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PostPosted: 03/24/21 12:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What info do we have on COVID-19 infections in people post vaccinations?



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PostPosted: 03/24/21 3:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
What info do we have on COVID-19 infections in people post vaccinations?


The original data showed 95% of Pfizer and Moderna vax'ed people did not get infections, and the remainder had mild cases. Data from Israel shows that 85-90% of vax'ed people did not have COVID infections one month after the second vax. We haven't had enough time to churn out many legit studies yet.

I just spent an hour reading about Brazil's status, and the news is thoroughly grim. Infections are running rampant, their idiot president still refuses to mandate masks or impose any lockdown, the ICU's are full, they're running out of necessary meds, oxygen, and equipment and have applied to the WHO for help, and the death rate is over 3000 people/day.

With community spread unchecked, the opportunities for new viral mutations is high, and another 11 Brazilian variants have been identified, each with mutations similar to those already seen in the previously identified variants, but each of these also has a mutation to the area that binds antibodies. This makes it more difficult for vaccine-stimulated antibodies to do their job.

Besides more medical supplies and another president, the answer for Brazil is to vaccinate everyone asap to decrease the viral load in circulation and diminish the opportunities for mutations. We have a similar situation here with no decrease in case numbers this month, and with new variants absent the concerning mutations seen in Brazil, and we need to reinforce masks and social distancing and vaccinate everyone asap too.


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PostPosted: 03/24/21 5:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Well. Speaking of the importance of vaccinating the rest of the world. I would suggest that WE will be blamed and scorned around the world for a century if coronavirus continues to mutate and bring about the ongoing deaths of so many everywhere else on the planet.

Because of this:

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PostPosted: 03/25/21 4:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
What info do we have on COVID-19 infections in people post vaccinations?


Here's a good answer to that question...

Dramatic Drop in COVID-19 Cases Seen Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers
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Data from healthcare workers at medical centers in the United States and Israel are confirming the effectiveness of both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines against COVID-19...

Pooled employee data from the University of California, San Diego and the University of California Los Angeles health systems shows that during a system of aggressive testing, conducted during a surge of COVID-19 cases in the general population, the rate of new infections among the staff dropped dramatically, beginning the second week after the first dose was given.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/947971?src=wnl_edit_tpal&uac=369619HT&impID=3271874&faf=1[/b]


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PostPosted: 03/29/21 9:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

New Covid vaccines needed globally within a year, say scientists

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The planet could have a year or less before first-generation Covid-19 vaccines are ineffective and modified formulations are needed, according to a survey of epidemiologists, virologists and infectious disease specialists.


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PostPosted: 04/07/21 8:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Army’s own vaccine that could fight COVID variants begins clinical trials

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The vaccine, called spike ferritin nanoparticle, or SpFN, could also help fight other coronaviruses, a group of related RNA viruses that often cause respiratory-related diseases in mammals.


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The vaccine was developed by the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research with support from the Henry M. Jackson Foundation for the Advancement of Military Medicine, Inc.


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PostPosted: 04/13/21 8:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Moderna Covid vaccine efficacy falls slightly to 90% in US trial

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US biotech company Moderna announced Covid vaccine is 90 percent effective against all forms of the disease and 95 percent effective against severe disease.


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 12:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Some perspective on the clotting risk, occurrence of blood clots in US.

J&J vaccine.......6 cases in 7.2M doses....... 0.000083%
BCP's.......50-1200 cases per 1M pts......... 0.05%-0.12%
Cig smoking....1763 cases per 1M smokers... 0.18%
General population 900K per 335M US res..... 0.27%
COVID infection 165K cases per 1M pts.... 16.5%


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PostPosted: 04/14/21 10:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

FrozenLVFan wrote:
Some perspective on the clotting risk, occurrence of blood clots in US.

J&J vaccine.......6 cases in 7.2M doses....... 0.000083%


So this is technically correct math but after further reading I've found that it's not applicable in this situation. So this is striking women under the age of 48. First, a great deal of vaccinations given have been to Americans older than that. And the J&J in particular has been used in vaccinating people in retirement homes or care facilities that can't make trips out to get multiple vaccines. Plus a significant percentage of that 7.2M who've been given the J&J shot were men of all ages.

So the cases/risk numbers for the women who are in the under 48 age group and therefore susceptible to this blood clotting disorder are going to be much different.

I still think halting J&J vaccinations and giving this that level of attention is a horrific error on the part of the government. I don't know who was in on that decision but it was insanity to do that. You could have paused on women under the age of 48 but I'm not sure even that was warranted. Too early in the morning to keep pounding out scorn for that decision but it throws the whole idea of allowing one's self to be vaccinated into question, but now with the stamp of approval by the US government itself. It legitimizes concerns in the general population for something that is even extremely rare for those at risk. I mean, can you imagine the level of risk for everyone who is not a woman under the age of 48? Neither can I.



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PostPosted: 04/14/21 10:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Moderna Covid vaccine efficacy falls slightly to 90% in US trial

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US biotech company Moderna announced Covid vaccine is 90 percent effective against all forms of the disease and 95 percent effective against severe disease.


That's kind of a bummer. Mad I mean, lol, it's still an EXTRAORDINARILY effective vaccine but 95% is certainly not 100% if you're in the 5%.



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PostPosted: 04/15/21 2:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
tfan wrote:
Moderna Covid vaccine efficacy falls slightly to 90% in US trial

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US biotech company Moderna announced Covid vaccine is 90 percent effective against all forms of the disease and 95 percent effective against severe disease.


That's kind of a bummer. Mad I mean, lol, it's still an EXTRAORDINARILY effective vaccine but 95% is certainly not 100% if you're in the 5%.


Not just that, but no one knows if they are in the 5% or not. So the worst case scenario for a vaccinated person goes from "you will be sick at home" to "you will be hospitalized". Hopefully death is not/never a part of the 5%. The hospitalized cases probably have a much higher chance of long-term damage. So, I may not be changing shopping and dining habits like I thought.


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PostPosted: 04/15/21 6:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I hear you, tfan. Definitely reassessing the more ambitious plans to normalize our lives here. It’s hard because there is such a large and visible segment of the population on the westside of LA that seems to have never missed a fine dining beat throughout the last year. So you’re thinking okay now we’re vaccinated let’s walk up the street and eat something that I haven’t cooked for a change.

But our first two attempts eating out combine to make a depressing downer of a post apocalyptic short story in and of themselves. Lessons are being learned the hard way. But now you’ve got a fully vaccinated guy dying after getting the J&J shot and doctors saying that’s to be expected when the only thing I’d heard previously was that even the J&J was 100% effective at preventing death.

What are you going to do. Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 04/15/21 8:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
I hear you, tfan. Definitely reassessing the more ambitious plans to normalize our lives here. It’s hard because there is such a large and visible segment of the population on the westside of LA that seems to have never missed a fine dining beat throughout the last year. So you’re thinking okay now we’re vaccinated let’s walk up the street and eat something that I haven’t cooked for a change.

But our first two attempts eating out combine to make a depressing downer of a post apocalyptic short story in and of themselves. Lessons are being learned the hard way. But now you’ve got a fully vaccinated guy dying after getting the J&J shot and doctors saying that’s to be expected when the only thing I’d heard previously was that even the J&J was 100% effective at preventing death.

What are you going to do. Rolling Eyes


Be happy that I have my shots and continue to wear my mask/social distance. Laughing



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PostPosted: 04/17/21 8:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Pfizer CEO says COVID-19 vaccine booster dose 'likely' necessary within 12 months

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Bourla also reportedly said it's possible that getting vaccinated against COVID-19 annually will be necessary.


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PostPosted: 04/17/21 8:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Pfizer CEO says COVID-19 vaccine booster dose 'likely' necessary within 12 months

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Bourla also reportedly said it's possible that getting vaccinated against COVID-19 annually will be necessary.


And yearly. Then again he’s in the business of selling vaccines.



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PostPosted: 04/18/21 1:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

All the epidemiologists and virologists who aren't selling vaccines have said from the beginning that annual boosters will likely be necessary. The biggest concern has been to develop a vaccine that's effective for a year, then the boosters can be given with your annual flu shot.


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PostPosted: 04/18/21 8:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Moderna CEO was interviewed on some financial show I was watching and he was talking about them coming out with a flu and coronavirus vaccine in one shot. He also talked about mRNA being used to come up with an HIV vaccine and shots that would kill certain types of cancer. There was even something about the heart that I only half heard. I think it might have been for repair after a heart attack.


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PostPosted: 04/19/21 2:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The NIH has set up a new program in emerging infectious diseases that aims to catalog the bat viruses that are a potential threat to humans and to sequence their genomes so the next time this happens an mRNA vaccine can be made very quickly. (I think the vaccines were produced extremely quickly for COVID anyway.)


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PostPosted: 04/27/21 2:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Miami private school Centner Academy won’t employ vaccinated teachers, staff

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article250961279.html

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Leila Centner, who co-founded the school with husband David Centner, warned that vaccinated persons “may be transmitting something from their bodies” that could harm others, particularly the “reproductive systems, fertility, and normal growth and development in women and children.”



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PostPosted: 04/29/21 10:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The CDC is reporting on how many vaccinated people have gotten COVID-19 to this point.

- 75 million people have now been fully vaccinated
- so far (likely continue to go up with time) about 5,800 fully vaccinated people have gone on to get COVID-19
- about 400 of the 5,800 have required hospitalization
- 74 of the 400 hospitalized have died

So it turns out the "worst case scenario" for a vaccinated person is death from COVID-19. Sad I don't think I'll be going to any sporting events anytime soon.


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PostPosted: 04/30/21 9:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
The CDC is reporting on how many vaccinated people have gotten COVID-19 to this point.

- 75 million people have now been fully vaccinated
- so far (likely continue to go up with time) about 5,800 fully vaccinated people have gone on to get COVID-19
- about 400 of the 5,800 have required hospitalization
- 74 of the 400 hospitalized have died

So it turns out the "worst case scenario" for a vaccinated person is death from COVID-19. :( I don't think I'll be going to any sporting events anytime soon.


You shouldn't, as a fully vaccinated person, because you will probably have to take a vehicle to the sports arena and your risk of dying in a traffic accident is about 124 times that of dying of Covid.

Assuming without evidence that all 400 of the 5,800 were hospitalized solely or primarily for Covid, and further assuming without evidence that the 74 deaths of the 400 were due solely or primarily from Covid, the chances of a fully vaccinated person dying of Covid based on these data are 74 per a 75 million population, which we can round off to odds of 1 in a million.

The statistics of dying in an auto accident in the U.S. are 12.4 per 100,000 population, which we can round off to odds of 124 in a million.

Please follow the science, tfan, and never drive anywhere again.
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PostPosted: 04/30/21 10:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

How can you so flagrantly abuse "statistics" and still claim your results as science?
Some key words were right there in tfan's post, but you ignored them and compared a small bag of apples to 365 oranges.



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PostPosted: 05/02/21 7:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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How can you so flagrantly abuse "statistics" and still claim your results as science?
Some key words were right there in tfan's post, but you ignored them and compared a small bag of apples to 365 oranges.


(You HAVE met "lawyers" before, haven't you Luuuc?? Razz )



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PostPosted: 05/04/21 12:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
How can you so flagrantly abuse "statistics" and still claim your results as science?
Some key words were right there in tfan's post, but you ignored them and compared a small bag of apples to 365 oranges.


I honestly have no idea what you're talking about, Luuuc. What statistics did I flagrantly abuse?
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