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| Which team will Charles sign with in 2022? |
| Washington again |
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| Chicago |
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| Minnesota |
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| Another team (which one?) |
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Stormeo
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 Posted: 09/21/21 11:11 pm ::: Which team will Tina Charles be on next year? |
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...since she's making it sound like she isn't planning on re-signing with the Mystics. (Credit to toad455 for originally showing me this)
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Charles, an 11-year veteran, came to Washington in search of a championship. Instead, she didn’t play one season and was forced to carry an unexpected load in the second. Charles led the league in scoring with a career-high 23.4 points per game out of necessity, but that wasn’t the plan. She wanted to be on a well-rounded roster, and that didn’t happen. During her final news conference, Charles referred to “players that return here next year” while talking about what “they” can do to improve.
“I haven’t thought that far; I just know I need to win a championship before I retire,” Charles told The Washington Post about her future. “Obviously, some decisions are going to have to be made, and I have to look into everything. I’m thankful for my year here and just to see how they do things, and [that] will definitely help moving forward.
“You definitely sit back and see what happens. You just never know. This is a great organization and how they treat their people. We’ll see what happens.” |
And no, Charles cannot be cored.
If she wants to go to a contender, she probably won't consider teams who are currently in the lottery. She also probably won't consider Connecticut since she left there on... not the greatest of terms, to put it mildly. (They seem to be a very stable team without her these days anyway.) And I don't think she'd re-sign with New York, but as we've noted, they're more or less one center away from at least making things interesting... screw it, I'll put 'em on the poll anyway. 
Not every team can sign her as things stand now, but I'm sure if she let 'em know she was really interesting, they'd find a way to make the space for her.
The poll won't close until the end of January, so take your time before choosing a team... Things may change between now & the beginning of free agency – especially with the playoffs yet to be played.
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johnjohnW
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| Posted: 09/21/21 11:17 pm ::: |
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| The better questions are who can afford her or who is she willing to give a steep discount to?
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Stormeo
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| Posted: 09/21/21 11:48 pm ::: |
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| The better questions are who can afford her or who is she willing to give a steep discount to? |
Storm would be able to afford her at max – we'd just have to go with 11, assuming the essential players re-sign. Nbd.
Aces would be able to afford her if Cambage doesn't come back next year (who knows with her). Perhaps both Charles could join in & McCoughtry could re-sign on cheaper-than-average deals. Wilson is almost certainly getting reg max – keep that in mind.
Lynx would be able to afford her, but only if her & Fowles signed cheaper-than-average deals. It would most likely simultaneously block Clarendon from returning (unless Clarendon agreed to work at/close to vet min).
Sky would be able to afford her – though it really remains to be seen who re-signs, who chooses to leave, and who is left out after the bigger players make their choices. You need to know what Vanderquigs, Copper, and DeShields do first. Or hell, maybe ya don't!
It would be really hard for the Mercury to sign her without moving some key pieces around (and Charles would have to agree to even more of a cheap contract than she would on the other aforementioned teams). It would probably require a Griner or a SDS trade, though we'll wait to comment on the possibility of that until after the playoffs are over.
Either the Liberty or Wings would be able to sign her for max and still get to 12. Would either team be good enough to have her attention though? Hard to say. An impending playoff run would sure help though.
FWIW, she agreed to a $175k one-year deal this year. IIRC, she made that much in 2020 when she was on Washington's roster then, too. She might even agree to sign for less than that amount depending on the situation of the team she ends up signing with. Money is clearly not her #1 priority at this point – title-winning is.
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jmvcity
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| Posted: 09/22/21 12:24 am ::: |
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| Imagine if she never ends up winning a championship.
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J-Spoon
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| Posted: 09/22/21 12:27 am ::: |
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PX tried to trade for her last year
If she wanted to ring chase she could take the 110K PX gives to Vaughn maybe with another 10-15K if they swap out Walker for a minimum.
If Minny maxes out Fowles they could probably offer Charles 125K-ish, or if Fowles goes elsewhere Charles could make a little more there.
Atl is probably her best bet for bigger money if they are win now
If she is still friends with Hayes from her UConn days and Atl decides to go with Carter, (maybe core and trade C. Will for Deshilds, move on from E. Will) luck into the #1or #2 pick
Carter, Hayes, Deshilds, Charles, Ch. Parker, McDonald and Howard, Austin or N. Smith off the bench is an interesting combo of young and old
Washington is sort of in the middle if EDD and Clark return there is still some championship potential there even with a thin bench, the Mystics could probably scrape together regular max if Meesseman doesn't return and they try to sign and trade MHA for multiple cheaper options.
Cloud, Atkins, Clark, EDD and Charles is a top tier line up if they are all healthy.
I realize it is not going to happen but NY could be an interesting landing spot if she would consider say 150K-maybe 200k
Ionescu, Whitcomb, Laney, Howard, Charles
Jones, Richards, Onyenwere, Willoughby, pick #5
Allen if you go with 11
Shook and Durr if you want to go 12
could have the math wrong
Replacing Cambage if she doesn't want to return seems viable Laimbeer like to recycle. Charles would probably be ok playing in the high post or out at the 3 point line and letting Wilson do her thing down low.
Chicago could do a whole makeover
Bird retires, Sloot and Quigley go to Seattle, trade Deshields to Atl C. Will
bring in Loyd and Charles to join Copper and Parker and go with 11
C. Will, Loyd, Copper, Charles, Parker
Evans, Hebard, Stevens, pick #6 two rookie scale contracts
OK I am getting carried away but there are options
I won't even suggest Dallas can hear the Dallas fans booing the idea all the way to the east coast
OTOH Mabrey, Ogunbowale, Sabally, Charles, Harrison
Jefferson, Gray, pick 7 Burrell, Thorton, lottery pick Austin, (2 of Collier, Kuier, Alarie)
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| Posted: 09/22/21 3:53 am ::: |
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Sounds like she would sign for less with any real contender next year. But she will probably wait and see if Meesseman returns next season and if EDD is healthy and then sign for less with the Mystics.
Because with the return of Meesseman and a healthy Clark this team will be one of the favorites to win the title next season if Charles re-signs with them. With or without EDD!
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| Posted: 09/22/21 8:26 am ::: |
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PX tried to trade for her last year
If she wanted to ring chase she could take the 110K PX gives to Vaughn maybe with another 10-15K if they swap out Walker for a minimum.
If Minny maxes out Fowles they could probably offer Charles 125K-ish, or if Fowles goes elsewhere Charles could make a little more there.
Atl is probably her best bet for bigger money if they are win now
If she is still friends with Hayes from her UConn days and Atl decides to go with Carter, (maybe core and trade C. Will for Deshilds, move on from E. Will) luck into the #1or #2 pick
Carter, Hayes, Deshilds, Charles, Ch. Parker, McDonald and Howard, Austin or N. Smith off the bench is an interesting combo of young and old
Washington is sort of in the middle if EDD and Clark return there is still some championship potential there even with a thin bench, the Mystics could probably scrape together regular max if Meesseman doesn't return and they try to sign and trade MHA for multiple cheaper options.
Cloud, Atkins, Clark, EDD and Charles is a top tier line up if they are all healthy.
I realize it is not going to happen but NY could be an interesting landing spot if she would consider say 150K-maybe 200k
Ionescu, Whitcomb, Laney, Howard, Charles
Jones, Richards, Onyenwere, Willoughby, pick #5
Allen if you go with 11
Shook and Durr if you want to go 12
could have the math wrong
Replacing Cambage if she doesn't want to return seems viable Laimbeer like to recycle. Charles would probably be ok playing in the high post or out at the 3 point line and letting Wilson do her thing down low.
Chicago could do a whole makeover
Bird retires, Sloot and Quigley go to Seattle, trade Deshields to Atl C. Will
bring in Loyd and Charles to join Copper and Parker and go with 11
C. Will, Loyd, Copper, Charles, Parker
Evans, Hebard, Stevens, pick #6 two rookie scale contracts
OK I am getting carried away but there are options
I won't even suggest Dallas can hear the Dallas fans booing the idea all the way to the east coast
OTOH Mabrey, Ogunbowale, Sabally, Charles, Harrison
Jefferson, Gray, pick 7 Burrell, Thorton, lottery pick Austin, (2 of Collier, Kuier, Alarie) |
Works for me....😎😎😎
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| Posted: 09/22/21 9:34 am ::: |
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| Imagine if she never ends up winning a championship. |
The worst case in this situation is the team(s) you left winning one.
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| Posted: 09/22/21 9:53 am ::: |
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| I voted "Another Team" because I am an impossible homer
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| Posted: 09/22/21 11:39 am ::: |
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| If Minnesota can make it work, I’d like to have her on the team. She spoke very highly of the Lynx in her post game press conference if that means anything.
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| Posted: 09/22/21 3:15 pm ::: |
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| Staley brought Charles and Fowles in off the bench together for Team USA in every Olympic game. Their chemistry.. left a lot to be desired. Not saying it couldn't be developed though.
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| Posted: 09/22/21 5:14 pm ::: |
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Great poll question. I know my team isn't in the fight.
We can't afford her and I don't think she wants to play here. She went to NY because she wanted to be close to family. She was commuting from CT to NYC often. I think she went to Washington because of coach Thibault.
I guess I'll go with Seattle, many / most UCONN players wind up there anyway.
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| Posted: 09/22/21 10:34 pm ::: |
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The pick used to select Tina Charles was originally New York's. The Liberty traded the Pick to Los Angeles for Sidney Spencer. So LA could have had her as well, but LA traded it to Minnesota for Noelle Quinn.
See above for the final trade of the 2010 #1 pic.
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| Posted: 09/22/21 11:03 pm ::: |
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| Tbqh I wouldn't blame New York management at all for essentially showing up at Charles' door at the midnight hour & saying, "I'm sorry, I screwed up, I was a fool for letting you go (even if they don't mean any of that), now I'm on my knees b e g g i n g for you to take me back!!!" 🥺 At least they would've realized they needed an actual center at that point. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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| Posted: 09/23/21 9:38 am ::: |
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[quote="undersized_post"]Staley brought Charles and Fowles in off the bench together for Team USA in every Olympic game. Their chemistry.. left a lot to be desired. Not saying it couldn't be developed though.[/quote]
At the time Staley was probably right to do so. Now they are both older, you can start them, Charles has an outside shot, who do you have that's better? Then rotate them so you are not stuck without size. Plus I am sure the bench and Charles wanting to win a ring would increase the team ball aspect.
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| Posted: 09/23/21 11:09 am ::: |
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| Staley brought Charles and Fowles in off the bench together for Team USA in every Olympic game. Their chemistry.. left a lot to be desired. Not saying it couldn't be developed though. |
At the time Staley was probably right to do so. Now they are both older, you can start them, Charles has an outside shot, who do you have that's better? Then rotate them so you are not stuck without size. Plus I am sure the bench and Charles wanting to win a ring would increase the team ball aspect. |
Cambage and Wilson worked much better this year than I thought they would....and Charles is much better on the perimeter than A'ja.
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| Posted: 09/23/21 4:24 pm ::: |
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The pick used to select Tina Charles was originally New York's. The Liberty traded the Pick to Los Angeles for Sidney Spencer. So LA could have had her as well, but LA traded it to Minnesota for Noelle Quinn.
See above for the final trade of the 2010 #1 pic. |
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