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Leaving out Rennia Davis? Really?
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| Posted: 03/17/21 11:46 am ::: Re: AP All-American Team |
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Leaving out Rennia Davis? Really? |
I feel you. Who would you replace her with?
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| Posted: 03/17/21 12:04 pm ::: |
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AP Honorable Mentions are:
Kierstan Bell, Florida Gulf Coast
Katie Benzan, Maryland
Jakia Brown-Turner, NC State
Rennia Davis, Tennessee;
Kysre Gondrezick, West Virginia
Arella Guirantes, Rutgers
Lauren Gustin, BYU
Mackenzie Holmes, Indiana
Cece Hooks, Ohio
Ashley Joens, Iowa State
Haley Jones, Stanford
N'dea Jones, Texas AM
Olivia Nelson-Ododa, UConn
Aisha Shepherd, Virginia Tech
Jill Townsend, Gonzaga
Christyn Williams, UConn
Aaliyah Wilson, Texas A&M
Jenn Wirth, Gonzaga
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| Posted: 03/17/21 12:05 pm ::: Re: AP All-American Team |
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| summertime blues wrote: |
Leaving out Rennia Davis? Really? |
I feel you. Who would you replace her with? |
I think she's a better overall player than Howard, frankly.
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| Posted: 03/17/21 12:37 pm ::: |
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This list shows (in parentheses) how many first team votes each player got and also how many total voting points. I don't believe the AP has formally announced their NPOY, but given that Bueckers got the most total voting points, that would seem to favor her.
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Paige Bueckers, UConn, 5-11, freshman, Hopkins, Minn., 19.7 ppg, 53.9 fg pct, 6.1 apg, 2.29 steals (28 of 30 first-place votes, 146 points)
Dana Evans, Louisville, 5-6, senior, Gary, Ind., 20 ppg, 43.2 fg pct, 4.2 apg, (25, 140)
Aliyah Boston, South Carolina, 6-5, sophomore, St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands, 13.69 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 50.2 fg pct, 1.6 apg, 2.9 blocks (21, 127)
Rhyne Howard, Kentucky, 6-2, junior, Cleveland, Tenn., 20.7 ppg, 44.8 fg pct, 3.5 apg, 2.32 steals (16, 117)
NaLyssa Smith, Baylor, 6-2, junior, Converse, Texas, 18.1 ppg, 54.3 fg pct (16, 114)
Elissa Cunane, NC State, 6-5, junior, Summerfield, N.C., 16.8 ppg, 57.0 fg pct (13, 107)
Naz Hillmon, Michigan, 6-2, junior, Cleveland, Ohio, 25.1 ppg, 63.7 fg pct (11, 97)
Aari McDonald, Arizona, 5-7, senior, Fresno, Calif., 19.3 ppg, 38.9 fg pct, 4.5 apg, 2.71 steals (8, 96)
Caitlin Clark, Iowa, 6-0, freshman, West Des Moines, Iowa, 26.7 ppg, 47.0 fg pct, 7.2 apg (3, 70)
Charli Collier, Texas, 6-5, junior, Mont Belvieu, Texas, 20.1 ppg, 51.3 fg pct, 1.2 blocks (3, 58)
Natasha Mack, Oklahoma State, 6-4, senior, Lufkin, Texas, 19.8 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 53.1 fg pct, 4.1 blocks, 2.04 steals (0, 53)
Ashley Owusu, Maryland, 6-0, sophomore, Woodbridge, Va., 18.3 ppg, 48.5 fg pct, 5.8 apg (0, 44)
Michaela Onyenwere, UCLA, 5-11, senior, Aurora, Colo., 18.7 ppg, 41.8 fg pct (0, 42)
Kiana Williams, Stanford, 5-8, senior, San Antonio, Texas, 14.3 ppg, 42 fg pct (2, 31)
Chelsea Dungee, Arkansas, 5-11, senior, Sapulpa, Okla., 22.2 ppg, 42.7 fg pct, (1, 26) |
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| Posted: 03/17/21 12:55 pm ::: Re: AP All-American Team |
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| summertime blues wrote: |
Leaving out Rennia Davis? Really? |
I feel you. Who would you replace her with? |
I think she's a better overall player than Howard, frankly. |
Davis is a good player but I don’t think her stats come close to Howard.
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| Posted: 03/17/21 12:56 pm ::: |
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| Thanks for tracking this down, Glenn. I find it annoying that there isn't one centralized press release with all this info and instead we have to track it down through various schools. Or if there is a centralized release it's hard to find!
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| Posted: 03/17/21 1:02 pm ::: |
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| Thanks for tracking this down, Glenn. I find it annoying that there isn't one centralized press release with all this info and instead we have to track it down through various schools. Or if there is a centralized release it's hard to find! |
The AP obviously sends a detailed press release to the schools, but it is very frustrating that they don't seem to put it in some easy-to-find public place, such as their own website. |
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| Posted: 03/17/21 1:36 pm ::: |
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| GlennMacGrady wrote: |
This list shows (in parentheses) how many first team votes each player got and also how many total voting points. I don't believe the AP has formally announced their NPOY, but given that Bueckers got the most total voting points, that would seem to favor her.
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Paige Bueckers, UConn, 5-11, freshman, Hopkins, Minn., 19.7 ppg, 53.9 fg pct, 6.1 apg, 2.29 steals (28 of 30 first-place votes, 146 points)
Dana Evans, Louisville, 5-6, senior, Gary, Ind., 20 ppg, 43.2 fg pct, 4.2 apg, (25, 140)
Aliyah Boston, South Carolina, 6-5, sophomore, St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands, 13.69 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 50.2 fg pct, 1.6 apg, 2.9 blocks (21, 127)
Rhyne Howard, Kentucky, 6-2, junior, Cleveland, Tenn., 20.7 ppg, 44.8 fg pct, 3.5 apg, 2.32 steals (16, 117)
NaLyssa Smith, Baylor, 6-2, junior, Converse, Texas, 18.1 ppg, 54.3 fg pct (16, 114)
Elissa Cunane, NC State, 6-5, junior, Summerfield, N.C., 16.8 ppg, 57.0 fg pct (13, 107)
Naz Hillmon, Michigan, 6-2, junior, Cleveland, Ohio, 25.1 ppg, 63.7 fg pct (11, 97)
Aari McDonald, Arizona, 5-7, senior, Fresno, Calif., 19.3 ppg, 38.9 fg pct, 4.5 apg, 2.71 steals (8, 96)
Caitlin Clark, Iowa, 6-0, freshman, West Des Moines, Iowa, 26.7 ppg, 47.0 fg pct, 7.2 apg (3, 70)
Charli Collier, Texas, 6-5, junior, Mont Belvieu, Texas, 20.1 ppg, 51.3 fg pct, 1.2 blocks (3, 5
Natasha Mack, Oklahoma State, 6-4, senior, Lufkin, Texas, 19.8 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 53.1 fg pct, 4.1 blocks, 2.04 steals (0, 53)
Ashley Owusu, Maryland, 6-0, sophomore, Woodbridge, Va., 18.3 ppg, 48.5 fg pct, 5.8 apg (0, 44)
Michaela Onyenwere, UCLA, 5-11, senior, Aurora, Colo., 18.7 ppg, 41.8 fg pct (0, 42)
Kiana Williams, Stanford, 5-8, senior, San Antonio, Texas, 14.3 ppg, 42 fg pct (2, 31)
Chelsea Dungee, Arkansas, 5-11, senior, Sapulpa, Okla., 22.2 ppg, 42.7 fg pct, (1, 26) |
Do they have a voter breakdown? Because I can almost guarantee that one of the two people that didn't vote for Paige, was Debbie Antonelli.
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| Posted: 03/17/21 3:06 pm ::: Re: AP All-American Team |
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1st team:
Paige Bueckers (named POY receiving 28 of 30 first place votes)
Dana Evans
Aliyah Boston
Rhyne Howard
NaLyssa Smith
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Preseason AP first team was
Howard
Evans
Onyenwere
Boston
McDonald
So Onyenwere and McDonald dropped it like it’s hot.
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| Posted: 03/17/21 7:37 pm ::: |
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| Hooray for Cece Hooks! It's been a pleasure watching her play for the past 4 years.
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| Posted: 03/17/21 8:10 pm ::: |
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| Kiana Williams has no business making it over Rennia Davis, or maybe even a few others(Depending on how you view mid-major stats in these discussions)
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| Posted: 03/17/21 8:56 pm ::: |
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| I agree with other posts, Rennia had a great season and should've been on this list. Dare I say she was one the, if not thee, best rebounder in the country this season?
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| Posted: 03/18/21 5:11 am ::: |
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| I agree with other posts, Rennia had a great season and should've been on this list. Dare I say she was one the, if not thee, best rebounder in the country this season? |
Davis ranked 85th in total rebounds(194) and 79th in rebounds per game, 8.8 per game.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-women/d1
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| Posted: 03/18/21 8:09 am ::: |
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| I agree with other posts, Rennia had a great season and should've been on this list. Dare I say she was one the, if not thee, best rebounder in the country this season? |
Davis ranked 85th in total rebounds(194) and 79th in rebounds per game, 8.8 per game.
https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-women/d1 |
8.8 rebounds going up against tough comp in the SEC night in and night out? I'll take it! Numbers aren't everything
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| Posted: 03/18/21 9:41 am ::: |
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| Kiana Williams has no business making it over Rennia Davis, or maybe even a few others(Depending on how you view mid-major stats in these discussions) |
Character matters.....
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| Posted: 03/18/21 11:26 am ::: |
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| I agree with other posts, Rennia had a great season and should've been on this list. Dare I say she was one the, if not thee, best rebounder in the country this season? |
She was tied for 77th in rebounding. Her overall stats weren't any better than Rae Burrell's (Davis is a better rebounder, Burrell is a better outside shooter and defender).
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| Posted: 03/18/21 6:48 pm ::: Re: AP All-American Team |
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| ~UK~ wrote: |
| summertime blues wrote: |
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| summertime blues wrote: |
Leaving out Rennia Davis? Really? |
I feel you. Who would you replace her with? |
I think she's a better overall player than Howard, frankly. |
Davis is a good player but I don’t think her stats come close to Howard. |
Rennia Davis: 17.2ppg, 8.8rpg, 2.4apg, 0.8spg, 0.4bpg, 48.6%FG, 55.3%2P, 27.1%3P, 83.7%FT
Rhyne Howard: 20.7ppg, 7.3 rpg, 3.5apg, 2.3spg, 0.8bpg, 44.8%FG, 49.8%2P, 36.6%3P, 78.2%FT
Rennia was 3rd in the SEC in PER and win-shares, 2nd in offensive rating, and 29th in defensive rating.
Rhyne was 1st in the SEC in PER, 2nd in win-shares, 5th in offensive rating, and 46th in defensive rating.
I think Rennia's case is hurt from a slow start to the season (her numbers in SEC play are all fairly significantly improved from her overall averages) and from her equally sharing a lot of offensive responsibilities with Rae Burrell.
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(spelled 'eaz Hillmon') You can say just a accidental typo...but it's also indicative of the lack of national attention she has received.