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PostPosted: 11/07/20 12:12 pm    ::: Kamala Harris Reply Reply with quote

Felt this needed it's own thread.

For the first time in US history a woman will hold the office of Vice President.

She is also the first Black and Asian vice president.



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She’s a California ass-sucker. The absolute personification of an empty vessel politician. She was the weakest candidate in the entire primary field. She was totally exposed in the debates and town halls and her bizarre but perfectly in character laugh down Nora O’Donnell interview.

Please don’t ask anyone to give a shit about her gender or skin color. This thing we have now about celebrating someone’s minority status and allowing that to override their complete inadequacies is nauseating.

Kamala Harris is nothing to celebrate. Neither is this fucking demented loser who has NEVER had anything to offer the American people. They were the two weakest candidates in the entire Democratic Primary field. And now look where they are. Elizabeth Warren? A brilliant women with actual passion and a binder full of progressive policy ideas that could have actually made a difference in changing the direction this country is going and the lives of the American people? She’s gone. Forever. The talents she might have brought to the White House as president? Wasted. Cast on the junk heap of history in favor of these two.

Ditto Bernie Sanders. Passion? A FUCKING LIFETIME OF IT!! Actual ideas.

Oh no. Don’t try to ram this gender ethnicity shit down my throat. Trump is gone and I don’t have to hold back my scorn under the threat of being accused of helping to get him re-elected. And now I want to do my part to DESTROY the Democratic Party that orchestrated this abomination of an administration. This shit is on and I won’t be holding back here or anywhere else.

Harris is the darling of the actual Rockefeller Republican California l ULTRA rich liberal. She’s their pretty prize pooch. She sucks their asses. And she’s an idiot. She has all the intellectual depth of a fucking wading pool. Fuck her and fuck this thread.



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PostPosted: 11/07/20 1:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
She’s a California ass-sucker. The absolute personification of an empty vessel politician. She was the weakest candidate in the entire primary field. She was totally exposed in the debates and town halls and her bizarre but perfectly in character laugh down Nora O’Donnell interview.

Please don’t ask anyone to give a shit about her gender or skin color. This thing we have now about celebrating someone’s minority status and allowing that to override their complete inadequacies is nauseating.

Kamala Harris is nothing to celebrate. Neither is this fucking demented loser who has NEVER had anything to offer the American people. They were the two weakest candidates in the entire Democratic Primary field. And now look where they are. Elizabeth Warren? A brilliant women with actual passion and a binder full of progressive policy ideas that could have actually made a difference in changing the direction this country is going and the lives of the American people? She’s gone. Forever. The talents she might have brought to the White House as president? Wasted. Cast on the junk heap of history in favor of these two.

Ditto Bernie Sanders. Passion? A FUCKING LIFETIME OF IT!! Actual ideas.

Oh no. Don’t try to ram this gender ethnicity shit down my throat. Trump is gone and I don’t have to hold back my scorn under the threat of being accused of helping to get him re-elected. And now I want to do my part to DESTROY the Democratic Party that orchestrated this abomination of an administration. This shit is on and I won’t be holding back here or anywhere else.

Harris is the darling of the actual Rockefeller Republican California l ULTRA rich liberal. She’s their pretty prize pooch. She sucks their asses. And she’s an idiot. She has all the intellectual depth of a fucking wading pool. Fuck her and fuck this thread.


Duly noted.

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PostPosted: 11/07/20 1:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
She was the weakest candidate in the entire primary field


Of the people who were serious candidates, not the Marianne Williamson types.

That's what made her the ideal running mate. She didn't overshadow the top of the ticket like practically anyone else would have.



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PostPosted: 11/07/20 1:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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jammerbirdi wrote:
She was the weakest candidate in the entire primary field


Of the people who were serious candidates, not the Marianne Williamson types.

That's what made her the ideal running mate. She didn't overshadow the top of the ticket like practically anyone else would have.


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PostPosted: 11/07/20 1:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If you needed a WOC why not Susan Rice? She is at least a brilliant women. Ah pilight already answered that. But we will all be asking ourselves this in about a year or two.



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PostPosted: 11/07/20 1:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm happy for Maya Rudolph


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PostPosted: 11/07/20 1:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

J-Spoon wrote:
I'm happy for Maya Rudolph


She’d make a better president.



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PostPosted: 11/07/20 2:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
If you needed a WOC why not Susan Rice? She is at least a brilliant women. Ah pilight already answered that. But we will all be asking ourselves this in about a year or two.


Well, also he didn't want to make foreign policy part of the campaign and he definitely didn't want Rice's uber-interventionist stance to be a part of it.



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PostPosted: 11/07/20 5:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
If you needed a WOC why not Susan Rice? She is at least a brilliant women. Ah pilight already answered that. But we will all be asking ourselves this in about a year or two.


Well, also he didn't want to make foreign policy part of the campaign and he definitely didn't want Rice's uber-interventionist stance to be a part of it.


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PostPosted: 11/07/20 7:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
She’s a California ass-sucker. The absolute personification of an empty vessel politician. She was the weakest candidate in the entire primary field. She was totally exposed in the debates and town halls and her bizarre but perfectly in character laugh down Nora O’Donnell interview.

Please don’t ask anyone to give a shit about her gender or skin color. This thing we have now about celebrating someone’s minority status and allowing that to override their complete inadequacies is nauseating.

Kamala Harris is nothing to celebrate. Neither is this fucking demented loser who has NEVER had anything to offer the American people. They were the two weakest candidates in the entire Democratic Primary field. And now look where they are. Elizabeth Warren? A brilliant women with actual passion and a binder full of progressive policy ideas that could have actually made a difference in changing the direction this country is going and the lives of the American people? She’s gone. Forever. The talents she might have brought to the White House as president? Wasted. Cast on the junk heap of history in favor of these two.

Ditto Bernie Sanders. Passion? A FUCKING LIFETIME OF IT!! Actual ideas.

Oh no. Don’t try to ram this gender ethnicity shit down my throat. Trump is gone and I don’t have to hold back my scorn under the threat of being accused of helping to get him re-elected. And now I want to do my part to DESTROY the Democratic Party that orchestrated this abomination of an administration. This shit is on and I won’t be holding back here or anywhere else.

Harris is the darling of the actual Rockefeller Republican California l ULTRA rich liberal. She’s their pretty prize pooch. She sucks their asses. And she’s an idiot. She has all the intellectual depth of a fucking wading pool. Fuck her and fuck this thread.


Serious question...would either of them have been able to defeat Trump?

I guess I have my doubts that they would have. TOO progressive, IMO. I just can't see anyone that would have voted for a Sanders or Warren ticket that would have switched their vote to Trump over Biden. I can where see lots of people that voted for Biden would have switched their vote to Trump over Sanders or Warren.



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PostPosted: 11/07/20 8:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ex-Ref wrote:
jammerbirdi wrote:
She’s a California ass-sucker. The absolute personification of an empty vessel politician. She was the weakest candidate in the entire primary field. She was totally exposed in the debates and town halls and her bizarre but perfectly in character laugh down Nora O’Donnell interview.

Please don’t ask anyone to give a shit about her gender or skin color. This thing we have now about celebrating someone’s minority status and allowing that to override their complete inadequacies is nauseating.

Kamala Harris is nothing to celebrate. Neither is this fucking demented loser who has NEVER had anything to offer the American people. They were the two weakest candidates in the entire Democratic Primary field. And now look where they are. Elizabeth Warren? A brilliant women with actual passion and a binder full of progressive policy ideas that could have actually made a difference in changing the direction this country is going and the lives of the American people? She’s gone. Forever. The talents she might have brought to the White House as president? Wasted. Cast on the junk heap of history in favor of these two.

Ditto Bernie Sanders. Passion? A FUCKING LIFETIME OF IT!! Actual ideas.

Oh no. Don’t try to ram this gender ethnicity shit down my throat. Trump is gone and I don’t have to hold back my scorn under the threat of being accused of helping to get him re-elected. And now I want to do my part to DESTROY the Democratic Party that orchestrated this abomination of an administration. This shit is on and I won’t be holding back here or anywhere else.

Harris is the darling of the actual Rockefeller Republican California l ULTRA rich liberal. She’s their pretty prize pooch. She sucks their asses. And she’s an idiot. She has all the intellectual depth of a fucking wading pool. Fuck her and fuck this thread.


Serious question...would either of them have been able to defeat Trump?

I guess I have my doubts that they would have. TOO progressive, IMO. I just can't see anyone that would have voted for a Sanders or Warren ticket that would have switched their vote to Trump over Biden. I can where see lots of people that voted for Biden would have switched their vote to Trump over Sanders or Warren.


You my friend are very astute in your opinion!!

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PostPosted: 11/07/20 9:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Trump won Florida because the Cubans thought Biden was too much of a Socialist...

Just throwin' that out there.



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jammerbirdi wrote:
She’s a California ass-sucker. The absolute personification of an empty vessel politician. She was the weakest candidate in the entire primary field. She was totally exposed in the debates and town halls and her bizarre but perfectly in character laugh down Nora O’Donnell interview.

Please don’t ask anyone to give a shit about her gender or skin color. This thing we have now about celebrating someone’s minority status and allowing that to override their complete inadequacies is nauseating.

Kamala Harris is nothing to celebrate. Neither is this fucking demented loser who has NEVER had anything to offer the American people. They were the two weakest candidates in the entire Democratic Primary field. And now look where they are. Elizabeth Warren? A brilliant women with actual passion and a binder full of progressive policy ideas that could have actually made a difference in changing the direction this country is going and the lives of the American people? She’s gone. Forever. The talents she might have brought to the White House as president? Wasted. Cast on the junk heap of history in favor of these two.

Ditto Bernie Sanders. Passion? A FUCKING LIFETIME OF IT!! Actual ideas.

Oh no. Don’t try to ram this gender ethnicity shit down my throat. Trump is gone and I don’t have to hold back my scorn under the threat of being accused of helping to get him re-elected. And now I want to do my part to DESTROY the Democratic Party that orchestrated this abomination of an administration. This shit is on and I won’t be holding back here or anywhere else.

Harris is the darling of the actual Rockefeller Republican California l ULTRA rich liberal. She’s their pretty prize pooch. She sucks their asses. And she’s an idiot. She has all the intellectual depth of a fucking wading pool. Fuck her and fuck this thread.


Serious question...would either of them have been able to defeat Trump?

I guess I have my doubts that they would have. TOO progressive, IMO. I just can't see anyone that would have voted for a Sanders or Warren ticket that would have switched their vote to Trump over Biden. I can where see lots of people that voted for Biden would have switched their vote to Trump over Sanders or Warren.


No clearly it was this electric combination of Basement Joe Biden and Haha Harris needed to take down our Orange Hitler. I mean, there’s so much wrong with this it’s going to take all night. And I hope you don’t take this personally, because you are simply voicing something being said in many places tonight.

What happened to our politics? What’s the purpose of us having a party of it is simply a facade, a revolving door of establishment party elites who don’t represent the people. That is, you would have to know, how we ended up with Donald Trump as president in the first place. Hillary Clinton barely gets past Bernie Sanders, with significant party help, and all that populist excitement on our side goes down the drain. She picks fancy elitist Tim Kaine instead of fiery populist and immensely popular Bernie and Trump now has all the spontaneity and fire in that moment and he wins.

So do I think had the Democratic primary not been dicked around with by party elites whose main concern was losing control of the party (and all their wonderful jobs) to a more progressive wing... had that not happened... that a Bernie/Warren ticket would have beaten Donald Trump in 2020? Hell yes I believe they would have won. They would have articulated a policy destination that was created to benefit the American people and they would have sold that to voters and won this election.

We got none of that from these two, of course. They are silly shells. I wouldn’t even call them shills. They don’t have the simple talents required to make any kind of policy case to the American people. Our politics are now nothing more than tragic political theater.



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PostPosted: 11/07/20 10:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Kamala Harris is a brilliant accomplished women. She has accomplishment that 40 year career politician Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren could only dream of. Actual impacts on peoples lives.

That onslaught was a load of BS, lacking of any evidence, and damn near offensive to our first ever woman VP, Jammer.

Pilight? Sure..that's why a majority of Biden's biggest fundraising days came because of Harris. Rolling Eyes

Thank you Joe, for making that pick. And helping to lift up women to a status we haven't been to yet. History will look at Joe Biden - the man who served the first ever Black President, and the person who selected the first Woman and POC as VP (And also the man who helped clean up GW's mess, and the man who will come after Donald..) ..very kindly.



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PostPosted: 11/07/20 10:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
Trump won Florida because the Cubans thought Biden was too much of a Socialist...

Just throwin' that out there.


I think anyone who can't come to terms with the fact that Joe Biden is likely the only one of the candidates that would have won this election needs to re-evaluate their political awareness.



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PostPosted: 11/07/20 11:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Trump won Florida because the Cubans thought Biden was too much of a Socialist...

Just throwin' that out there.


I think anyone who can't come to terms with the fact that Joe Biden is likely the only one of the candidates that would have won this election needs to re-evaluate their political awareness.


The Rethugs sold Biden/Harris as Communist in Florida!! They bought it.

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PostPosted: 11/08/20 1:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

greg5222 wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Trump won Florida because the Cubans thought Biden was too much of a Socialist...

Just throwin' that out there.


I think anyone who can't come to terms with the fact that Joe Biden is likely the only one of the candidates that would have won this election needs to re-evaluate their political awareness.


The Rethugs sold Biden/Harris as Communist in Florida!! They bought it.

PEACE & LOVE GO MYSTICS!!!!!

Yeah, they pushed it HARD. With tons of Spanish language ads.

Someone who outright calls himself a socialist has lost Florida, and most of the suburbs that actually swung this election, before it even begins.

What someone like Sanders would be counting on is not needing those purple suburban voters because he's able to energize the youth and progressive wings of the party and get turnout to skyrocket. But Biden did that this time as well, and because Trump also energized his base on got record turnout himself, it actually came down to those swing voters. The places Biden carried that Clinton did not, and that Sanders would have had no chance at. Warren I think would have had the same issue Clinton did, but even worse. I could have seen her win the popular vote by 6-7 million and still lose the EC because of where she would have struggled.



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Kamala Harris is a brilliant accomplished women. She has accomplishment that 40 year career politician Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren could only dream of. Actual impacts on peoples lives.

That onslaught was a load of BS, lacking of any evidence, and damn near offensive to our first ever woman VP, Jammer.

Pilight? Sure..that's why a majority of Biden's biggest fundraising days came because of Harris. Rolling Eyes

Thank you Joe, for making that pick. And helping to lift up women to a status we haven't been to yet. History will look at Joe Biden - the man who served the first ever Black President, and the person who selected the first Woman and POC as VP (And also the man who helped clean up GW's mess, and the man who will come after Donald..) ..very kindly.


That's because history is written by the elites. Soldiers who died in the mud because of the wars that Biden signed off on? Silent. The small towns and cities lined by locally owned small businesses that are either boarded up or no longer there at all because of Biden's support of disastrous trade policies, essentially anything American big business wanted he signed off on? You're right. History will NOT remember any of that as much as his simply making this single diversity hire. Because nobody who writes history gives a SHIT about the destruction of middle America as much as they do these kinds of gender firsts... positive optimistic things that we can eat cake over and celebrate a hundred years from now.



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mercfan3 wrote:
justintyme wrote:
Trump won Florida because the Cubans thought Biden was too much of a Socialist...

Just throwin' that out there.


I think anyone who can't come to terms with the fact that Joe Biden is likely the only one of the candidates that would have won this election needs to re-evaluate their political awareness.


This board is all over the place. I thought it wasn't even close? lol.

And what demographic are you suggesting was won over by Joe Biden that was responsible for him defeating Donald Trump? Blacks? Did you know that Trump increased his proportion of the black vote? DOUBLED his vote by black women? Also increased his support dramatically by Latino voters.

The only group Trump did worse with was white men. Do you think that was because of Biden? Look. Honest opinion, as always. Trump lost this election. He has no one to blame but himself. No genius move by the puppet masters controlling the Democratic Party resulted in a magic combination that he couldn't overcome. He did this to himself. He was deranged this year. He came out of the impeachment with a vengeance. He squandered the rising poll numbers he was seeing from his daily coronavirus briefings by taking the bait of a hostile White House press corps and he made himself look very bad in the process. All the while he continued to tweet and say the craziest shit. That this country elected (narrowly) Joe Biden who is visibly in a state of mental decline shows you just how fatigued so many Americans had become with Trump. He was so focused on himself and getting reelected that he couldn't emote even slightly what most of America was going through at this time.

And STILL it was so close. So don't act like you know, lol, that you can see that the unique kryptonite was Joe and Kamala. Elizabeth Warren and a warm six pack that she doesn't actually drink would have articulated a better case (a case, period) against Trump and countered and abused Trump in this campaign in ways that would have resonated with enough voters to unseat Trump. IN MY OPINION. Shocked

No pats on the back are warranted. After ALL that Trump has said and done, nearly 150 millions votes were cast and one candidate got 71M and the other 75M. This is a deeply divided country.



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Someone in the New York Times comments section to some article on California this week wrote this. Its perfect. You've heard it all from me for years but this is someone else, someone else's voice. I hope you all can hear it as you have never really given much credence to what I've said about California and the Democratic Party.

California is the rich liberal utopia and rich bourgeois liberals are drawn from the same social strata that supported Republicans for most of the 20th century.

Anyone who is politically conscious and who has spent time in their circles (but who isn't really one of them) will immediately recognize that they are really Rockefeller Republicans: elitist, propertied, and unbearably condescending and snobbish.

Their occupations are bourgeois: they are well paid academics, lawyers, doctors, and corporate employees. They hate the working-classes.

Indeed, look at the way they (Clinton) sent all the good working class jobs to Mexico and China. Their outlook is globalist. They welcome free-trade and cheap labor.

They hide their ruthless pursuit of wealth behind a facade of identity politics and aid for the 'poor,' which actually goes to salaries of their companions in the state bureaucracy and not actually to the poor.

Their party may look better than the nationalist right, but the reality is that they are right-wing themselves.

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And Kamala Harris is their Most Precious Darling. And you all love her, too.



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Good breakdown of the election by Harry Enten, hired away from 538 by CNN to be their "data guy".

Joe Biden won a race another Democrat may have lost:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/08/politics/democrats-biden-election/index.html



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I have seen her listed as half Indian or South Asian. It seems like "Asian" could be used to refer to all the races and ethnicities native to Asia but that is a pretty big group and that wipes out the current usage where it applies (at least it initially was and has for a while) to what was formerly called the Mongoloid (as opposed to Caucasoid and Negroid) race and informally referred to as Orientals (which was ultimately considered a negative term).

I was surprised to see the Wikipedia entry on Race has removed the former three races and now says:

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Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society.


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It is a shame that both parties have abandoned blue collar workers. "job creation" is a phrase that national politicians and their promoters love to use, and yet jobs moving from the USA to other countries (or starting in other countries like the iPhone) - job destruction - was essentially a non event. Obama referred to midwest while males as not having adapted well to the new economy. I don't know if he wanted laid off factory workers to do web pages at Facebook with all the Indians that Facebook currently hired under the H-1B program, or become Harvard law professors, or maybe become the manager at a Chipotle.

jammerbirdi wrote:

And Kamala Harris is their Most Precious Darling. And you all love her, too.


The Democrats in general didn't seem to take to her. She had double digits in the early polling and was center stage in the 20 person debate stage, but dropped out with 1 or 2%.




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