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PostPosted: 08/29/21 1:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

2020 W-L records
LAS 15-7
WAS 9-13
DAL 8-14
ATL 7-15
IND 6-16
NYL 2-20

2021 W-L records 8/28/21
DAL 11-15
NYL 11-16
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WAS 10-15
LAS (DAL) 10-16
ATL 6-19
IND 5-19

Combined W-L records 8/28/21
DAL 19-29
NYL 13-36
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LAS (DAL) 25-23
WAS 19-28
ATL 13-34
IND 11-35



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2020 W-L records
LAS 15-7
WAS 9-13
DAL 8-14
ATL 7-15
IND 6-16
NYL 2-20

2021 W-L records 8/31/21
DAL 11-15
NYL 11-17
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WAS 10-16
LAS (DAL) 10-17
IND 6-19
ATL 6-19

Combined W-L records 8/31/21
DAL 19-29
NYL 13-37
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LAS (DAL) 25-24
WAS 19-29
ATL 13-34
IND 12-35



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2020 W-L records
LAS 15-7
WAS 9-13
DAL 8-14
ATL 7-15
IND 6-16
NYL 2-20

2021 W-L records 9/02/21
DAL 12-15
WAS 10-16
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NYL 11-18
LAS (DAL) 10-18
IND 6-19
ATL 6-20

Combined W-L records 9/02/21
DAL 20-29
WAS 19-29
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LAS (DAL) 25-25
ATL 13-35
IND 12-35
NYL 13-38



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PostPosted: 09/04/21 10:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

2020 W-L records
LAS 15-7
WAS 9-13
DAL 8-14
ATL 7-15
IND 6-16
NYL 2-20

2021 W-L records 9/04/21
DAL 12-15
NYL 11-18
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WAS 10-17
LAS (DAL) 10-18
IND 6-20
ATL 6-20

Combined W-L records 9/04/21
DAL 20-29
NYL 13-38
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LAS (DAL) 25-25
WAS 19-30
ATL 13-35
IND 12-36



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PostPosted: 09/05/21 8:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I like what you are doing here, thank you.

What happens if the Dream and Fever tie in combined Ws and Ls? Are the percentages for the lottery split (Last % + Second Last %) /2 or is there a tie break procedure ?


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PostPosted: 09/05/21 9:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RI_Sun_Fan wrote:
I like what you are doing here, thank you.

What happens if the Dream and Fever tie in combined Ws and Ls? Are the percentages for the lottery split (Last % + Second Last %) /2 or is there a tie break procedure ?


In the past when there have been ties they split the percentages



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I love how we always have a finger in the PP’s year after year Confused Laughing



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I love how we always have a finger in the PP’s year after year Confused Laughing

Yes, draft those high lottery picks and park their butts on the end of the bench for the entire season with zero playing time.



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2020 W-L records
LAS 15-7
WAS 9-13
DAL 8-14
ATL 7-15
IND 6-16
NYL 2-20

2021 W-L records 9/05/21
DAL 12-16
NYL 11-18
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WAS 10-17
LAS (DAL) 10-18
ATL 7-20
IND 6-20

Combined W-L records 9/05/21
DAL 20-30
NYL 13-38
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LAS (DAL) 25-25
WAS 19-30
ATL 14-35
IND 12-36

Race for worst combined losses
ATL has 5 games left: PHX, @WAS, IND, LAS, @CON
If they lose out they’ll have 40 combined losses.

NYL has 3 games left: @DAL, @CON, WAS
If they lose out they’ll have 41 combined losses.

IND has 6 games left: PHX, @MIN, @MIN, @ATL, MIN, @CHI
If they lose out they’ll have 42 combined losses.



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PostPosted: 09/06/21 11:08 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Rock Hard wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I love how we always have a finger in the PP’s year after year Confused Laughing

Yes, draft those high lottery picks and park their butts on the end of the bench for the entire season with zero playing time.


This…….



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PostPosted: 09/06/21 11:27 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I see the Fever got screwed with a back loaded schedule.


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Davis4632 wrote:
I see the Fever got screwed with a back loaded schedule.

Tank.



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Rock Hard wrote:
Davis4632 wrote:
I see the Fever got screwed with a back loaded schedule.

Tank.


Still won’t end up with #1 if history matters and if they do their drafting Cunane with the pick! Count that twice Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 09/06/21 1:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Rock Hard wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I love how we always have a finger in the PP’s year after year Confused Laughing

Yes, draft those high lottery picks and park their butts on the end of the bench for the entire season with zero playing time.


But the last two drafts, besides maybe the first 5-6 picks in 2020(and Crystal Dangerfield), have been horrendous. I suspect that the only player from the 2021 draft, Michaela Onyenwere, will be in the league in 3 years. Her and maaaaaaybeee Charli Collier.


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PostPosted: 09/06/21 2:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Rock Hard wrote:
Davis4632 wrote:
I see the Fever got screwed with a back loaded schedule.

Tank.


Tank implies that the team that is tanking could really legitimately win these games at full strength and are sitting playing outs through arbitrary ways in order to lose games.


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PostPosted: 09/06/21 8:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

2020 W-L records
LAS 15-7
WAS 9-13
DAL 8-14
ATL 7-15
IND 6-16
NYL 2-20

2021 W-L records 9/06/21
DAL 12-16
NYL 11-18
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WAS 10-17
LAS (DAL) 10-18
ATL 7-20
IND 6-21

Combined W-L records 9/06/21
DAL 20-30
NYL 13-38
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LAS (DAL) 25-25
WAS 19-30
ATL 14-35
IND 12-37

Race for worst combined losses
ATL has 5 games left: PHX, @WAS, IND, LAS, @CON
If they lose out they’ll have 40 combined losses.

NYL has 3 games left: @DAL, @CON, WAS
If they lose out they’ll have 41 combined losses.

IND has 5 games left: @MIN, @MIN, @ATL, MIN, @CHI
If they lose out they’ll have 42 combined losses.



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PostPosted: 09/08/21 9:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I don't see how Naz [Hillmon] makes it given her lack of size and versatility. From those two vantage points she seems, to me, even more poorly suited to the league than Gustafson.


This is starting to age interestingly. Smile I've liked seeing Gustafson have her best past couple games as a WNBA player. Maybe she really has found something of a home, cuz honestly, Washington just might keep her around for next year assuming they can't afford to bring back some of their higher-priced post players (they 100% won't be able to afford all of them). Afaic, you can never have too much post depth in the W. And there's absolutely zero shame in being a career back-up at the highest level.

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versatility is a premium in the W. For the same reasons [that u_p said about Naz Hillmon,] I'm inclined to think that NaLyssa Smith might also be a bit overrated at this point.


Come to think of it, both Naz Hillmon and NaLyssa Smith – while they may be considered undersized, high-motor, low-shooting skill players – both sort of remind me of Atlanta's Monique Billings. Billings still doesn't even have much of a jump shot outside of the high post, but she's still in the League primarily because she has proven to be a really consistent rebounder, which both Hillmon and Smith absolutely are at the college level.

Point being, Hillmon & Smith can both take a page out of Billings' career and carve out a niche – at least to start out with. Smith certainly has more offensive potential than Billings. (And Billings may be listed at 6-4 as opposed to 6-2, but plenty of people have said that that's one of the bigger height exaggerations of the League.)

And just to come full-circle, Billings was drafted by the very coach who's in Baylor now & about to coach Smith...



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2020 W-L records
LAS 15-7
WAS 9-13
DAL 8-14
ATL 7-15
IND 6-16
NYL 2-20

2021 W-L records 9/07/21
DAL 12-17
NYL 11-18
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WAS 10-18
LAS (DAL) 10-18
ATL 7-20
IND 6-21

Combined W-L records 9/07/21
DAL 20-31
NYL 13-38
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LAS (DAL) 25-25
WAS 19-31
ATL 14-35
IND 12-37

Race for worst combined losses
ATL has 5 games left: PHX, @WAS, IND, LAS, @CON
If they lose out they’ll have 40 combined losses.

NYL has 3 games left: @DAL, @CON, WAS
If they lose out they’ll have 41 combined losses.

IND has 5 games left: @MIN, @MIN, @ATL, MIN, @CHI
If they lose out they’ll have 42 combined losses.



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PostPosted: 09/08/21 10:43 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I've had some of the same thoughts about Smith and Hillmon being undersized. That made me go back and watch more video on them. Smith is much quicker and more athletic than Hillmon. NaLyssa also displays some ability to hit mid-range jump shots. I think she is much more capable of compensating for her lack of height. Hillmon looks like she succeds mostly off positioning, timely cuts, and good touch off the glass. I'm not convinced that's enough at the next level. As far as the comparison to Gustafson goes, I'd argue that Megan relies primarily on footwork and technique. Those skills can be refined and improved. Overall, I like Smith and Gustafson a lot more than Hillmon.

Off-topic, but oddly related is Ashley Joens. I don't think most people realize that she's actually playing PF for Iowa State. Ashley has a wing player's 6-0 body without any extraordinary strength or athleticism. She will definitely have to transition to SF. The good news is that Joens handles the ball well and shoots 3s decently (career 164-463 .354). However, what makes her a great college player is her ability to rebound (10+ rpg combined over 2 seasons) and her skill scoring in the paint. Joens is able to dribble through traffic like Chelsea Dungee and finish like Hillmon. Those are great things at the college level, but I'm not sure how well they'll translate to the WNBA. I suspect Joens is going to be a polarizing figure. Some fans will love Ashley because she is really crafty and tough. Others will question her athletic ability. I'm going to duck the debate and offer Rae Burrell as a safer bet. She is a long 6-1 SG who is athletic enough to stay there at the next level. Burrell is a consistent jump-shooter with some ability to score at every level. She just looks like a pro player to me.



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PostPosted: 09/08/21 11:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The good news for Hillmon is, she may be Napheesa Collier's body with Monique Billings' skillset (even less so, honestly), but at least both of those players have been pretty good rebounders. (While Collier's rebounding numbers are down from last year, it's likely related to both the plantar fasciitis she's been battling and the fact that Sylvia Fowles has been alongside her this whole season & has done more of the heavy lifting in that category.)

Hillmon I think completely fits the bill in being a career backup in the W. At 6-2, she's not so undersized to where she'll have to consider becoming a SF like Ashley Joens will. Given how prevalent injuries in this League are, Hillmon will probably find herself playing out of position more at the 5 than anything, in addition to being at the 4 where I think she should be in the pros. She seems to play at the 5 for Michigan now, fwiw.

How much would we say that Joens as a player resembles her former ISU teammate Bridget Carleton when Carleton was there? There are several similarities statistically, but I didn't really catch much of Carleton back in her college days.



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PostPosted: 09/08/21 1:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There are definitely similarities between Carleton and Joens to the extent that both filled up the stat sheet. I remember Carleton as more of a wing player even though she is a bit taller on paper. Joens is probably playing PF because Iowa State has a lot of perimeter players and this is the only way Bill Fennelly can get his best players on the court at the same time (unlike NYL management who intentionally built a small team). Whether by choice or because it's needed by her team, Joens has become a big-time scorer in the paint. Carleton was much more of a long-distance bomber.



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2020 W-L records
LAS 15-7
WAS 9-13
DAL 8-14
ATL 7-15
IND 6-16
NYL 2-20

2021 W-L records 9/08/21
DAL 12-17
NYL 11-18
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WAS 10-18
LAS (DAL) 10-18
ATL 7-21
IND 6-21

Combined W-L records 9/08/21
DAL 20-31
NYL 13-38
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LAS (DAL) 25-25
WAS 19-31
ATL 14-36
IND 12-37

Race for worst combined losses
ATL has 4 games left: @WAS, IND, LAS, @CON
If they lose out they’ll have 40 combined losses.

NYL has 3 games left: @DAL, @CON, WAS
If they lose out they’ll have 41 combined losses.

IND has 5 games left: @MIN, @MIN, @ATL, MIN, @CHI
If they lose out they’ll have 42 combined losses.



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PostPosted: 09/08/21 10:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

That Indiana @ Atlanta matchup on Tuesday should be grotesquely interesting... or should I say, interestingly grotesque... hmm...

I suppose pro-Lottery Liberty fans (which incidentally includes me) will be rooting for Indiana that day. Otherwise, between Atlanta & Indiana, it's really hard to say who legitimately needs the #1 Pick more, since both teams are in the absolute pits these days. I do acknowledge that the Fever theoretically deserve it more since they've never had one, but... would the decision-makers in Indianapolis truly do right by it? Confused



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Stormeo wrote:
That Indiana @ Atlanta matchup on Tuesday should be grotesquely interesting... or should I say, interestingly grotesque... hmm...

I suppose pro-Lottery Liberty fans (which incidentally includes me) will be rooting for Indiana that day. Otherwise, between Atlanta & Indiana, it's really hard to say who legitimately needs the #1 Pick more, since both teams are in the absolute pits these days. I do acknowledge that the Fever theoretically deserve it more since they've never had one, but... would the decision-makers in Indianapolis truly do right by it? Confused


Trouble is that Liberty will probably get the No. 1 and need it the least of the WNBA's 3 stooges (Dream, Fever, Liberty).


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Randy wrote:
Trouble is that Liberty will probably get the No. 1 and need it the least of the WNBA's 3 stooges (Dream, Fever, Liberty).


It’s the Rhyne Howard draft and she’s a good fit for every team. She can play 1-4 (4 in the Liberty system).



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