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Howee
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Posted: 04/11/24 7:59 pm ::: |
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Yeah, well... And can Caldwell recruid anyone better than Striplin, Darby, and Puckett? I have my doubts. |
You're EVER the Optimist, sbt....instead of "the glass half full/half empty", it's just busted! I know you bleed Orange, but honestly....this could be a great thing in the making. I usta think Sherri Coale was IT, but Jenny B (who, admittedly, has had more D1 esperience) has made Oklahoma better than it's been in ages.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 04/12/24 12:15 pm ::: |
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Howee wrote: |
summertime blues wrote: |
Yeah, well... And can Caldwell recruid anyone better than Striplin, Darby, and Puckett? I have my doubts. |
You're EVER the Optimist, sbt....instead of "the glass half full/half empty", it's just busted! I know you bleed Orange, but honestly....this could be a great thing in the making. I usta think Sherri Coale was IT, but Jenny B (who, admittedly, has had more D1 esperience) has made Oklahoma better than it's been in ages. |
Apples and oranges, m'dear. Big time.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 04/12/24 12:15 pm ::: |
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Howee wrote: |
summertime blues wrote: |
Yeah, well... And can Caldwell recruid anyone better than Striplin, Darby, and Puckett? I have my doubts. |
You're EVER the Optimist, sbt....instead of "the glass half full/half empty", it's just busted! I know you bleed Orange, but honestly....this could be a great thing in the making. I usta think Sherri Coale was IT, but Jenny B (who, admittedly, has had more D1 esperience) has made Oklahoma better than it's been in ages. |
Apples and oranges, m'dear. Big time.
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Ex-Ref
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Posted: 04/12/24 2:12 pm ::: |
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summertime blues wrote: |
Howee wrote: |
summertime blues wrote: |
Yeah, well... And can Caldwell recruid anyone better than Striplin, Darby, and Puckett? I have my doubts. |
You're EVER the Optimist, sbt....instead of "the glass half full/half empty", it's just busted! I know you bleed Orange, but honestly....this could be a great thing in the making. I usta think Sherri Coale was IT, but Jenny B (who, admittedly, has had more D1 esperience) has made Oklahoma better than it's been in ages. |
Apples and oranges, m'dear. Big time. |
Now who's double talkin'?
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summertime blues
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Posted: 04/13/24 4:58 pm ::: |
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summertime blues wrote: |
Howee wrote: |
summertime blues wrote: |
Yeah, well... And can Caldwell recruid anyone better than Striplin, Darby, and Puckett? I have my doubts. |
You're EVER the Optimist, sbt....instead of "the glass half full/half empty", it's just busted! I know you bleed Orange, but honestly....this could be a great thing in the making. I usta think Sherri Coale was IT, but Jenny B (who, admittedly, has had more D1 esperience) has made Oklahoma better than it's been in ages. |
Apples and oranges, m'dear. Big time. |
Now who's double talkin'? |
Jennie Baranczyk had more experience with better programs before taking the helm at Oklahoma. She was an assistant at Kansas State under Deb Patterson for 2 years, during which time K-State won the WNIT. She was then an assistant at Marquette under Terri Mitchell for 4 years, Where she helped with recruiting, game scheduling, opponent scouting, and public relations. In 2010, she was Linda Lappe's first hire as AC at Colorado. She was hired as head coach at Drake in 2012, where she remained for nine years and built the team into a MVC powerhouse. She was named head coach at Oklahoma in 2021 and had been successful there ever since.
Contrast this with the comparatively meager experience of Caldwell, who was a GA at Ohio Valley and an AC at Sacramento State (can't find dates for those). In 2016 she was named head coach at her alma mater, D-II Glenville State (WV) and led them to one national championship (2022) and one Final Four (2023). She was then named HC at Marshall where she was for one season and won the Sun Belt tournament, went to the NCAA and got their butts kicked in the first round.
So yeah, apples and oranges. Jennie Baranczyk earned her position, Kim did not.
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Howee
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Posted: 04/13/24 5:28 pm ::: |
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summertime blues wrote: |
So yeah, apples and oranges. Jennie Baranczyk earned her position, Kim did not. |
Okay. Let's throw a pomegranite into the comparative analysis:
Jennie, despite her stellar resume, has yet to approach the heights to which Sherri Coale led Oklahoma.
SHERRI COALE HAD ZERO D1 EXPERIENCE. Her only coaching experience was 6 years of high school ball. Period. With that pathetically limited resume, Sherri led them to numerous Big 12 titles (league and tournament) and several Final Fours, earning HOF status along the way.
Good progress isn't ALWAYS a product of a fab resume.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 04/13/24 5:57 pm ::: |
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Howee wrote: |
summertime blues wrote: |
So yeah, apples and oranges. Jennie Baranczyk earned her position, Kim did not. |
Okay. Let's throw a pomegranite into the comparative analysis:
Jennie, despite her stellar resume, has yet to approach the heights to which Sherri Coale led Oklahoma.
SHERRI COALE HAD ZERO D1 EXPERIENCE. Her only coaching experience was 6 years of high school ball. Period. With that pathetically limited resume, Sherri led them to numerous Big 12 titles (league and tournament) and several Final Fours, earning HOF status along the way.
Good progress isn't ALWAYS a product of a fab resume. |
And times were different. Women's basketball has come a long way. Sherri didn't or couldn't keep up, apparently. And Jennie has done a lot in a little time. What I've seen of Kim does not make me trust her with a program like Tennessee.
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Posted: 04/13/24 6:11 pm ::: |
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summertime blues wrote: |
Howee wrote: |
summertime blues wrote: |
So yeah, apples and oranges. Jennie Baranczyk earned her position, Kim did not. |
Okay. Let's throw a pomegranite into the comparative analysis:
Jennie, despite her stellar resume, has yet to approach the heights to which Sherri Coale led Oklahoma.
SHERRI COALE HAD ZERO D1 EXPERIENCE. Her only coaching experience was 6 years of high school ball. Period. With that pathetically limited resume, Sherri led them to numerous Big 12 titles (league and tournament) and several Final Fours, earning HOF status along the way.
Good progress isn't ALWAYS a product of a fab resume. |
And times were different. Women's basketball has come a long way. Sherri didn't or couldn't keep up, apparently. And Jennie has done a lot in a little time. What I've seen of Kim does not make me trust her with a program like Tennessee. |
Who would you trust? That TN would have a reasonable chance of getting?
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Howee
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Posted: 04/13/24 7:26 pm ::: |
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And times were different. |
....which could also be said of how/why Pat could create the dynasty she did. AND....it's part of why no one else can re-create that effect.
Re: Sherri - things were not THAT different than now. TN & UConn were already in the prime of their dynastic rules. Stanford, Texas, Duke and Vanderbilt were huge. It wasn't the *old* days of Immaculata and West Chester. OK took a (well) calculated risk on Sherri. Sometimes....it pays off.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 04/13/24 9:31 pm ::: |
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Ex-Ref wrote: |
summertime blues wrote: |
Howee wrote: |
summertime blues wrote: |
So yeah, apples and oranges. Jennie Baranczyk earned her position, Kim did not. |
Okay. Let's throw a pomegranite into the comparative analysis:
Jennie, despite her stellar resume, has yet to approach the heights to which Sherri Coale led Oklahoma.
SHERRI COALE HAD ZERO D1 EXPERIENCE. Her only coaching experience was 6 years of high school ball. Period. With that pathetically limited resume, Sherri led them to numerous Big 12 titles (league and tournament) and several Final Fours, earning HOF status along the way.
Good progress isn't ALWAYS a product of a fab resume. |
And times were different. Women's basketball has come a long way. Sherri didn't or couldn't keep up, apparently. And Jennie has done a lot in a little time. What I've seen of Kim does not make me trust her with a program like Tennessee. |
Who would? That TN would have a reasonable chance of getting? |
It's kind of moot now, isn't it? But I would have been much happier with a coach who has a proven D-I record, not some flash in the pan one. Tennessee should have jumped on Kenny Brooks before Kentucky did, but they didn't, which tells me they weren't interested in a male coach, so, someone of the caliber of Megan Duffy, since Teri Moren didn't seem interested in leaving Indiana, or even Marisa Moseley, since Wisconsin seems to be a dead end. Or Maybe someone like Carla Berube. At least someone with more D-I experience, and preferably more experience, period, than Kim has.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 04/13/24 9:31 pm ::: |
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This is ridiculous. Duplicate post...AGAIN! Sorry.
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PRballer
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Posted: 05/16/24 8:48 am ::: |
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Wow. Classy folks. Some of the writing of the most vulgar emails - tone and word choice - included in the article look oddly familiar…
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Queenie
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Posted: 05/16/24 9:12 am ::: |
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summertime blues wrote: |
It's kind of moot now, isn't it? But I would have been much happier with a coach who has a proven D-I record, not some flash in the pan one. Tennessee should have jumped on Kenny Brooks before Kentucky did, but they didn't, which tells me they weren't interested in a male coach, so, someone of the caliber of Megan Duffy, since Teri Moren didn't seem interested in leaving Indiana, or even Marisa Moseley, since Wisconsin seems to be a dead end. Or Maybe someone like Carla Berube. At least someone with more D-I experience, and preferably more experience, period, than Kim has. |
Since this thread has risen from the dead: the scuttlebutt around VT is that Kentucky had jumped on Brooks during and possibly before the tournament, so Tennessee would not have had a chance. Moseley and Berube are both off the UConn tree, and maybe the bad blood has cooled enough that that's not a disqualifying factor, but maybe it still is.
And we know, or at least the gossip knows, that both Moren and Lawson told UT "nah, I'm good where I am". Part of me wonders how many other coaches were ready to say the same thing. And maybe that's the disconnect between who Tennessee thinks they still are and who they are to everyone else. (FWIW... I don't think Harper was the right coach for this team. But I also don't know if firing her was the right play.)
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PUmatty
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Posted: 05/16/24 9:44 am ::: |
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What about Lindy LaRoche. I have been surprised she hasn't been poached from UNLV as she seems pretty clearly to be the best young coach ready to make the leap to a major program.
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tfan
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Posted: 05/16/24 12:13 pm ::: Re: Here's who Tennessee fans told Danny White to hire as La |
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I suspect that there would have been more protest had they hired Bruce Loudermilk, Alex Piccirillo, Alex McLean or Jerry Kidd. But Kidd and McClean have coached at a level above college. And Piccirillo and NILs would be a great match. Not sure about Loudermilk but he is from the south.
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Posted: 05/16/24 2:23 pm ::: |
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Wow. Classy folks. Some of the writing of the most vulgar emails - tone and word choice - included in the article look oddly familiar…
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calbearman76
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Posted: 05/16/24 4:05 pm ::: |
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My favorite quote:
“Just remember you can be ‘fired to’ seen many ADs come and go at Tennessee,” the fan told White in an email. “Orange nation can be hard on low down pieces (expletive) like you. Way to go (expletive).”
I can't wait to see how any fan base of a Power 4 (goodbye Pac12) school would react to an AD being fired over a women's basketball coach.
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scullyfu
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Posted: 05/19/24 6:39 am ::: |
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I’m surprised that there’s been no mention of Kelly getting another hc job. Or is she taking off time to spend with her family& just try to recharge for a gig next year?
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Posted: 05/21/24 4:18 pm ::: |
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I’m surprised that there’s been no mention of Kelly getting another hc job. Or is she taking off time to spend with her family& just try to recharge for a gig next year? |
I think she would be good at a smaller division 1 or possibly even a Big east school where the requirement for big time talent is not that high of an expectation .
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summertime blues
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Posted: 05/22/24 11:42 am ::: |
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scullyfu wrote: |
I’m surprised that there’s been no mention of Kelly getting another hc job. Or is she taking off time to spend with her family& just try to recharge for a gig next year? |
I think she would be good at a smaller division 1 or possibly even a Big east school where the requirement for big time talent is not that high of an expectation . |
Really? She did damn well in the transfer portal, if I could remind you. Rickea Jackson, Jewel Spear, Destinee Wells (who unfortunately got injured). Not that badly with recruits either, although you may not like Striplin (now departed), Puckett, and T. Darby. Just not well enough in the SEC or the NCAA to suit you. I'm waiting to see the new coach fall flat on her cute little face.
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Howee
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Posted: 05/22/24 3:25 pm ::: |
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. I'm waiting to see the new coach fall flat on her cute little face. |
And might that make you feel, what....Proud, Better....?
You and your pissy attitude are such incredibly shitty reps for what TN once was. That's not what Vol Nation is, and Pat might tell you that to your face, if she were alive. That's not "loyalty", that's just bitching.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 05/22/24 6:19 pm ::: |
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Howee wrote: |
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. I'm waiting to see the new coach fall flat on her cute little face. |
And might that make you feel, what....Proud, Better....?
You and your pissy attitude are such incredibly shitty reps for what TN once was. That's not what Vol Nation is, and Pat might tell you that to your face, if she were alive. That's not "loyalty", that's just bitching. |
Pat would have been more loyal to Kellie, I'm thinking. And would have had a few things to say to Danny White about who to choose. I don't think it would be some flash in the pan with one season of D-I under her belt, no matter how good that season was.
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It takes 3 years to build a team and 7 to build a program.--Conventional Wisdom
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