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PostPosted: 01/06/21 5:14 pm    ::: Transactions 2021 Reply Reply with quote

https://www.wnba.com/transactions/

January 6, 2021
Phoenix Mercury: Marta Xargay – QO Extended
Phoenix Mercury: Shatori Walker-Kimbrough – QO Extended
Phoenix Mercury: Angel Robinson – QO Extended
Phoenix Mercury: Sonja Petrovic – QO Extended
Phoenix Mercury: Shey Peddy – QO Extended
Phoenix Mercury: Nia Coffey – QO Extended
Los Angeles Sparks: Brittney Sykes – QO Extended
Los Angeles Sparks: Marianna Tolo – QO Extended

January 3, 2021
New York Liberty: Han Xu – Team Option Exercised
New York Liberty: Asia Durr – Team Option Exercised
Chicago Sky: Kiah Gillespie – Rights Renounced
Minnesota Lynx: Temi Fagbenle – QO Extended
Minnesota Lynx: Anna Cruz – QO Extended
Minnesota Lynx: Bridget Carleton – QO Extended



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PostPosted: 01/06/21 5:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ooh, they actually updated it with more complete data. They've only had the Durr and Han options from Jan 3rd up for days. I would love if they'd actually start updating this page consistently with all the information that goes out to teams. Stop editing it down for the public for no good reason.

By the way, I don't understand how Chicago can 'renounce' Gillespie, given that according to the league's own information she signed a contract. They can waive her, but I don't see how they can renounce her.



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PostPosted: 01/06/21 6:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What constitutes a QO? Is vet min all they have to offer? Do they have to offer any guarantee?


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PostPosted: 01/06/21 6:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Randy wrote:
What constitutes a QO?


This is my question as well. I thought it was 4-5 years of service, but Peddy, who only has 2 years of service got a QO.

Randy wrote:
Is vet min all they have to offer?


I’m assuming the vet min is where they have to start, but could offer anything more than that if the team has room for it.

Randy wrote:
Do they have to offer any guarantee?


This is Richyyy’s alley. Laughing



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PostPosted: 01/06/21 7:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A qualifying offer (or QO) is the base offer a team has to send out in order to make the player what they're eligible to be. So a reserved qualifying offer, restricted qualifying offer, or core qualifying offer (also technically a 'rookie scale qualifying offer', but ignore that). They're all for only one year, and apart from the core version they cannot be guaranteed. They're for either the minimum or something that's barely more than the player was on last year (it varies slightly depending on designation).

The QOs are, in and of themselves, contract offers. The player is quite within her rights to just sign it, and sometimes the team won't offer anything else - so if you're reserved, it's sign it or don't play. The core QO is one year at the supermax and is guaranteed if signed (I think I remember Taj McWilliams-Franklin just signing it almost immediately once, because a one-year max was basically what she wanted). But mostly, QOs are a procedural thing to lock those players into their applicable status. If the team doesn't send one out, they lose their rights to the player and she becomes an unrestricted free agent. That's why you're seeing offers go out to random people who probably won't play. It's still worth hanging on to their rights.



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PostPosted: 01/06/21 7:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Thanks!


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PostPosted: 01/07/21 6:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

January 7, 2021
Connecticut Sun: Natisha Hiedeman – Sign Training Camp Contract
Chicago Sky: Kiah Gillespie – Waived
Los Angeles Sparks: Te’a Cooper – QO Extended



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PostPosted: 01/07/21 6:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Chicago Sky: Kiah Gillespie – Waived


Now this makes sense.

pilight wrote:
Connecticut Sun: Natisha Hiedeman – Sign Training Camp Contract


Now we’re back to not making sense...



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PostPosted: 01/07/21 7:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yep, that makes way more sense on Gillespie. People inside the league didn't understand the 'renounced' thing either. Seems like they must've forgotten she signed a contract Laughing.

I'm in a debate at the minute over whether the Hiedeman thing makes sense. She only has two years of WNBA experience, so would likely have been sent a Reserved qualifying offer by the Sun. She is then within her rights to just sign that if she wants to. That contract would then be one year non-guaranteed at the minimum, which is the central part of the definition necessary for something to count as a Training Camp Contract. Whether it technically can count as one is arguable due to other language, but that is presumably what's happened.



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PostPosted: 01/07/21 8:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Yep, that makes way more sense on Gillespie. People inside the league didn't understand the 'renounced' thing either. Seems like they must've forgotten she signed a contract Laughing.


It ultimately makes little difference in this case. My guess is she found a real job and told the team she wasn't coming.



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PostPosted: 01/07/21 8:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
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Yep, that makes way more sense on Gillespie. People inside the league didn't understand the 'renounced' thing either. Seems like they must've forgotten she signed a contract Laughing.


It ultimately makes little difference in this case. My guess is she found a real job and told the team she wasn't coming.

Yeah, largely procedural. As a third rounder she's probably better off getting off that rookie-scale contract anyway, and just signing a training camp invite with somebody.

Chicago needed the cap space, so it was always likely to be coming.



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PostPosted: 01/08/21 6:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A few more added today:

January 8, 2021

Washington Mystics: Stella Johnson – Sign Training Camp Contract
Washington Mystics: Sug Sutton – Sign Training Camp Contract
Washington Mystics: Jacki Gemelos – Sign Training Camp Contract
Minnesota Lynx: Bridget Carleton – Sign Training Camp Contract

Connecticut also confirmed that Hiedeman had simply signed her qualifying offer (as the above four presumably did as well).



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PostPosted: 01/08/21 9:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Carleton started 15 games and was 4th in minutes played. All she gets is a training camp contract? Shocked



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PostPosted: 01/08/21 11:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Carleton started 15 games and was 4th in minutes played. All she gets is a training camp contract? Shocked

She got a reserved qualifying offer to make her reserved, and signed it. I'd have waited to see if I could've negotiated anything better - especially plausible if the Lynx strike out in free agency again and end up with unused cap space - but I guess she didn't want to. The offer literally could not go any lower.



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PostPosted: 01/09/21 12:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The older transactions are interesting too.

I know that Angela Salvadores is an unrepentant chucker, but renouncing her rights seems excessive.

Katerina Elhotova has been through a lot since she signed with Minnesota and now that is officially over too.
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PostPosted: 01/09/21 7:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There's supposedly a limit on how many players each team is allowed to hold on to the rights for (although it's not in the CBA as far as I know - just one of those non-public bonus rules). That may be what precipitated those moves.

I hadn't even noticed the Elhotova one. They might've gone back and slipped that into the list several days after the fact.



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PostPosted: 01/11/21 11:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Not sure how legit these are:

Chicago Sky suspended María Conde.
Beatrice Mompremier accepted reserved qualifying offer.
Sparks re-sign Te’a Cooper.



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PostPosted: 01/11/21 12:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

All accurate. We're getting more at the official transactions page than in previous years, but Across the Timeline's version remains generally superior and updated by someone paying attention: https://acrossthetimeline.com/wnba/transactions.html

ETA: Given the timing, Cooper also must've just accepted the qualifying offer. She's not allowed to have done anything else at this point. The Sparks just phrased their press release differently.



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PostPosted: 01/11/21 6:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Is there a date set for training camps? And any discussion of a bubble?


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PostPosted: 01/13/21 6:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

January 13, 2021

Las Vegas Aces: Lindsay Allen – QO Extended
Las Vegas Aces: Emma Cannon – QO Extended
Las Vegas Aces: Liz Cambage – QO Extended
Minnesota Lynx: Erica McCall – QO Extended
Las Vegas Aces: Lindsay Allen – Sign Training Camp Contract
Las Vegas Aces: Emma Cannon – Sign Training Camp Contract

Which is a bizarre way to 'announce' that Cambage has been cored.



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PostPosted: 01/13/21 6:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
January 13, 2021
Minnesota Lynx: Erica McCall – QO Extended


C’mon, Lynx. Have more confidence in your offseason than this. I doubt she even has third round pick trade value.



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PostPosted: 01/14/21 9:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

January 13, 2021

Chicago Sky: Alexis Prince – QO Extended
Seattle Storm: Natasha Howard – QO Extended
Los Angeles Sparks: Nneka Ogwumike – QO Extended

Howard and N.Ogwumike also cored.



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PostPosted: 01/14/21 10:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

LV should consider redirecting the money it might offer to McBride and D-Rob and try and poach C. Gray, if Plum gets healthy and Cambage shows

C. Gray, Plum, McCoughtry, Wilson, Cambage
L. Allen, J. Young, Hamby, Park
pick #12 and minimum contract

shallow bench but those starters look like a championship team


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PostPosted: 01/23/21 8:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A signing! Sort of.

January 23, 2021
Phoenix Mercury: Nia Coffey – Sign Regular Contract

Again, merely someone accepting their qualifying offer. A bit different from the previous ones, because it was a Restricted qualifying offer and very slightly more than the minimum, therefore doesn't count as a training camp contract and has to be included on the cap.



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PostPosted: 02/10/21 7:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Phoenix Mercury: Nia Coffey – Waived


Casualty of war..



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