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FrozenLVFan
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 Posted: 10/20/20 11:53 am ::: Re: Indiana University to Wear Social Justice Patch on Unis |
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I'm not quite sure a fist is the best image to convey love, peace, and togetherness.
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| Posted: 10/20/20 12:21 pm ::: Re: Indiana University to Wear Social Justice Patch on Unis |
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| FrozenLVFan wrote: |
I'm not quite sure a fist is the best image to convey love, peace, and togetherness. |
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_fist
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| Posted: 10/20/20 1:45 pm ::: |
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| Uhh, that wiki also says the fist is an instrument of combat.
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PickledGinger
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| Posted: 10/20/20 1:55 pm ::: |
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| FrozenLVFan wrote: |
| Uhh, that wiki also says the fist is an instrument of combat. |
Nice job reading the first sentance. Did you read anything beyond that? The rasied fist has been in international symbol of solidarity for a century.
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elsie
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| Posted: 10/20/20 3:17 pm ::: |
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somehow a fist shooting up into the air hardly speaks of "love" or "peace" let alone tolerance....
but these empty gestures are virtue signaling at its best....it'll certainly change the whole world ....NOT!
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FrozenLVFan
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| Posted: 10/20/20 5:32 pm ::: |
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| FrozenLVFan wrote: |
| Uhh, that wiki also says the fist is an instrument of combat. |
Nice job reading the first sentance. Did you read anything beyond that? The rasied fist has been in international symbol of solidarity for a century. |
Yes, I can read, thank you.
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tfan
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| Posted: 10/20/20 9:43 pm ::: |
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| If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low.
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SDHoops
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| Posted: 10/21/20 12:05 am ::: |
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| tfan wrote: |
| If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low. |
WOW!!! Blaming it all on immigrants, huh?
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tfan
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| Posted: 10/21/20 12:31 am ::: |
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| tfan wrote: |
| If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low. |
WOW!!! Blaming it all on immigrants, huh? |
You are who they wear the patches for.
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| Posted: 10/21/20 12:50 am ::: |
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| tfan wrote: |
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| tfan wrote: |
| If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low. |
WOW!!! Blaming it all on immigrants, huh? |
You are who they wear the patches for. |
Trudi, you sucked as a coach and you suck as a poster. Get over it
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tfan
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| Posted: 10/21/20 1:14 am ::: |
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Trudi, you sucked as a coach and you suck as a poster. Get over it |
Makes a lot of sense. A definitive post.
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| Posted: 10/21/20 6:13 pm ::: |
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| tfan wrote: |
| If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low. |
While Apple is an American-headquartered company, I'm not sure if most Americans would want to buy an Apple iPhone if it were completely made in the USA. Otherwise, expect the iPhone to cost double (maybe triple) what it is now.
https://fee.org/articles/a-made-in-america-iphone-would-cost-2-000-studies-show/
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| Posted: 10/21/20 7:13 pm ::: |
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| tfan wrote: |
| If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low. |
While Apple is an American-headquartered company, I'm not sure if most Americans would want to buy an Apple iPhone if it were completely made in the USA. Otherwise, expect the iPhone to cost double (maybe triple) what it is now.
https://fee.org/articles/a-made-in-america-iphone-would-cost-2-000-studies-show/ |
Yes, prices would be higher. As would worker wages due to supply/demand being more in their favor (male manufacturing wages peaked on an inflation adjusted basis in the early 1970s). It is a trade-off I would be willing to make, although that is probably a minority opinion. And I think there are many other benefits from lower income people having good wages and money being spent in the USA and not China. I also don't think the massive trade deficit of the status quo is sustainable. And I was alive when we made most of our stuff and it wasn't tough times.
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The problem with tariffs -- which is what the all-American products would be -- is that they raise income for some (the workers) but raise prices for everyone else.
The bottom line works sort of like this: 1,000 workers get $50,000 each ($50 million) but 100 million people pay $5 more ($500 million). The net impact on the economy is hugely negative, which is why free trade has boosted the global economy -- and global living standards -- so dramatically.
And remember, by putting American jobs first, you're taking them away from people somewhere else who are worse off. Is justice truly served by favoring Americans over Bangladeshis?
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| Posted: 10/22/20 4:33 pm ::: |
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| Shouldn't this discussion be taken to another area?
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| Posted: 10/23/20 8:21 pm ::: |
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| The problem with tariffs -- which is what the all-American products would be -- is that they raise income for some (the workers) but raise prices for everyone else. |
There would be more jobs in the country, making the supply/demand situation better for workers and worse for employers, which would raise all blue collar wages - unless the employers got the government to bring in more foreign workers to get supply/demand in their favor. That is always a possibility. But you were alive when things were made in America - do you remember it as being a worse time for Americans economically (technology has advanced since then)?
Which one do you most want to have a good steady job:
1) guys like George Floyd
2) people in China
3) Latin Americans who illegally migrate to the USA
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| The bottom line works sort of like this: 1,000 workers get $50,000 each ($50 million) but 100 million people pay $5 more ($500 million). The net impact on the economy is hugely negative, which is why free trade has boosted the global economy -- and global living standards -- so dramatically. |
I don't follow your numbers, but if 380 billion dollars stays in the USA instead of going to China each year, that is going to help more than the people newly working in the factories. They don't bury that money under their mattresses - it's get spent in the USA, and benefits other workers. They also pay taxes on that new income so governments get more. It appears to me that exporting jobs pulls money out of a country's economy. It does increase company profits, which is why the clerisy supports it.
Is it your recollection that blue collar workers were better off when you were a young man and we made things? Back in the early 1970's male manufacturing wages - adjusted for inflation - peaked. Peaked.
Are you concerned about American wages or just global wages? Doesn't do someone like George Floyd any good if we send USA manufacturing jobs to China and Chinese wages go up.
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| And remember, by putting American jobs first, you're taking them away from people somewhere else who are worse off. Is justice truly served by favoring Americans over Bangladeshis? |
Are you advocating American politicians do what's best for Bangladeshis? We don't have Bangladeshi Lives Matter being shouted in our streets. Are you advocating that we continue to have unemployment and underemployment in "inner cities" and elsewhere and instead increase jobs in other countries?
52% of Americans make under $35,000.
https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi
I think USA politicians should work for USA citizens and people who want to help those in Bangladesh and elsewhere more than USA workers can send them their money. That is a lot better than someone who is not a blue collar worker advocating blue collar workers lose their jobs in favor of foreign workers. It is only virtuous if the sacrifice comes from those advocating it.
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