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PostPosted: 02/20/21 9:24 pm    ::: Determining conference standings with uneven amount of games Reply Reply with quote

So have conferences announced how they are going to handle conference standings and tiebreakers with uneven amount of games played for everyone? I had heard the Big East was going to go by winning percentage from the announcer on FloHoops for Marquette's game last night but I'm not sure if that's accurate or not.

The Horizon League finished their season today and these were their top 4 teams by winning percentage listing conference records:

IUPUI 11-3 - .786
UW-Green Bay 14-4 - .778
Wright State 15-5 - .750
UW-Milwaukee 15-5 - .750

Wright State and UW-Milwaukee were named co-regular season champs and Wright State got the tiebreaker to be the 1 seed in the conference tourney, UW-Green Bay finished 3rd and IUPUI was actually the 5th seed. Oakland at 12-8 - .600 was the 4th seed.

So maybe they went by number of total conference wins I guess.

https://horizonleague.org/news/2021/2/20/womens-basketball-2021-hlwbb-championship-bracket-announced.aspx


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PostPosted: 02/20/21 11:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

there's definitely some ways to game the system. Some teams have just happened to miss all the games against top teams in their conference. I mean the number of wins are a bit mis-leading if all you do is play the bottom half.

That's not to say that anybody deliberately did that, but it does look 'interesting' when you look at some teams' schedules.


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PostPosted: 02/21/21 2:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
there's definitely some ways to game the system. Some teams have just happened to miss all the games against top teams in their conference. I mean the number of wins are a bit mis-leading if all you do is play the bottom half.

That's not to say that anybody deliberately did that, but it does look 'interesting' when you look at some teams' schedules.


Ouch. That’s a hard take.


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PostPosted: 02/21/21 2:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Tennessee had a similar situation where they had Covid bubbles at times when they were supposed to play ranked teams, first Kentucky and Texas A&M. Next time it was right as they were set to face Texas A&M and Mississippi State. They have made up two of three of the four, thanks to Vandy cancelling their season.


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PostPosted: 02/24/21 10:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I just noticed Rutgers' schedule. They missed a whole lot of the games against ranked teams.

In the P12, I was hoping UCLA-Arizona would make up their missed game since they were only scheduled to play each other once but I saw an article where Adia said they weren't planning to do so. Since most P12 teams play each other twice, it's that much more important that the ones only scheduled once, do in fact play that game. JMO.

ok, looking back, I see they actually did play each other once early in the season.




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PostPosted: 02/24/21 10:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's interesting to me that DePaul is the only Big East team in Women's Basketball that didn't have a Covid pause during the season yet they are on track for only 16 of the scheduled 20 Big East games. Butler, Marquette and UCONN are on track to get in 18 league games. Xavier has the fewest league games at this point with only 10 conference games so far.


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PostPosted: 02/24/21 11:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It'll be really interesting to see how the NCAA Tourney Committee takes into account the disparity in games played, particularly for teams on the bubble. Oregon State for example is currently the last team in according to Charlie Creme's bracketology, and they almost certainly won't have played above 20 games by the time the Pac-12 Tournament ends. Meanwhile, a few teams on the bad side of Creme's bubble have already played 20 games...



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PostPosted: 02/25/21 4:36 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stormeo wrote:
It'll be really interesting to see how the NCAA Tourney Committee takes into account the disparity in games played, particularly for teams on the bubble. Oregon State for example is currently the last team in according to Charlie Creme's bracketology, and they almost certainly won't have played above 20 games by the time the Pac-12 Tournament ends. Meanwhile, a few teams on the bad side of Creme's bubble have already played 20 games...


The NCAA set a minimum of 13 games in order to be eligible to play in the tournament. The Selection Committee is supposed to choose the 33 best teams to fill the at-large berths. While I am concerned that the Committee will hide behind not having sufficient information from teams that didn't play a full schedule in most cases the decision should be clear.

Oregon St has no business being considered a bubble team. They have a win over UCLA and only 1 bad loss (to Utah). They have played 12 games in the Pac 12, going 6-6 with one game remaining against Oregon. They didn't play either Arizona St or California and played Washington St, Colorado and Utah twice. OSU is 22 in Massey (which the Committee won't consider) and 34 in the NET (which they should). Even only playing 13 games they have 3 quadrant 1 wins.


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PostPosted: 02/25/21 10:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's always a tough job, and even tougher this year ...

One point: The more games you play, the more likely you play a bad one and lose to an inferior team -- and with limited info, one bad loss could be the difference.



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PostPosted: 02/25/21 10:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
It's always a tough job, and even tougher this year ...

One point: The more games you play, the more likely you play a bad one and lose to an inferior team -- and with limited info, one bad loss could be the difference.


But also, the more games you play the more likely you are to have a game where everything goes right and you notably outperform. Then you are Arkansas with a win against UConn or Virginia Tech with a win against NC State (etc). Cutting out games makes it harder to get one of those too.


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PostPosted: 02/25/21 1:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
ClayK wrote:
It's always a tough job, and even tougher this year ...

One point: The more games you play, the more likely you play a bad one and lose to an inferior team -- and with limited info, one bad loss could be the difference.


But also, the more games you play the more likely you are to have a game where everything goes right and you notably outperform. Then you are Arkansas with a win against UConn or Virginia Tech with a win against NC State (etc). Cutting out games makes it harder to get one of those too.


Arkansas beat both UConn AND Baylor.


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PostPosted: 02/25/21 2:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

calbearman76 wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
ClayK wrote:
It's always a tough job, and even tougher this year ...

One point: The more games you play, the more likely you play a bad one and lose to an inferior team -- and with limited info, one bad loss could be the difference.


But also, the more games you play the more likely you are to have a game where everything goes right and you notably outperform. Then you are Arkansas with a win against UConn or Virginia Tech with a win against NC State (etc). Cutting out games makes it harder to get one of those too.


Arkansas beat both UConn AND Baylor.


There you go. Bet they are glad they didn't have to cancel either of those games.


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