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PostPosted: 10/19/20 7:52 pm    ::: Indiana University to Wear Social Justice Patch on Unis Reply Reply with quote

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The logo was created by the Mark Cuban Center for Sports Media and Technology staff in consultation with the Athletic Director’s Council for Diversity and Inclusivity.



https://www.wthr.com/article/sports/iu-athletics-unveils-social-justice-logo-for-player-uniforms/531-743b6d83-ff76-4625-91c3-6ff577c846e3



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PostPosted: 10/20/20 11:53 am    ::: Re: Indiana University to Wear Social Justice Patch on Unis Reply Reply with quote

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The logo was created by the Mark Cuban Center for Sports Media and Technology staff in consultation with the Athletic Director’s Council for Diversity and Inclusivity.



https://www.wthr.com/article/sports/iu-athletics-unveils-social-justice-logo-for-player-uniforms/531-743b6d83-ff76-4625-91c3-6ff577c846e3


I'm not quite sure a fist is the best image to convey love, peace, and togetherness.


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PostPosted: 10/20/20 12:21 pm    ::: Re: Indiana University to Wear Social Justice Patch on Unis Reply Reply with quote

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Ex-Ref wrote:
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The logo was created by the Mark Cuban Center for Sports Media and Technology staff in consultation with the Athletic Director’s Council for Diversity and Inclusivity.



https://www.wthr.com/article/sports/iu-athletics-unveils-social-justice-logo-for-player-uniforms/531-743b6d83-ff76-4625-91c3-6ff577c846e3


I'm not quite sure a fist is the best image to convey love, peace, and togetherness.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_fist



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PostPosted: 10/20/20 1:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Uhh, that wiki also says the fist is an instrument of combat.


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PostPosted: 10/20/20 1:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

FrozenLVFan wrote:
Uhh, that wiki also says the fist is an instrument of combat.


Nice job reading the first sentance. Did you read anything beyond that? The rasied fist has been in international symbol of solidarity for a century.


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PostPosted: 10/20/20 3:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

somehow a fist shooting up into the air hardly speaks of "love" or "peace" let alone tolerance....

but these empty gestures are virtue signaling at its best....it'll certainly change the whole world ....NOT!


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PostPosted: 10/20/20 4:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Gotta love small minded Republicans! ^ Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: 10/20/20 5:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PickledGinger wrote:
FrozenLVFan wrote:
Uhh, that wiki also says the fist is an instrument of combat.


Nice job reading the first sentance. Did you read anything beyond that? The rasied fist has been in international symbol of solidarity for a century.


Yes, I can read, thank you.


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PostPosted: 10/20/20 9:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low.


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PostPosted: 10/21/20 12:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low.

WOW!!! Blaming it all on immigrants, huh?


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PostPosted: 10/21/20 12:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SDHoops wrote:
tfan wrote:
If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low.


WOW!!! Blaming it all on immigrants, huh?


You are who they wear the patches for.


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PostPosted: 10/21/20 12:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
tfan wrote:
If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low.


WOW!!! Blaming it all on immigrants, huh?


You are who they wear the patches for.

Trudi, you sucked as a coach and you suck as a poster. Get over it


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PostPosted: 10/21/20 1:14 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Trudi, you sucked as a coach and you suck as a poster. Get over it


Makes a lot of sense. A definitive post.


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PostPosted: 10/21/20 6:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low.


While Apple is an American-headquartered company, I'm not sure if most Americans would want to buy an Apple iPhone if it were completely made in the USA. Otherwise, expect the iPhone to cost double (maybe triple) what it is now.

https://fee.org/articles/a-made-in-america-iphone-would-cost-2-000-studies-show/



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PostPosted: 10/21/20 7:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

StevenHW wrote:
tfan wrote:
If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low.


While Apple is an American-headquartered company, I'm not sure if most Americans would want to buy an Apple iPhone if it were completely made in the USA. Otherwise, expect the iPhone to cost double (maybe triple) what it is now.

https://fee.org/articles/a-made-in-america-iphone-would-cost-2-000-studies-show/


Yes, prices would be higher. As would worker wages due to supply/demand being more in their favor (male manufacturing wages peaked on an inflation adjusted basis in the early 1970s). It is a trade-off I would be willing to make, although that is probably a minority opinion. And I think there are many other benefits from lower income people having good wages and money being spent in the USA and not China. I also don't think the massive trade deficit of the status quo is sustainable. And I was alive when we made most of our stuff and it wasn't tough times.


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PostPosted: 10/22/20 9:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The problem with tariffs -- which is what the all-American products would be -- is that they raise income for some (the workers) but raise prices for everyone else.

The bottom line works sort of like this: 1,000 workers get $50,000 each ($50 million) but 100 million people pay $5 more ($500 million). The net impact on the economy is hugely negative, which is why free trade has boosted the global economy -- and global living standards -- so dramatically.

And remember, by putting American jobs first, you're taking them away from people somewhere else who are worse off. Is justice truly served by favoring Americans over Bangladeshis?



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PostPosted: 10/22/20 4:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shouldn't this discussion be taken to another area?



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PostPosted: 10/23/20 3:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Michigan made a similar announcement regarding the social justice patches and stickers their athletes are using this year.

https://mgoblue.com/news/2020/10/22/general-u-m-student-athlete-initiative-results-in-social-justice-design-on-uniforms.aspx?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=athrelease&utm_content=socialjusticepatches


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PostPosted: 10/23/20 8:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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The problem with tariffs -- which is what the all-American products would be -- is that they raise income for some (the workers) but raise prices for everyone else.


There would be more jobs in the country, making the supply/demand situation better for workers and worse for employers, which would raise all blue collar wages - unless the employers got the government to bring in more foreign workers to get supply/demand in their favor. That is always a possibility. But you were alive when things were made in America - do you remember it as being a worse time for Americans economically (technology has advanced since then)?

Which one do you most want to have a good steady job:

1) guys like George Floyd
2) people in China
3) Latin Americans who illegally migrate to the USA

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The bottom line works sort of like this: 1,000 workers get $50,000 each ($50 million) but 100 million people pay $5 more ($500 million). The net impact on the economy is hugely negative, which is why free trade has boosted the global economy -- and global living standards -- so dramatically.


I don't follow your numbers, but if 380 billion dollars stays in the USA instead of going to China each year, that is going to help more than the people newly working in the factories. They don't bury that money under their mattresses - it's get spent in the USA, and benefits other workers. They also pay taxes on that new income so governments get more. It appears to me that exporting jobs pulls money out of a country's economy. It does increase company profits, which is why the clerisy supports it.

Is it your recollection that blue collar workers were better off when you were a young man and we made things? Back in the early 1970's male manufacturing wages - adjusted for inflation - peaked. Peaked.

Are you concerned about American wages or just global wages? Doesn't do someone like George Floyd any good if we send USA manufacturing jobs to China and Chinese wages go up.

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And remember, by putting American jobs first, you're taking them away from people somewhere else who are worse off. Is justice truly served by favoring Americans over Bangladeshis?


Are you advocating American politicians do what's best for Bangladeshis? We don't have Bangladeshi Lives Matter being shouted in our streets. Are you advocating that we continue to have unemployment and underemployment in "inner cities" and elsewhere and instead increase jobs in other countries?

52% of Americans make under $35,000.
https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi

I think USA politicians should work for USA citizens and people who want to help those in Bangladesh and elsewhere more than USA workers can send them their money. That is a lot better than someone who is not a blue collar worker advocating blue collar workers lose their jobs in favor of foreign workers. It is only virtuous if the sacrifice comes from those advocating it.




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PostPosted: 10/23/20 10:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SDHoops wrote:
tfan wrote:
SDHoops wrote:
tfan wrote:
If this country wants to end areas of poverty and reduce unemployment and underemployment, it needs to do things like punish companies for hiring illegal workers instead of Americans, force companies to manufacture in the USA if they want to sell in the USA, and stop immigration during a global pandemic when unemployment has rocketed up, and make companies manufacture in areas of high poverty and require them to hire people already living there. But we aren't going to do any of that. A patch won't make up for that and it ends up allowing people to ignore the actual problem - not enough jobs and wages being too low.


WOW!!! Blaming it all on immigrants, huh?


You are who they wear the patches for.

Trudi, you sucked as a coach and you suck as a poster. Get over it


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