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purduefanatic
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Posted: 10/19/21 12:20 pm ::: O/T - Wash State football HC & 4 AC fired for no vaccine |
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Man, I know this is a polarizing topic so I'm not looking to get into whether anyone should have a choice or not, but kinda surprised by this. The Cougars fired their head football coach and 4 assts for not getting vaccinated by the deadline of October 18th.
The reason for posting this in here isn't to get into a political debate about this, but are there any WBB programs that may also be affected by this down the road?
For the record, my wife is a nurse and hundreds of nurses were let go throughout her system due to not getting the vaccine.
Here's the CBSSports article: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/washington-state-coach-nick-rolovich-four-assistants-fired-for-cause-over-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
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pilight
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Posted: 10/19/21 12:26 pm ::: |
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It's a mandate for state employees in Washington, so any public university coaches in that state are potentially at risk.
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purduefanatic
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Posted: 10/19/21 1:56 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
It's a mandate for state employees in Washington, so any public university coaches in that state are potentially at risk. |
Yeah, I know it's a mandate. How many states have mandated this for all their employees? I wonder if the basketball staffs at those schools have a different deadline that is more in line with the start of their seasons.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 10/19/21 2:03 pm ::: |
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purduefanatic wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
It's a mandate for state employees in Washington, so any public university coaches in that state are potentially at risk. |
Yeah, I know it's a mandate. How many states have mandated this for all their employees? I wonder if the basketball staffs at those schools have a different deadline that is more in line with the start of their seasons. |
I wouldn't think so. They are state employees doing work before their season starts.
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 10/19/21 3:33 pm ::: |
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purduefanatic wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
It's a mandate for state employees in Washington, so any public university coaches in that state are potentially at risk. |
Yeah, I know it's a mandate. How many states have mandated this for all their employees? I wonder if the basketball staffs at those schools have a different deadline that is more in line with the start of their seasons. |
I would hope that any vaccine mandates were based on public health considerations and not sports schedules.
This is a recent article listing states with vaccine mandates. There are at least 14 states with mandates for state employees, school employees, or higher education employees.
https://sbshrs.adpinfo.com/blog/federal-and-state-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-where-do-they-stand
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Youth Coach
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Posted: 10/19/21 7:05 pm ::: |
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Rolovich only has himself to blame. He was told he would be fired if he didn't get vaccinated. He didn't and there's the door.
Personally, I would never want to play for him after this because as a coach he likely spins some kind of put the team ahead of yourself. And he clearly doesn't practice what he preaches.
So good riddance to bad rubbish. |
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bucks4now
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Posted: 10/20/21 9:31 am ::: |
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In our country we have freedom of religion. We don't know what his religious beliefs are.
As a libertarian, I'm against mandates. It should be a personal choice and not mandates. Nobody ever looks at the unintended consequences. This time it's a vaccine, what is next?
Maybe his players will respect him more because he stood up for his principles.
We shouldn't be haters just because one a different perspective.
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Howee
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bcdawg04
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Posted: 10/20/21 2:35 pm ::: |
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I've read that he is Catholic. If that's true, then that is probably why he did not qualify for a religious exemption. Not only would the Pope oppose a religious exemption, but Rolovich's local diocese probably would not support it either. As I understand it, the bishop of the diocese of Spokane is opposed to vaccine mandates, but he encourages everyone to get vaccinated against COVID and he discourages priests from providing written support for religious exemption claims.
I think it is interesting that he is trying to claim a religious exemption, but he has also said that he is not against vaccinations. How does that work? Is he just saying that he wants everyone else to get vaccinated against COVID to keep him protected?
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 10/20/21 5:05 pm ::: |
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I've read that he is Catholic. If that's true, then that is probably why he did not qualify for a religious exemption. Not only would the Pope oppose a religious exemption, but Rolovich's local diocese probably would not support it either. As I understand it, the bishop of the diocese of Spokane is opposed to vaccine mandates, but he encourages everyone to get vaccinated against COVID and he discourages priests from providing written support for religious exemption claims.
I think it is interesting that he is trying to claim a religious exemption, but he has also said that he is not against vaccinations. How does that work? Is he just saying that he wants everyone else to get vaccinated against COVID to keep him protected? |
This is from the article I linked above.
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As politically fraught as the issue has become, Washington State made the process as fair and objective as possible.
It worked with the state attorney general’s office to define the criteria for exemptions.
It established and trained a team of people to review the requests for religious and medical exemptions.
It used input from numerous arms of the university to determine whether accommodations could be made for Rolovich to keep the public safe while effectively carrying out his contractual duties.
Those duties extend far beyond watching film alone in his office and coaching on the sideline with a mask and headset.
He must engage with recruits, attend functions with alumni and donors and represent the university — the entire university — in public.
It was untenable, and anyone with a shred of common sense knew it. |
It's also rather curious that four of his top AC's all filed for religious exemptions too...four of the total of fifty WSU employees that were fired. The odds on that seem rather small, unless they were all hired because they belonged to the same church. Rolovich is, of course, suing.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-cougar-football/former-wsu-football-coach-nick-rolovich-to-file-lawsuit-after-being-fired-for-noncompliance-with-vaccine-mandate/
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pilight
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Posted: 10/20/21 5:15 pm ::: |
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In our country we have freedom of religion. We don't know what his religious beliefs are. |
Yes we do. He's a Catholic.
https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/Article/Nick-Rolovich-lawyer-says-WSU-demonized-him-for-Catholic-faith-173504140/
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the recently fired football coach’s attorney today claimed that WSU athletic director Pat Chun “derided, demonized, and ultimately fired” Rolovich “for being devout in his Catholic faith." |
The Catholic Church, like virtually all legitimate churches, does not prohibit or oppose vaccination. The Pope has been vaccinated and urges others to get it as well.
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Howee
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NoDakSt
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Posted: 10/20/21 6:50 pm ::: |
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He’s just become the leading candidate for head football coach position at any Idaho University, (or maybe even Idaho governor).
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Youth Coach
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Posted: 10/20/21 7:14 pm ::: |
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bucks4now wrote: |
In our country we have freedom of religion. We don't know what his religious beliefs are.
As a libertarian, I'm against mandates. It should be a personal choice and not mandates. Nobody ever looks at the unintended consequences. This time it's a vaccine, what is next?
Maybe his players will respect him more because he stood up for his principles.
We shouldn't be haters just because one a different perspective. |
He's supposedly catholic.
And if I was a player of his, I wouldn't respect him at all. He wants me to do what's best for the team and his decision to put himself above what is good for the team shows EXACTLY what he really is. |
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Youth Coach
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Posted: 10/20/21 7:16 pm ::: |
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Of course he's suing...because he's a coward. |
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 10/20/21 7:27 pm ::: |
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Youth Coach wrote: |
bucks4now wrote: |
In our country we have freedom of religion. We don't know what his religious beliefs are.
As a libertarian, I'm against mandates. It should be a personal choice and not mandates. Nobody ever looks at the unintended consequences. This time it's a vaccine, what is next?
Maybe his players will respect him more because he stood up for his principles.
We shouldn't be haters just because one a different perspective. |
He's supposedly catholic.
And if I was a player of his, I wouldn't respect him at all. He wants me to do what's best for the team and his decision to put himself above what is good for the team shows EXACTLY what he really is. |
It seems that at least some of the players are more upset about getting COVID and racism.
https://thegrio.com/2021/09/05/kassidy-woods-sues-wsu/
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In June 2020, the school started asking athletes to voluntarily return to campus to participate in football-related activities, the lawsuit said. The school promised to take precautions to prevent athletes from catching COVID-19, the lawsuit said. That was important to Woods, who carries the sickle cell trait and was susceptible to the virus, the lawsuit said.
“Unfortunately, the promised environment of campus as the “safest place” for athletes was a complete fabrication by Defendants,” the lawsuit said...
Players, many of whom were Black, began catching COVID-19, and Woods and other players began questioning the return to campus...
In July 2020, Woods and another player met with Rolovich to discuss the #WeAreUnited movement, their concerns regarding the health risks associated with their athletic participation, and the apparent lack of planning or testing, among other concerns, the lawsuit said. Their worries were confirmed when 60 student-athletes at WSU came down with COVID-19, the lawsuit said. On Aug. 1, 2020, Woods and Rolovich had an additional conversation about COVID-19 and Woods’ concerns for his own health. Woods told Rolovich that, due to his health concerns, he was going to opt-out of the 2020 football season.
Rolovich responded by asking if Woods was a part of the #WeAreUnited group. Woods affirmed that he was, the lawsuit said. In response, Rolovich told Woods that opting out for health reasons was fine, but being involved with #WeAreUnited was a problem, the lawsuit said.
According to the court filings, Rolovich then immediately instructed Woods to clean out his locker and told Woods he could not be around the other players. |
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bucks4now
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Posted: 10/20/21 8:04 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
bucks4now wrote: |
In our country we have freedom of religion. We don't know what his religious beliefs are. |
Yes we do. He's a Catholic.
https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/Article/Nick-Rolovich-lawyer-says-WSU-demonized-him-for-Catholic-faith-173504140/
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the recently fired football coach’s attorney today claimed that WSU athletic director Pat Chun “derided, demonized, and ultimately fired” Rolovich “for being devout in his Catholic faith." |
The Catholic Church, like virtually all legitimate churches, does not prohibit or oppose vaccination. The Pope has been vaccinated and urges others to get it as well. |
Well if everyone in the USA follows the Pope, our President and Speaker would be pro life.
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Howee
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pilight
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Posted: 10/20/21 8:49 pm ::: |
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bucks4now wrote: |
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bucks4now wrote: |
In our country we have freedom of religion. We don't know what his religious beliefs are. |
Yes we do. He's a Catholic.
https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/Article/Nick-Rolovich-lawyer-says-WSU-demonized-him-for-Catholic-faith-173504140/
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the recently fired football coach’s attorney today claimed that WSU athletic director Pat Chun “derided, demonized, and ultimately fired” Rolovich “for being devout in his Catholic faith." |
The Catholic Church, like virtually all legitimate churches, does not prohibit or oppose vaccination. The Pope has been vaccinated and urges others to get it as well. |
Well if everyone in the USA follows the Pope, our President and Speaker would be pro life. |
He's claiming a religious exception, it makes sense to see what his stated religion has to say on the subject.
Biden is pro-life. He's said he believes life begins at conception. He's also said he does not believe it's the place of public servants to impose their religious views on the public.
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Posted: 10/20/21 9:49 pm ::: |
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Howee wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
The Catholic Church, like virtually all legitimate churches, does not prohibit or oppose vaccination. |
....IS there such a thing??
Yeah, I s'pose every state and federal employee could bring a lawsuit, from janitors and clerks all the way to the High 'n Mighty (that = big $$$ wages).
Why is Mr. Rolovich so special, that his exemption merits consideration? |
He grew up as a white, male athlete (quarterback, no less). People have been kissing his ass for a long time. Why would he expect that to end now?
I was surprised when I posted this to Area 51 on 10/18/2021 that he was still listed as football coach on the school website.
I'm really, really surprised that he's STILL there now! They do have an 'acting head coach' listed. They have not removed the other four coaches either. There are phone numbers listed for all five. There is no email listed for Rolovich, but the other four are still showing email addresses.
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Posted: 10/22/21 9:25 am ::: |
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bucks4now wrote: |
In our country we have freedom of religion. We don't know what his religious beliefs are.
As a libertarian, I'm against mandates. It should be a personal choice and not mandates. Nobody ever looks at the unintended consequences. This time it's a vaccine, what is next?
Maybe his players will respect him more because he stood up for his principles.
We shouldn't be haters just because one a different perspective. |
Statements like this remind me that in America, many people are more focused on their own personal freedoms than the freedom of other people to be protected from Covid. There’s this sense, particularly one that developed from 2016 to 2020, that it’s okay to put yourself first and think only of yourself. That was the message from the Trump presidency. America first, right? When that filters down, people make selfish decisions.
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Howee
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bucks4now
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pilight
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Posted: 10/22/21 10:37 am ::: |
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HomerCecil wrote: |
bucks4now wrote: |
In our country we have freedom of religion. We don't know what his religious beliefs are.
As a libertarian, I'm against mandates. It should be a personal choice and not mandates. Nobody ever looks at the unintended consequences. This time it's a vaccine, what is next?
Maybe his players will respect him more because he stood up for his principles.
We shouldn't be haters just because one a different perspective. |
Statements like this remind me that in America, many people are more focused on their own personal freedoms than the freedom of other people to be protected from Covid. There’s this sense, particularly one that developed from 2016 to 2020, that it’s okay to put yourself first and think only of yourself. That was the message from the Trump presidency. America first, right? When that filters down, people make selfish decisions. |
Maybe they're not convinced the government should have the power to tell people what they can and can't do with their own body.
Your body, your choice
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