3:27 pm ::: Dress code |
Reply |
|
The NBA markets to the "young and hip" young and hip-type stuff. The same products with which they try to wrench the very last cent out of their fan base with are going to be ruled a violation if worn by their players on the sidelines and at team functions etc etc. Hypocritical much? |
|
Admiral_Needa
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 10481 Location: Tiburon, CA
Back to top |
|
hoopladreams
Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 271 Location: Chicago
Back to top |
|
bballfan2005
Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 25315 Location: Somewhere here and there
Back to top |
Posted: 10/17/05 2:36 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
I'm the fence dweller. On the one hand, I blame the NBA for this mess. If they didn't want to cater to a younger hip-hop audience, they should've said so from the get-go. Don't let NBA players put out rap CDs. Don't allow Jay-Z, Luda, Nelly, Kanye West, etc. put the names of NBA players in their songs or allow them to perform during NBA events such as All-Star Weekend. Don't allow rappers to (partially) own NBA teams (ahem Nelly, Jigga, etc.). Don't allow rap artists to wear NBA players' jerseys.
On the other hand, the players should take it upon themselves to dress accordingly in a place of business. These are grown ass men (18+ years old) we're dealing with...NOT little boys. It's not appropriate for a physician to wear du rags and Timbs when he's on rounds. Likewise, it's inappropriate for female attorneys to wear hoochie shorts and a wife beater when they're in the courtroom. Thus, when one is "on the clock" so to speak, he or she must dress accordingly. When you're on the court, you must wear a uniform. When you're on IR, you're still a part of the team AND, as a professional, you should uphold professionalism at all costs. You wouldn't wear a t-shirt and jeans on the court (and neither would your coach), so don't wear them at the games. Dressing business casual on the sidelines won't hurt these guys. Good gotdamn grief.
Now, requiring the players to dress business casual at community service events is a bit much, Mr. Stern.
_________________ Avatar: The King has his ring!
Mathies to LA 2013
|
|
dtsnms
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 18815
Back to top |
Posted: 10/17/05 3:02 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
Article today on ESPN.com says Stern says they are overreacting.
And as I put in Area 51, my CT compadre Marcus Camby shut the hell up!
"We should get a stipend to buy suits". Sit your $8 million ass in a freaking mall and go buy a suit for when you're injured another 50 times per season.
|
|
bballfan2005
Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 25315 Location: Somewhere here and there
Back to top |
|
hoopladreams
Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 271 Location: Chicago
Back to top |
Posted: 10/18/05 8:42 am ::: |
Reply |
|
The NBA dress code has finally be finalized. Here's an article detailing exactly what is appropriate and what isn't...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Atq5uU7QIZh4Y0GTc3dFaBY5nYcB?slug=nbadresscode&prov=st&type=lgns
Quote: |
According to a memo released Monday, the NBA is moving halfway from hip-hop to haute couture, implementing a "business casual" dress code that bans much of the sportswear favored by its players.
The memo goes into effect November 1 - Opening Night - and bans sleeveless shirts, T-shirts, shorts, sports apparel, headgear, displayed jewelry, sunglasses, headphones, sneakers, sandals and work boots. In most cases, it does not require a sport coat and never requires a tie...
Players at games but not in uniform must also wear a sport coat. Teams are permitted to make their dress codes more formal. |
That's not too bad.
Quote: |
"Dress jeans" are acceptable, although the memo did not indicate what qualifies as "dress jeans." |
Does anyone know what "dress jeans" are or what could be considered "dress jeans." I know for women, dress jeans could be considered designer jeans, but all men's jeans look the same. I'm completely clueless as to what this could mean.
|
|
dtsnms
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 18815
Back to top |
Posted: 10/18/05 9:04 am ::: |
Reply |
|
business casual!
They got themselves so worked up over a pair of freaking chinos!
If ever there was conclusive proof the NBA players need to grow the f- up, this is it!
|
|
pilight
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 67051 Location: Where the action is
Back to top |
Posted: 10/18/05 10:00 am ::: |
Reply |
|
hoopladreams wrote: |
Quote: |
"Dress jeans" are acceptable, although the memo did not indicate what qualifies as "dress jeans." |
Does anyone know what "dress jeans" are or what could be considered "dress jeans." I know for women, dress jeans could be considered designer jeans, but all men's jeans look the same. I'm completely clueless as to what this could mean. |
No holes, no fading, no "chaw rings", no bagging or sagging, not too tight, and long enough to cover the ankles. Often accompanied by the words "no blue denim".
_________________ I'm a lonely frog
I ain't got a home
|
|
hyperetic
Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 5400 Location: Fayetteville
Back to top |
Posted: 10/18/05 2:55 pm ::: another thought |
Reply |
|
Here's another thought. Lets put the shoe on the other foot for a second. Do you think if NBA management was forced to wear baggy, sagging jeans, throwback jerseys, all manner of bling and bandanas, do you think they would balk at the rule or head straight to the nearest hip hop clothing store without a peep? |
|
harlem_basketball
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 2666 Location: Gee I don't know...Harlem maybe?
Back to top |
Posted: 10/18/05 4:50 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
The players are overreacting and the league is fibbing through its teeth. What the players won't say is that you could not play for certain teams long before the dress code was even an issue. For starters, Isiah Thomas and Nate McMillan weren't having it and immediately implemented a dress code everywhere they went. This was made clear to any potential free agent or traded player upon arrival.
Some players like Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Oakley, Kevin Willis and Alonzo Mourning were notorious for criticizing players on their teams who didn't wear suits to the point where guys caved in to the peer pressure.
Pat Riley's old Knicks and Lakers had harsher dress codes than this one. Not to mention Pat would bench you if you didn't comply whereas the league will simply hand down fines these guys will pay in their sleep. They'll eat the fines for as many games as they want just like Jordan did when the league banned his sneakers.
What the league won't say is that it is all about image. It always has been since the day Jordan became an influence on entire economies and David Stern's eyes turned green. The league doesn't give a damn about looking professional for the fans. This is not about the fans preferences or the players' right to express themselves. It never is with the NBA. This is about sponsorship dollars which were going elsewhere because of the disconnect between the players and the NBA's partners. Ratings went down, thus an increase in corporate "moral standards" and a decrease in sponsorships and ad revenue. The NBA is protecting its business interests.
|
|
dtsnms
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 18815
Back to top |
Posted: 10/18/05 4:53 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
harlem_basketball wrote: |
The players are overreacting and the league is fibbing through its teeth. What the players won't say is that you could not play for certain teams long before the dress code was even an issue. For starters, Isiah Thomas and Nate McMillan weren't having it and immediately implemented a dress code everywhere they went. This was made clear to any potential free agent or traded player upon arrival.
Some players like Shaquille O'Neal, Charles Oakley, Kevin Willis and Alonzo Mourning were notorious for criticizing players on their teams who didn't wear suits to the point where guys caved in to the peer pressure.
Pat Riley's old Knicks and Lakers had harsher dress codes than this one. Not to mention Pat would bench you if you didn't comply whereas the league will simply hand down fines these guys will pay in their sleep. They'll eat the fines for as many games as they want just like Jordan did when the league banned his sneakers.
What the league won't say is that it is all about image. It always has been since the day Jordan became an influence on entire economies and David Stern's eyes turned green. The league doesn't give a damn about looking professional for the fans. This is not about the fans preferences or the players' right to express themselves. It never is with the NBA. This is about sponsorship dollars which were going elsewhere because of the disconnect between the players and the NBA's partners. Ratings went down, thus an increase in corporate "moral standards" and a decrease in sponsorships and ad revenue. The NBA is protecting its business interests. |
Extremely well put.
|
|
Admiral_Needa
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 10481 Location: Tiburon, CA
Back to top |
|
RM619
Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 958 Location: Southern Calif.
Back to top |
|
hyperetic
Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 5400 Location: Fayetteville
Back to top |
Posted: 10/19/05 12:27 pm ::: Here's something I found. . . |
Reply |
|
Here's a little bit of info that I found.
Quote: |
"InsideHoops.com polled the national NBA fan base and asked: As a fan who watches players enter/leave the arena, do TV interviews, etc., what do you want to see the players wear? Final results of over 1,000 votes: 29% voted for "Shirt and tie, suits, etc." and 71% voted for "Whatever style the player chooses." So, clearly, NBA fans in general are not in favor of the new NBA dress code." InsideHoops.com
|
|
|
dtsnms
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 18815
Back to top |
Posted: 10/19/05 12:30 pm ::: Re: Here's something I found. . . |
Reply |
|
hyperetic wrote: |
Here's a little bit of info that I found.
Quote: |
"InsideHoops.com polled the national NBA fan base and asked: As a fan who watches players enter/leave the arena, do TV interviews, etc., what do you want to see the players wear? Final results of over 1,000 votes: 29% voted for "Shirt and tie, suits, etc." and 71% voted for "Whatever style the player chooses." So, clearly, NBA fans in general are not in favor of the new NBA dress code." InsideHoops.com
|
|
That's who goes to insidehoops.com. Now ask the average age and annual income. I would think it's not the corporate sponsors Stern is trying to get to.
|
|
hyperetic
Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 5400 Location: Fayetteville
Back to top |
Posted: 10/19/05 12:31 pm ::: All good points |
Reply |
|
All good points, but is it fair, a case of whoever controls the money makes the rules? |
|
Admiral_Needa
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 10481 Location: Tiburon, CA
Back to top |
Posted: 10/19/05 12:36 pm ::: Re: Here's something I found. . . |
Reply |
|
hyperetic wrote: |
Here's a little bit of info that I found.
Quote: |
"InsideHoops.com polled the national NBA fan base and asked: As a fan who watches players enter/leave the arena, do TV interviews, etc., what do you want to see the players wear? Final results of over 1,000 votes: 29% voted for "Shirt and tie, suits, etc." and 71% voted for "Whatever style the player chooses." So, clearly, NBA fans in general are not in favor of the new NBA dress code." InsideHoops.com
|
|
Indeed It's also fun to see all the trends too, especially over the years as they change... It also helps with the shopping, at least for me. When I was in Vegas, I picked up something that I remembered Rashard Lewis wearing to one of the Sonics games. I still say that everybody should protest by wearing a tuxedo to the games...
hyperetic wrote: |
All good points, but is it fair, a case of whoever controls the money makes the rules? |
Well one thing's for sure... I imagine that sales of jerseys on NBA.com will go down...
_________________ 2002 WNBA Virtual GM Overall Winner
2006 WNBA Triple Threat Overall Winner
2007 NBA ESPN Fast Break Overall Winner
|
|
dtsnms
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 18815
Back to top |
Posted: 10/19/05 12:48 pm ::: Re: All good points |
Reply |
|
hyperetic wrote: |
All good points, but is it fair, a case of whoever controls the money makes the rules? |
absolutely it's whoever controls the money makes the rules. No question, but I ask you, when isn't it when it comes to pro sports?
The athletes want to make big bucks. The big bucks come from attendance and corporate sponsorships. They've got attendance, now Stern wants to work on the sponsorships. You want to take the money, you play by the man's rules. End of story.
And fairness never enters into it; especially when you're dealing with adults making $8 million per year.
|
|
Admiral_Needa
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 10481 Location: Tiburon, CA
Back to top |
|
dtsnms
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 18815
Back to top |
|
Admiral_Needa
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 10481 Location: Tiburon, CA
Back to top |
|
dtsnms
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 18815
Back to top |
|
Admiral_Needa
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 10481 Location: Tiburon, CA
Back to top |
|
dtsnms
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 18815
Back to top |
Posted: 10/19/05 2:18 pm ::: |
Reply |
|
and the league isn't requiring shirt and tie; business casual, with a jacket only on the bench.
|
|
|
|