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I will be very sad to not have JMU reliably coming up this way on a regular basis for CAA games; then again, as long as Tartamella is our coach we'll probably have a home-and-home with you guys; then again, I would really rather we not have Tartamella as our coach, so.
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| Posted: 10/30/21 10:31 am ::: |
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I will be very sad to not have JMU reliably coming up this way on a regular basis for CAA games; then again, as long as Tartamella is our coach we'll probably have a home-and-home with you guys; then again, I would really rather we not have Tartamella as our coach, so. |
Oh, we may very well play St. John's as a non-conference game. Too soon to tell. But the conference games will be more southeasterly oriented, I guess. It will be interesting, for sure.
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| Posted: 10/30/21 10:54 pm ::: |
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| Queenie wrote: |
I will be very sad to not have JMU reliably coming up this way on a regular basis for CAA games; then again, as long as Tartamella is our coach we'll probably have a home-and-home with you guys; then again, I would really rather we not have Tartamella as our coach, so. |
Oh, we may very well play St. John's as a non-conference game. Too soon to tell. But the conference games will be more southeasterly oriented, I guess. It will be interesting, for sure. |
Right, right, I was thinking the additional NYC metro game against Hofstra. I do like to root *for* the Dukes every so often, y'know.
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| Posted: 11/01/21 1:40 pm ::: |
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So, lots of other stuff going on...looks like the MAC, which I consider to be one of the most stable leagues in the country, might be adding Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee: https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/mac-western-kentucky-middle-tennessee-college-football-conference-realignment. That would take C-USA down to 3 members...from 14. Crazy. They are looking at trying to add Liberty, New Mexico State, UConn (FB only) as well as some FCS schools. They will have plenty of exit fee money as well as some TV/bowl revenue which may help them survive. Time will tell.
I have heard that St Francis (NY) may end up leaving D-I, just like Hartford will be doing. Looks like they are moving their campus into basically a single office building in Brooklyn: https://www.sfc.edu/about/forward/new-campus. I know they have pledged to the NEC to stay D-I, but I don't see how this will work. What are they gonna do for facilities moving forward?
In other news, it appears as though Fairfield is a prime candidate to leave the MAAC and join the CAA. Should that happen, the MAAC would look to poach the NEC, which in turn is looking at elevating New Haven and possibly Stonehill to D-I.
Howard is also a rumored addition for the CAA and if that does happen, word is that several other schools will leave the MEAC. Howard appears to be the school that is keeping that conference together. It's already been held together by a thread for a while and this might be the move that breaks it.
On the west coast, it looks like the WCC (losing BYU) is looking at Grand Canyon, Seattle and Cal Baptist. It is unknown if they will look to just add one school or maybe three.
The Missouri Valley is looking at maybe adding Murray State, UT-Arlington and UMKC to get their membership up to 12.
Anyway, there are other rumors out there as well...all the craziness has filtered down and is going to affect most of the smaller leagues now.
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| Posted: 11/01/21 2:25 pm ::: |
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| I heard a rumor that Carson-Newman and Ferrum were also wanting to move up from D-II to D-1. Anybody? Carson-Newman would possibly go FCS, at least for awhile....they are a good football school but they've been D-II forever.
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| Posted: 11/01/21 4:41 pm ::: |
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So, lots of other stuff going on...looks like the MAC, which I consider to be one of the most stable leagues in the country, might be adding Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee: https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/mac-western-kentucky-middle-tennessee-college-football-conference-realignment. That would take C-USA down to 3 members...from 14. Crazy. They are looking at trying to add Liberty, New Mexico State, UConn (FB only) as well as some FCS schools. They will have plenty of exit fee money as well as some TV/bowl revenue which may help them survive. Time will tell.
I have heard that St Francis (NY) may end up leaving D-I, just like Hartford will be doing. Looks like they are moving their campus into basically a single office building in Brooklyn: https://www.sfc.edu/about/forward/new-campus. I know they have pledged to the NEC to stay D-I, but I don't see how this will work. What are they gonna do for facilities moving forward? |
MAC expansion feels like blasphemy somehow. On the other hand, MTSU and WKU in the MAC would be amazing for WBB.
Regarding SFC: dropping down in class would absolutely not surprise me. Their facilities right now are probably D-II-level, and that list of amenities for the new campus glaringly does not include anything vaguely related to athletics, even recreational ones. Maybe those will stay at the current location?
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| Posted: 11/02/21 7:11 am ::: |
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| Marshall leaving CUSA for Sun Belt |
The big thing for Marshall was that the Sun Belt was going to re-add sponsorship of men's soccer. They had dropped the sport in 2019 and their men's soccer playing members have become affiliate members of other leagues. Marshall is the defending national champions in men's soccer.
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| Posted: 11/05/21 2:10 pm ::: |
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JMU has gotten state approvel to join the Sun Belt, so the Dukes will be movin' on up.
https://www.breezejmu.org/sports/jmu-earns-state-approval-to-join-the-sun-belt-conference/article_1e72a5a6-3e4c-11ec-8193-7f988448c15d.html
However, in an extremely petty move, the presidents of the other institutions in this ratty little conference have decided not to let JMU play in their little reindeer games any more. Nope, no post-season for YOU, JMU, not even this year! (Normally teams are allowed to play out the year, then go indy for a year before becoming full members of the new conference, at least in football.) But the CAA, nope. They've decided to take their marbles and go home.
https://www.breezejmu.org/sports/caa-to-ban-jmu-from-postseason-conference-play-pending-conference-realignment-announcement/article_f22b2a78-3d0a-11ec-ad68-e33a9f301baf.html
And here's what USA Today said about THAT.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2021/11/04/james-madison-caa-jmu-conference/6286748001/
If I said what I really think about the CAA right now it might get me banned right here, right now. Suffice it to say that they're being super petty because JMU usually beats everyone in everything. Also, they don't have much left of a conference. Some other schools will probably be leaving soon.
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| Posted: 11/05/21 4:39 pm ::: |
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JMU has gotten state approvel to join the Sun Belt, so the Dukes will be movin' on up.
https://www.breezejmu.org/sports/jmu-earns-state-approval-to-join-the-sun-belt-conference/article_1e72a5a6-3e4c-11ec-8193-7f988448c15d.html
However, in an extremely petty move, the presidents of the other institutions in this ratty little conference have decided not to let JMU play in their little reindeer games any more. Nope, no post-season for YOU, JMU, not even this year! (Normally teams are allowed to play out the year, then go indy for a year before becoming full members of the new conference, at least in football.) But the CAA, nope. They've decided to take their marbles and go home.
https://www.breezejmu.org/sports/caa-to-ban-jmu-from-postseason-conference-play-pending-conference-realignment-announcement/article_f22b2a78-3d0a-11ec-ad68-e33a9f301baf.html
And here's what USA Today said about THAT.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2021/11/04/james-madison-caa-jmu-conference/6286748001/
If I said what I really think about the CAA right now it might get me banned right here, right now. Suffice it to say that they're being super petty because JMU usually beats everyone in everything. Also, they don't have much left of a conference. Some other schools will probably be leaving soon. |
These were my thoughts as well. I don't like it but as was pointed out to me, the same thing happened with Old Dominion when they left. I get it. It's a bylaw, but we also are still in the midst of a pandemic and players have already had seasons cancelled, lives changed, etc. I think they should have been allowed to play as well.
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| Posted: 11/05/21 5:30 pm ::: |
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| guess y'all will just have to go undefeated and get an at-large bid, then
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| Posted: 11/05/21 5:41 pm ::: |
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| That's extremely petty. The student athletes work so hard and to be banned from post season conference play? Just stupid imo.
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| Posted: 11/05/21 6:13 pm ::: |
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| That's extremely petty. The student athletes work so hard and to be banned from post season conference play? Just stupid imo. |
It reminds me a little bit about how, when NDSU and SDSU both made the decision to leave the D2 NCC and transition to FCS/D1; immediately all the other schools in that conference refused to schedule them during their 4 year transition period.
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| Posted: 11/05/21 6:16 pm ::: |
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| That's extremely petty. The student athletes work so hard and to be banned from post season conference play? Just stupid imo. |
It reminds me a little bit about how, when NDSU and SDSU both made the decision to leave the D2 NCC and transition to FCS/D1; immediately all the other schools in that conference refused to schedule them during their 4 year transition period. |
Just pettiness. I didn't realize those schools did that, I just don't understand the reasoning.
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| Posted: 11/06/21 10:43 am ::: |
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JMU has gotten state approvel to join the Sun Belt, so the Dukes will be movin' on up.
https://www.breezejmu.org/sports/jmu-earns-state-approval-to-join-the-sun-belt-conference/article_1e72a5a6-3e4c-11ec-8193-7f988448c15d.html
However, in an extremely petty move, the presidents of the other institutions in this ratty little conference have decided not to let JMU play in their little reindeer games any more. Nope, no post-season for YOU, JMU, not even this year! (Normally teams are allowed to play out the year, then go indy for a year before becoming full members of the new conference, at least in football.) But the CAA, nope. They've decided to take their marbles and go home.
https://www.breezejmu.org/sports/caa-to-ban-jmu-from-postseason-conference-play-pending-conference-realignment-announcement/article_f22b2a78-3d0a-11ec-ad68-e33a9f301baf.html
And here's what USA Today said about THAT.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2021/11/04/james-madison-caa-jmu-conference/6286748001/
If I said what I really think about the CAA right now it might get me banned right here, right now. Suffice it to say that they're being super petty because JMU usually beats everyone in everything. Also, they don't have much left of a conference. Some other schools will probably be leaving soon. |
These were my thoughts as well. I don't like it but as was pointed out to me, the same thing happened with Old Dominion when they left. I get it. It's a bylaw, but we also are still in the midst of a pandemic and players have already had seasons cancelled, lives changed, etc. I think they should have been allowed to play as well. |
Given that it's a bylaw, and there's a precedent, I don't see how JMU didn't know this was apt to happen. Did they expect a special exemption from the rule?
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| Posted: 11/06/21 10:53 am ::: |
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| It's a bylaw that they aren't allowed to compete in post-conference tournaments IMMEDIATELY, like this year? How freaking petty. I can see it as of the end of this academic year, but geez, people, get a grip already. Let them have their seasons. That is not only petty, it's unfair to the athletes. The best thing would be for some JMU team (I don't realistically see it being WBB, but softball or baseball could very well do it) to run the table on the conference on our way out.
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| Posted: 11/06/21 3:57 pm ::: |
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OTOH, the ASUN is losing a couple of their members to C-USA but they're not acting like petty toddlers and taking all their marbles and going home.
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Today, we have two of our ASUN members celebrating the announcement of their planned transition to Conference USA. We are proud to have Liberty University and Jacksonville State University as ASUN Conference members and we will wish them much success when they transition out of the ASUN at the conclusion of the 2022-23 academic year.
Liberty and Jacksonville State remain fully eligible for ASUN Championships, ASUN automatic bids, and all team and student-athlete honors while they remain members of the ASUN. Our primary BEAM is Students First. We celebrate and support all the student-athletes that play in the ASUN and look forward to great camaraderie and competition among all our teams over the coming 20 months.
https://asunsports.org/general/2021-22/r...1105n7ian8
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| Posted: 11/07/21 12:26 pm ::: |
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So now even sports forum Deadspin (which I read regularly) has gotten into the act. Their column makes the CAA look like the petty tyrants they are:
https://deadspin.com/james-madison-gets-its-moment-in-the-sun-belt-1848010265
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| Posted: 11/17/21 9:48 am ::: |
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Interesting. So that will put the A-10 at 15 members I believe. Are they planning on going to 16? Is this kind of a proactive strike because they think somebody may be leaving? Are they thinking 3 pods of 5 will work moving forward?
I mean, I guess this might work:
St Louis, Loyola, Dayton, Duquesne, St Bonaventure
Davidson, VCU, Richmond, George Mason, George Washington
St Joe's, LaSalle, Fordham, UMass, Rhode Island
Obviously a little far flung for that first grouping, but it could work well with scheduling: play everyone in your group home/away for 8 games, play home vs another group of 5 and away for the other group for another 10 games. You get 18 conference games.
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