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Posted: 07/02/21 8:56 pm ::: |
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Tuesday afternoon we were told that we were going to go to a passive screening (think honor system) on Thursday. I get in on Wednesday and have an email that Tuesday evening that changed and we were going to keep our regular meet people when they come in and ask them questions screening.
Something about OSHA and the state department of health (I think) and another one (labor?) got together and said that we need to continue was we were and are not allowed to change.
I'm too old for this.
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Howee
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Posted: 07/27/21 11:00 am ::: |
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I'm ever-so curious: are we officially seeing a Third Wave? Or are we beyond that, even? And how does that align with what the epidemiologists were telling us in early 2020?
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tfan
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Posted: 07/28/21 11:25 am ::: |
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Howee wrote: |
I'm ever-so curious: are we officially seeing a Third Wave? Or are we beyond that, even? And how does that align with what the epidemiologists were telling us in early 2020? |
I don't ever remember hearing an explanation of why there would be waves. Fauci started talking in the spring about a second wave in the fall and as a European who looked at our fall graph versus European graphs said: "You never got out of the first wave!".
The whole thing with waves - for a similar variant (which don't seem to be effected by weather) - may be solely from changes in human behavior. If people relax it comes back and if you tighten it goes down. The rise we are seeing may not be all "more contagious Delta variant" caused as our behavior is changing as well.
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 07/28/21 4:05 pm ::: |
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Howee wrote: |
I'm ever-so curious: are we officially seeing a Third Wave? Or are we beyond that, even? And how does that align with what the epidemiologists were telling us in early 2020? |
If you look at the Hopkins graph, we had small bumps/waves last April and July, then the big one over the holidays, then a small one this April, and this one. Five. How big of a bump in cases does it take to be called a "wave"? Or is any bump sufficient if there was even a shallow valley in between?
I do think the epidemiologists and emerging disease experts have mostly been right. They clearly warned us about the effects of holiday travel and gatherings, and about the fallout when some of these variants took off.
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Howee
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Posted: 07/29/21 12:07 pm ::: |
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.... especially since this new study involved the more infectious alpha variant, and a far, far lower rate of persistent symptoms than in the unvaccinated. |
Hmm. I thought the delta variant was the more infectious, no?
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Posted: 07/29/21 7:38 pm ::: |
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.... especially since this new study involved the more infectious alpha variant, and a far, far lower rate of persistent symptoms than in the unvaccinated. |
Hmm. I thought the delta variant was the more infectious, no? |
Sorry for being unclear. In this new study, most of the patients had the alpha variant, which is more infectious than the original strain against which Pfizer tested its vaccine. Delta is more infectious than both of them.
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tfan
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Posted: 08/12/21 8:31 am ::: |
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Originally Pfizer looked like a little bit better choice, but this Mayo Clinic and nreference ?? study - not yet peer reviewed - gives Moderna a better rating, particularly against Delta. I got Pfizer and if they give a third shot I think you are supposed to get the same brand.
New data on coronavirus vaccine effectiveness may be "a wakeup call"
The good news is "There has been no data so far that has found either vaccine's protection against severe disease and death is significantly less against Delta"
But the chance of getting infected in the July part of their study, when Delta was dominant and the vaccine effects possibly starting to wane showed the risk of infection with COVID-19 was significantly higher than the original pre-approval studies from last year. Pfizer was only 42% effective in preventing infection and Moderna was 76%
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It's unclear whether the results signify a reduction in effectiveness over time, a reduced effectiveness against Delta, or a combination of both. |
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 08/13/21 7:51 pm ::: |
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Pfizer actually said their vaccine is losing 6% efficacy every 2 months against COVID infection, but its efficiency against severe infection (hospitalization/death) remains high at 97%.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full.pdf
The problem, of course, is that all those extra cases of mild COVID walking around can spread the disease to someone else, serve as incubators for new variants, and contribute to the strain on the healthcare system as well as government expenditures.
The FDA just approved Pfizer boosters for severely immunocompromised people and is likely to give their vaccine full approval early next month. Maybe that will persuade the anti-vaxxers who've been doubting its efficacy and/or safety to get vaccinated, although I doubt it.
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Posted: 08/19/21 9:24 am ::: |
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But then it occurred to me: Most people here in our fair land simply don't have enough science background to comprehend what he says, and people like MTG DO talk in *their language*, hence it's no shock that so many Americans are afraid of this simple science. It's easier for them to believe there's magical, mystical conspiracies than factual, data-driven science. |
What is an example of something Fauci said that the people you refer to couldn't understand?
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Posted: 08/23/21 7:49 am ::: |
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Could this be their motivation?
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Those who contract COVID-19 in Mississippi are being asked to either isolate at home for 10 days or more or otherwise face a prison sentence of up to five years.
Since coronavirus can be life-threatening, those who don’t comply with the alert could also potentially face a $5,000 fine along with prison time. |
https://www.wane.com/community/health/coronavirus/this-state-ordering-those-with-covid-to-isolate-or-face-up-to-5-years-in-prison/
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“Thank you for showing the fellas that you've got more balls than them,” Haley said, to cheers from the crowd.
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 08/23/21 8:54 am ::: |
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Could this be their motivation? |
Their motivation to not get vaccinated? With an FDA-approved vaccine instead of a cow medicine?
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pilight
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Posted: 08/23/21 9:06 am ::: |
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Pfizer vaccine approved by FDA
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/fda-approves-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine
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The indication granted Monday makes the 2-dose vaccine the very first approved by the FDA for the prescribed prevention of COVID-19. It comes 9 months after the historic product was granted Emergency Use Authorization. |
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