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| I’m expecting a few trades to happen that for a few teams the protected list won’t even matter.
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| Posted: 09/30/24 8:16 pm ::: |
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| Still strongly opposed to the notion of an expansion team being allowed to draft an unrestricted free agent, core designation or not. That violates the spirit of free agency, IMO. |
If I understand that release, they can draft and core that player, so really it's just an extension of the coring part of the CBA.
But six protected players ... how many seventh players are capable of starting?
And then there will be two more expansion drafts ...
So all those who say there's plenty of talent, please tell me which players that will be available in the draft (only one UFA, mind you) can start for an average team in the W? |
The last expansion team was in the playoffs in their second season and the finals in their third, and that was without meaningful free agency.. I doubt the talent pool is thinner now than then.
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| Posted: 09/30/24 8:19 pm ::: |
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| The last expansion team was in the playoffs in their second season and the finals in their third, and that was without meaningful free agency.. I doubt the talent pool is thinner now than then. |
Is there an Angel McCoughtry v2.0 that's expected to be on the board in 2026?
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| Posted: 09/30/24 8:31 pm ::: |
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| The last expansion team was in the playoffs in their second season and the finals in their third, and that was without meaningful free agency.. I doubt the talent pool is thinner now than then. |
Is there an Angel McCoughtry v2.0 that's expected to be on the board in 2026? |
Very few thought 1.0 was going to turn out as well as she did based on her college career. A whole bunch of people didn't even think she should be the #1 pick in the draft.
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| Posted: 09/30/24 8:44 pm ::: |
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| The last expansion team was in the playoffs in their second season and the finals in their third, and that was without meaningful free agency.. I doubt the talent pool is thinner now than then. |
Is there an Angel McCoughtry v2.0 that's expected to be on the board in 2026? |
Very few thought 1.0 was going to turn out as well as she did based on her college career. A whole bunch of people didn't even think she should be the #1 pick in the draft. |
I never understood this. She was clearly an extremely talented, and the personality complains seemed to be very overblown..
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| Posted: 10/01/24 9:25 am ::: |
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| When can teams start signing up free agents?
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So this is what's being saiud: " Teams will submit roster lists that include which players the franchise has rights to on the final day of the 2024 regular season."
My understanding is that teams don't have rights to UFAs, so how can they be on the list?
Or, more likely, I don't understand it.
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So this is what's being saiud: " Teams will submit roster lists that include which players the franchise has rights to on the final day of the 2024 regular season."
My understanding is that teams don't have rights to UFAs, so how can they be on the list?
Or, more likely, I don't understand it. |
They may have the right to core them. Coring decisions aren't made until later.
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| Posted: 10/01/24 11:13 am ::: |
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So this is what's being saiud: " Teams will submit roster lists that include which players the franchise has rights to on the final day of the 2024 regular season."
My understanding is that teams don't have rights to UFAs, so how can they be on the list?
Or, more likely, I don't understand it. |
They may have the right to core them. Coring decisions aren't made until later. |
That makes sense. So uncoreable players, though, could not be on the list?
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| Posted: 10/01/24 11:53 am ::: |
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So this is what's being saiud: " Teams will submit roster lists that include which players the franchise has rights to on the final day of the 2024 regular season."
My understanding is that teams don't have rights to UFAs, so how can they be on the list?
Or, more likely, I don't understand it. |
They may have the right to core them. Coring decisions aren't made until later. |
That makes sense. So uncoreable players, though, could not be on the list? |
I believe that's correct
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| Posted: 10/01/24 12:20 pm ::: |
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So this is what's being saiud: " Teams will submit roster lists that include which players the franchise has rights to on the final day of the 2024 regular season."
My understanding is that teams don't have rights to UFAs, so how can they be on the list?
Or, more likely, I don't understand it. |
They may have the right to core them. Coring decisions aren't made until later. |
That makes sense. So uncoreable players, though, could not be on the list? |
I believe that's correct |
That was my read on the situation.
Time to go refresh on who is and is not coreable!
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| Posted: 10/01/24 8:24 pm ::: |
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So this is what's being saiud: " Teams will submit roster lists that include which players the franchise has rights to on the final day of the 2024 regular season."
My understanding is that teams don't have rights to UFAs, so how can they be on the list?
Or, more likely, I don't understand it. |
They may have the right to core them. Coring decisions aren't made until later. |
The release says that if GS selects a UFA in the expansion draft, then GS "may then designate that player as its one Core Player in January." So, GS can draft a UFA and then elect not to core her? If they don't core the player, wouldn't that make her a UFA available to be signed by any team?
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| Posted: 10/01/24 8:38 pm ::: |
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So this is what's being saiud: " Teams will submit roster lists that include which players the franchise has rights to on the final day of the 2024 regular season."
My understanding is that teams don't have rights to UFAs, so how can they be on the list?
Or, more likely, I don't understand it. |
They may have the right to core them. Coring decisions aren't made until later. |
The release says that if GS selects a UFA in the expansion draft, then GS "may then designate that player as its one Core Player in January." So, GS can draft a UFA and then elect not to core her? If they don't core the player, wouldn't that make her a UFA available to be signed by any team? |
I guess they could, but I'm not sure why they would.
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| Posted: 10/01/24 8:59 pm ::: |
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So this is what's being saiud: " Teams will submit roster lists that include which players the franchise has rights to on the final day of the 2024 regular season."
My understanding is that teams don't have rights to UFAs, so how can they be on the list?
Or, more likely, I don't understand it. |
They may have the right to core them. Coring decisions aren't made until later. |
The release says that if GS selects a UFA in the expansion draft, then GS "may then designate that player as its one Core Player in January." So, GS can draft a UFA and then elect not to core her? If they don't core the player, wouldn't that make her a UFA available to be signed by any team? |
I guess they could, but I'm not sure why they would. |
Right? Seems highly likely that GS would select a UFA in the expansion draft only if they intended to core her. So a team would want to protect one of its soon-to-be UFAs only if there was a decent chance GS would want to core her. For example, I would find very little risk in leaving, say, Whitcomb or Vivians unprotected. I don't see Muhl being available in the expansion draft.
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| Posted: 10/01/24 9:38 pm ::: |
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| Yes, it appears probably legal to take their one UFA in the expansion draft and then not core them, but the language varies because it's basically assumed that they would then core them. Because there's essentially no point in taking the UFA if you're not going to subsequently core them. |
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| Posted: 10/01/24 10:11 pm ::: |
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If GS takes a RFA or Reserved players would those players have the same status in GS.
For example GS selects Marine Johannes from NY and D. Evans from Chicago would Johannes then be reserved in GS (only allowed to negotiate with GS) and Evans be a RFA with GS (Must be given a qualifying offer by GS, can sign a contract anywhere but GS can opt to match if Evans sign elsewhere)? or would they have to core a RFA or Reserved player after selecting them I they are unprotected by their current team?
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| Posted: 10/01/24 11:18 pm ::: |
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| Yes, they are essentially drafting those rights. They just move from team to team. |
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| Posted: 10/01/24 11:36 pm ::: |
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Who will be protected?
I will admit I did this quickly without considering all aspects of free agency, but here are my off the cuff choices:
ATLANTA
Canada
Coffey
Gray
Hillman
Howard
Parker-Tyus
CHICAGO
Cardoso
Carter
Davis
Onyenwere
Reese
Williams
CONNECTICUT
Burton
Carrington
Harris
Mabrey
Nelson-Ododa
Thomas
DALLAS
Howard
McCowan
Oguhbpwale
Sabally
Sheldon
Siegrist
INDIANA
Boston
Clark
Dantas
Hull
Mitchell
Smith
LAS VEGAS
Bell
Gray
Hayes
Plum
Wilson
Young
LOS ANGELES
Brink
Cooke
Hamby
Jackson
Stevens
Yueru
MINNESOTA
Carleton
Collier
McBride
Miller
Smith
Williams
NEW YORK
Fiebich
Ionescu
Jones
Laney-Hamilton
Sabally
Stewart
PHOENIX
Billings
Cloud
Copper
Cunningham
Griner
Mack
SEATTLE
Diggins-Smith
Horston
Loyd
Magbegor
Ogwumike
Williams
WASHINGTON
Atkins
Austin
Edwards
Enstler
Kone
Melbourne
I'm sore I missed on a few but I think it is a good starting point. I would like other people's thoughts.
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SEATTLE
Diggins-Smith
Horston
Loyd
Magbegor
Ogwumike
Williams
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Ogwumike will be a UFA and can no longer be cored. There is no reason to protect her.
Williams will be a UFA. She has expressed her desire not to be cored, and I presume the Storm will honor that request. If GS is paying attention, I doubt they draft her because if they try to core her, she may just as well stay in France. It's possible that the Storm decide to protect her, though, on the off chance that she would be willing to play for GS.
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Doing it slightly differently trying to get a few options from each team on who will be available
Atl
H. Jones, I. Rupert, Pouch or Borlase, Amihere
Chi
Banham, Jefferson, Maybe D. Evans
Conn
Burton, Lacan,
Dallas
One of K. Brown, Siegrist, Sheldon or Soares will be unprotected, Kuier
(Does Dallas have to core Sabally to have her be protected?)
Indy
Maybe Wheeler, maybe KLS, Maybe Hull, Berger, Wallace
(does Indy have to core K. Mitchell to have her be protected?)
LV
Maybe Martin, Maybe Kitely, Maybe Stokes, Egbo
(as above with others does Plum have to be cored to be protected?)
LA
It is really hard to figure out what LA will do
Burrell, Brown, Clarendon, Cooke, Yueru if she is still considered reserved
Minny
one of Diamond Miller or Juhasz misses the protection cut, maybe Sheppard
NY
Maybe N. Sabally, Davis, Johannes, Han Xu
PX
Mack, Osborne, Taylor
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Wash
Kone, Melbourne, Engstler
I didn't list any UFA that GS or their current team wouldn't core if they had to still a little confused about someone like Billings. I do not think PX or GS would core Billings so I'm not sure if their is any reason for GS to take her or PX to protect her as I assume if she wouldn't be core she would still be an UFA and could negotiate with anyone whether she was picked or not. Is that right?
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| Posted: 10/02/24 1:07 am ::: |
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WASHINGTON
Atkins
Austin
Edwards
Enstler
Kone
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I assume that Washington still has the rights to EDD, right?
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| Posted: 10/02/24 4:01 am ::: |
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Doing it slightly differently trying to get a few options from each team on who will be available
Atl
H. Jones, I. Rupert, Pouch or Borlase, Amihere
Chi
Banham, Jefferson, Maybe D. Evans
Conn
Burton, Lacan,
Dallas
One of K. Brown, Siegrist, Sheldon or Soares will be unprotected, Kuier
(Does Dallas have to core Sabally to have her be protected?)
Indy
Maybe Wheeler, maybe KLS, Maybe Hull, Berger, Wallace
(does Indy have to core K. Mitchell to have her be protected?)
LV
Maybe Martin, Maybe Kitely, Maybe Stokes, Egbo
(as above with others does Plum have to be cored to be protected?)
LA
It is really hard to figure out what LA will do
Burrell, Brown, Clarendon, Cooke, Yueru if she is still considered reserved
Minny
one of Diamond Miller or Juhasz misses the protection cut, maybe Sheppard
NY
Maybe N. Sabally, Davis, Johannes, Han Xu
PX
Mack, Osborne, Taylor
Sea
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Wash
Kone, Melbourne, Engstler
I didn't list any UFA that GS or their current team wouldn't core if they had to still a little confused about someone like Billings. I do not think PX or GS would core Billings so I'm not sure if their is any reason for GS to take her or PX to protect her as I assume if she wouldn't be core she would still be an UFA and could negotiate with anyone whether she was picked or not. Is that right? |
I don’t think a player needs to be cored to be protected, but it would see a bit silly to use a spot for a player that may leave on their own anyways when you can use it on someone else, so I’d imagine unless you have no good options you would plan to core an unrestricted free agent you are protecting. Or there’s an agreement that the player will re-sign when the time comes.
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Golden State has a lot to offer UFAs ... especially if the math works and they can sign two max players. How about Nneka and Brionna Jones as building blocks?
But shooters are the key, and nobody is leaving them unprotected.
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Golden State has a lot to offer UFAs ... especially if the math works and they can sign two max players. How about Nneka and Brionna Jones as building blocks?
But shooters are the key, and nobody is leaving them unprotected. |
But what high end UFA with options will want to go to an expansion team.
What they might be able to do, though, is attract more borderline cases by overpaying. How much money might you give, say, Diamond Deshields for a year to see if she has any potential to get back to a higher-end player?
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