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just curious what y'all think about McBride?
To me, it seems like it might be just as well to let her walk, or make her a midling offer. She's decent but not irreplaceable and her three shooting, which is mostly what they have her for, went steeply downhill last season. I just think wing/SG is one of the most easily replaced so why overpay for someone who has been mediocre? Laney or Powers? Maybe Whitcomb? For that matter, make a play for Chelsea Gray or one of the RFA guards. Less likely, they could also actually find a decent shooting guard at #8 or wherever they are in the draft.
OTOH I see McBride was 7-9 from three in a recent game for Fenerbahce.  so maybe she just forgot how to shoot in Florida. |
It was mentioned that she was a player who got out of shape during the early months of the pandemic due to lack of available resources to stay in-shape. If she's having a good/normal season for Fener, that's probably enough to show that she'll be ready come the start of this season.
Still, as a SG, she'd theoretically be the easiest player to replace. Whitcomb might be able to be comparable to McBride – at a cheaper price, no less. I wonder if Laimbeer still remembers Whitcomb hitting 3 after 3 towards the end of that one Liberty-Storm game several seasons back. I know I do! 
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| Posted: 01/14/21 2:39 pm ::: |
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The Vegas football team owner bought the team? Why didn’t MGM want to hold on to them? I wonder how this changes anything.
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| Posted: 01/14/21 4:21 pm ::: |
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| Just my WAG, but I'm guessing MGM is bleeding cash from covid and it was either find a new owner or fold the tent. Thankfully they did this quiet and not through the media and good on Davis for stepping up and further cementing himself in the Las Vegas landscape. Now let's hope he treats the Aces well and spends the money to build the team and not just treat them like a tax write-off like most owners seem to do.
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| Posted: 01/14/21 4:33 pm ::: |
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well, everything I see says he doesn't have daughters, so maybe the two in this picture are nieces or neighbors or ?
I've seen other pictures of him with the woman, so assuming she is the wife.
https://www.ktnv.com/sports/mark-davis-agrees-to-purchase-las-vegas-aces-wnba-team
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| Posted: 01/14/21 4:44 pm ::: |
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| I wonder if they will still play games at the MGM arena. Are there other suitable arena's in LV?
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| Posted: 01/14/21 5:43 pm ::: |
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| Granted, we don't know much, but an NFL owner, who DOESN'T have ties to the NBA, buying a W team is a good sign for the league. This is such an intriguing sale because there doesn't seem to be a reason for him, which makes me wonder if W teams actually turn more of a profit than we are led to believe. Or maybe he has some altruistic reason we don't know. This guy pretty ruthlessly left Oakland to follow the money of Las Vegas, so I can't see he'd buy them without a compelling reason.
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| Posted: 01/14/21 6:07 pm ::: |
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| How much did he pay for the team?
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| Posted: 01/14/21 8:27 pm ::: |
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I have a hard time believing MGM would give away the team for nothing. Unless they're about to make more money on the lease agreement for the arena. This is a very unique deal for the league. A well established sports owner not affiliated with the NBA buying a team from a large corporation. This sale feels very different and not like the rescue missions we've seen in the past.
That or the league is really adept at getting people to sign on to sinking ships, which I don't think Al Davis would do. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit.
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| Posted: 01/14/21 10:22 pm ::: |
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I put this in transaction thread but should have put it here
LA just cored N. Ogwumike so C. Gray is a true UFA
LV should redirect the money it might offer to D-Rob and McBride and try for C. Gray
C. Gray/Allen
Plum/pick #12 (Dungee, Carrington, Westbrook if still on the board)
McCoughtry/J. Young
Wilson/Hamby
Cambage/Park?
slot 11 any cheap big (does the money work?)
if they can afford a little more maybe Zahui B, Achonwa, Hawkins, Plaisance, Langhorne after she is cut
thin bench but great staters and 6 with 7 with Hamby and J. Young off the bench
possible contender?
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| Posted: 01/14/21 10:43 pm ::: |
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| Pretty sure they were already a contender without Cambage or Plum. Not convinced they need any other major changes.
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| Posted: 01/14/21 11:54 pm ::: |
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LV should redirect the money it might offer to D-Rob and McBride and try for C. Gray
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Why them? Minnesota would be an immaculate fit. She can stop being a Lynx killer and start being a trophy case filler.
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| Posted: 01/15/21 12:27 am ::: |
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| Davis is an Aces season-ticket holder and has often sat courtside at home games at Mandalay Bay Events Center, which is owned by MGM, since the team arrived in Las Vegas in 2018. On a conference call with players Thursday, Davis gave out his cellphone number and said he wanted to hear their ideas for how to best design a training facility, according to Jim Murren, the former chief executive of MGM Resorts International. |
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| A spokesman for the team declined to say how much MGM had paid for the franchise. Murren said that W.N.B.A team transactions often include a mix of cash and a note, the value of which is based on various performance metrics. |
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/sports/basketball/las-vegas-aces-mark-davis.html
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Since it costs about $500,000 to transfer the team (I find that number hard to believe, but it seems to be true), I think that alone is a big hurdle for a new owner. And of course, if Mark Davis paid actual cash for the team, that would be a WNBA first. Since MGM didn't pay anything for the team either, it's hard to imagine they would expect anything for it, especially if the deal keeps the team playing at MGM.
As for Davis, he's not a particularly good owner in NFL terms and he is not independently wealthy. He owns the Raiders and that's it -- which is a good business but it's not like he's truly rich.
It does make sense, though, for him to take over the team as it's the same industry -- well, in the sense that a 12-location burger chain is in the same business as McDonald's.
I had hoped MGM would keep the team, and maybe casinos and other such touristy operations would be potential WNBA owners. Davis will do, though, if he takes it seriously.
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| Posted: 01/15/21 6:21 pm ::: |
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| I think the idea of casinos/resorts being a more consistent potential ownership group type took a pummeling from COVID. It's been almost a year of people not traveling, not spending (not having money to spend), not gathering, not going indoors, and not going to events. No matter how big your reserves are, that's going to hurt.
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| Posted: 01/15/21 11:14 pm ::: |
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| johnjohnW wrote: |
| Granted, we don't know much, but an NFL owner, who DOESN'T have ties to the NBA, buying a W team is a good sign for the league. This is such an intriguing sale because there doesn't seem to be a reason for him, which makes me wonder if W teams actually turn more of a profit than we are led to believe. Or maybe he has some altruistic reason we don't know. This guy pretty ruthlessly left Oakland to follow the money of Las Vegas, so I can't see he'd buy them without a compelling reason. |
Seems possible that the deal reveals the reverse - MGM (which owns the arena in Mandalay Bay) selling it is a sign the team doesn't make a profit.
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| Posted: 01/15/21 11:21 pm ::: |
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| I wonder if they will still play games at the MGM arena. Are there other suitable arena's in LV? |
Orleans casino is off the strip and has been hosting the WCC and WAC men's and women's conference basketball tournaments for the last few years at their 9,500 seat arena. University Nevada Las Vegas has an arena (19,522 seat and hosts Mountain West basketball tournament) and there is the T-Mobile Arena (20,000 seat and hosts PAC-12 men's basketball tournament) where the NHL Las Vegas Golden Knights team plays.
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| Posted: 01/16/21 6:06 pm ::: |
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Holloway - Kattar turned out to be a great fight
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| Posted: 01/20/21 12:01 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
Since it costs about $500,000 to transfer the team (I find that number hard to believe, but it seems to be true), I think that alone is a big hurdle for a new owner. And of course, if Mark Davis paid actual cash for the team, that would be a WNBA first. Since MGM didn't pay anything for the team either, it's hard to imagine they would expect anything for it, especially if the deal keeps the team playing at MGM.
As for Davis, he's not a particularly good owner in NFL terms and he is not independently wealthy. He owns the Raiders and that's it -- which is a good business but it's not like he's truly rich.
It does make sense, though, for him to take over the team as it's the same industry -- well, in the sense that a 12-location burger chain is in the same business as McDonald's.
I had hoped MGM would keep the team, and maybe casinos and other such touristy operations would be potential WNBA owners. Davis will do, though, if he takes it seriously. |
On April 25, 2018, I posted the following:
From a financial perspective, having the Connecticut Sun and Las Vegas Aces are major coups by the W. Both franchises are owned by casino enterprises that also own the arenas in which they play. They also have on-site lodging, food, parking, etc. already built in. The infrastructure costs are lower as a result.
It also opens up the W to summer travelers to Vegas and CT (obviously, moreso to Vegas, given the location) who may not otherwise have attended a WNBA game but who could perhaps receive free or discounted tickets as a result of staying at the hotel/resort.
If there are other casino enterprises (with arenas) that want WNBA franchises that are (hopefully) in travel/tourist destinations, this should be a consideration.
On the one hand, I am happy that an owner of one of the Big Four (NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL) professional sports in the US purchased the team. It sends a message about the long-term viability of the WNBA and the potential for investment in WNBA franchises for other Big Four team owners.
And it is even more intriguing that it is not an NBA owner who did so, but an NFL team owner (with the NFL team and WNBA team located in the same city).
That being said, given that MGM no longer owns the team but Davis does, how does this impact the profitability (or potential for profitability)? The infrastructure costs are lower when the owner of the team also owns the building/venue in which the team plays.
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| Posted: 01/29/21 5:31 am ::: |
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I put this in transaction thread but should have put it here
LA just cored N. Ogwumike so C. Gray is a true UFA
LV should redirect the money it might offer to D-Rob and McBride and try for C. Gray
C. Gray/Allen
Plum/pick #12 (Dungee, Carrington, Westbrook if still on the board)
McCoughtry/J. Young
Wilson/Hamby
Cambage/Park?
slot 11 any cheap big (does the money work?)
if they can afford a little more maybe Zahui B, Achonwa, Hawkins, Plaisance, Langhorne after she is cut
thin bench but great staters and 6 with 7 with Hamby and J. Young off the bench
possible contender? |
Hey I got this right
The Ch. Gray part anyway
definitely interested to see what LV does next.
Even though I have participated in the is Wilson better without Cambage conversation if Cambage shows this team will be scary, probably the best starters in the league going into the season
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That being said, given that MGM no longer owns the team but Davis does, how does this impact the profitability (or potential for profitability)? The infrastructure costs are lower when the owner of the team also owns the building/venue in which the team plays. |
Seems like the most positive possibility for profitability is that - if you own a basketball arena in Las Vegas, it is still MORE profitable to host concerts and other events than it is to host WNBA games. And at the other end, even owning the arena did not allow MGM to make a profit. As far as "having better uses for the arena", MGM owns 2.4 arenas (Mandalay Bay, MGM Grand and 42% of T-Mobile Arena (NHL team) ). So they have a lot of dates to fill. And, The Venetian is going to open a 17,500 seat arena (jointly owned by Madison Square Garden Entertainment) in two years (delayed from 2021 due to COVID-19) providing more competition for event hosting.
Mark Davis attended Aces games ("consistent presence") and this article says his father was a WBB fan as well. It also claims that the move to Las Vegas has been profitable for Davis. So it is possible that Davis is buying a team that he knows will lose money but that he enjoys watching and owning and can afford the loss. Or not.
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| Posted: 01/29/21 10:12 am ::: |
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That being said, given that MGM no longer owns the team but Davis does, how does this impact the profitability (or potential for profitability)? The infrastructure costs are lower when the owner of the team also owns the building/venue in which the team plays. |
Seems like the most positive possibility for profitability is that - if you own a basketball arena in Las Vegas, it is still MORE profitable to host concerts and other events than it is to host WNBA games. And at the other end, even owning the arena did not allow MGM to make a profit. As far as "having better uses for the arena", MGM owns 2.4 arenas (Mandalay Bay, MGM Grand and 42% of T-Mobile Arena (NHL team) ). So they have a lot of dates to fill. And, The Venetian is going to open a 17,500 seat arena (jointly owned by Madison Square Garden Entertainment) in two years (delayed from 2021 due to COVID-19) providing more competition for event hosting.
Mark Davis attended Aces games ("consistent presence") and this article says his father was a WBB fan as well. It also claims that the move to Las Vegas has been profitable for Davis. So it is possible that Davis is buying a team that he knows will lose money but that he enjoys watching and owning and can afford the loss. Or not. |
NFL fans will understand this reference: Mark Davis also gave Jon Gruden a 10-year, $100 million contract, so his his business acumen is definitely open to question.
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It's interesting that there were no rumors that they were shopping the team. I wonder if he approached them. In the picture of him courtside, it appears he has a couple of young daughters. That could certainly be an influence. One could guess that MGM isn't as flush in the moment as they were a couple years ago.