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PostPosted: 02/11/21 4:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Spooner, how can make an argument that this looks good when you can’t even bring yourself to name the #1 pick?



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PostPosted: 02/11/21 4:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Mack or Collier would be a good addition to this team. They wouldn't have the pressure of starting right away but could develop more slowly. I know that's not typically what you want from a #1...but that's the way it is this year.



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PostPosted: 02/11/21 4:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stormeo wrote:
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well, you got your defender at SF anyway. Since Stewie, Bird, and Loyd can all shoot the three, this may be a perfect place for T.Young.

It's great!! But also terribly depressing!! Cuz with these signings, why the hell did we need to trade that #1 Pick away for Samuelson. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad


They obviously don't feel like there's a #1 player this year that would be an impact player or starter. There's no Jewell or Stewie this year. They're not the first team to trade the pick and might not be the last.


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PostPosted: 02/12/21 10:06 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Watched Arella Guirantes -- looked really good. But will she, to name just one, bring more to the WNBA this season than KLS?

To me, that's the equation the Storm were looking at. Now if you think KLS is really a bad player and will be No. 8 in the rotation, or worse, then the trade is a bad one. But if you think KLS' experience and size will deliver more this year than a young player like Guirantes, then the deal makes sense.



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 11:50 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PG: [Bird]/Canada
SG: Loyd/Prince/Laksa
SF: Young/Samuelson/Talbot/Tuck
PF: Stewart/Dupree/Herbert Harrigan
C: Russell/Magbegor

Guirantes/Dungee/Evans could easily have been that fifth guard and get Laksa (or even Prince) cut. Magbegor may or may not be available before the Olympics, so we would’ve had an opening at the 5 to utilize Collier/Mack, and with Russell being a free agent after 2021, there’d be less urgency to have to re-sign her assuming she’d command a significantly higher salary. Instead, here we are, suddenly overloaded with SFs who will in all likelihood never be half of what Clark was on both sides of the ball for this team.

People really think rookies ain’t shit, but I seem to recall that many had good opening weekends last season, of which some of whom turned into a good first season altogether (Te’a Cooper comes to mind, amongst others, and she was a 2nd-rounder). Again, this Draft is weaker at the top, but still has plenty of mid-tier players in it. Also, 4 years of team control. We’re only getting 2 for Samuelson...



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 11:57 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Guirantes can't hit 40% from the floor against college girls. I see no reason to think she'll do anything as a pro.



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 12:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Guirantes can't hit 40% from the floor against college girls. I see no reason to think she'll do anything as a pro.

Shooting ain’t everything, and as such, she has showed she can do virtually all the other things (rebound, defend, distribute). She also likely won’t be the high-volume shot taker she is at Rutgers.



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 12:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It would seem that the Storm think Dupree can help them, so she would move to power forward and Stewart would move to the 5 in their post rotation.

I don't think much of Dupree or that plan, but clearly the Storm feel that KLS in the wing rotation will be more valuable than Collier in the post rotation.

One thing for sure: KLS is going to get every chance to live up to her pre-WNBA hype.



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 12:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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It would seem that the Storm think Dupree can help them, so she would move to power forward and Stewart would move to the 5 in their post rotation.

I don't think much of Dupree or that plan, but clearly the Storm feel that KLS in the wing rotation will be more valuable than Collier in the post rotation.

One thing for sure: KLS is going to get every chance to live up to her pre-WNBA hype.

Still, KLS had a legitimate chance to earn a starting spot last season with Dallas, and got usurped by Marina Mabrey (who put up surprisingly good numbers last season, better than Samuelson in about the same amount of MPG). Especially now with our abundance of SFs, it would've honestly made more sense trading the #1 for Mabrey & a 2022 2RP instead...



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 1:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stormeo wrote:
ClayK wrote:
It would seem that the Storm think Dupree can help them, so she would move to power forward and Stewart would move to the 5 in their post rotation.

I don't think much of Dupree or that plan, but clearly the Storm feel that KLS in the wing rotation will be more valuable than Collier in the post rotation.

One thing for sure: KLS is going to get every chance to live up to her pre-WNBA hype.

Still, KLS had a legitimate chance to earn a starting spot last season with Dallas, and got usurped by Marina Mabrey (who put up surprisingly good numbers last season, better than Samuelson in about the same amount of MPG). Especially now with our abundance of SFs, it would've honestly made more sense trading the #1 for Mabrey & a 2022 2RP instead...


Better accept that she is now on our team and she has a good chance of proving herself. She has played very well for Avenida so hopefully that will give her the push to be more solid in the W.

Noone can replace Clark. Its just that simple. Best defender in the league last season while also being the best 3pointshooter. That is a mix you are not going to find very often..



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 3:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Guirantes can't hit 40% from the floor against college girls. I see no reason to think she'll do anything as a pro.

Shooting ain’t everything, and as such, she has showed she can do virtually all the other things (rebound, defend, distribute). She also likely won’t be the high-volume shot taker she is at Rutgers.


Why would you take her over Didi Richards, who is bigger, more athletic, and a better distributor and defender?



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 4:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Stormeo wrote:
pilight wrote:
Guirantes can't hit 40% from the floor against college girls. I see no reason to think she'll do anything as a pro.

Shooting ain’t everything, and as such, she has showed she can do virtually all the other things (rebound, defend, distribute). She also likely won’t be the high-volume shot taker she is at Rutgers.


Why would you take her over Didi Richards, who is bigger, more athletic, and a better distributor and defender?


Didi Richards averages 7.8 ppg and hasn't even attempted a three.



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 5:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
pilight wrote:
Stormeo wrote:
pilight wrote:
Guirantes can't hit 40% from the floor against college girls. I see no reason to think she'll do anything as a pro.

Shooting ain’t everything, and as such, she has showed she can do virtually all the other things (rebound, defend, distribute). She also likely won’t be the high-volume shot taker she is at Rutgers.


Why would you take her over Didi Richards, who is bigger, more athletic, and a better distributor and defender?


Didi Richards averages 7.8 ppg and hasn't even attempted a three.


Guirantes isn't going to be able to score in the W. She's not a good shooter and has trouble finishing at the rim. If you're going to commit to someone who can't shoot, why not take somebody who can do many other things well?

In more traditional draft terms: Richards has an elite skill, Guirantes doesn't.



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 6:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
ClayK wrote:
pilight wrote:
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pilight wrote:
Guirantes can't hit 40% from the floor against college girls. I see no reason to think she'll do anything as a pro.

Shooting ain’t everything, and as such, she has showed she can do virtually all the other things (rebound, defend, distribute). She also likely won’t be the high-volume shot taker she is at Rutgers.


Why would you take her over Didi Richards, who is bigger, more athletic, and a better distributor and defender?


Didi Richards averages 7.8 ppg and hasn't even attempted a three.


Guirantes isn't going to be able to score in the W. She's not a good shooter and has trouble finishing at the rim. If you're going to commit to someone who can't shoot, why not take somebody who can do many other things well?

In more traditional draft terms: Richards has an elite skill, Guirantes doesn't.


Your last point is an excellent one. But off of her stats and one game, Guirantes looks like a superior passer with good court vision. She also showed she could go both right and left, which is not true of a lot of players, and she finished through contact.

Of course, this is a ridiculously small sample size, and maybe you've seen her more -- love to hear more from those who've seen her a lot -- but from what I saw she looks as good as Dungee and a little more athletic.

Richards can defend and pass, which are two really valuable skills, but if you don't have to respect her shot, it's a lot harder to pass, especially at the WNBA level, where they have years to dial in on your weaknesses.

I just see Guirantes as more of an all-around player and more of a sure thing. If Richards figures out a way to be Ben Simmons, she's a star; but not many non-shooters have.



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 6:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
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pilight wrote:
Stormeo wrote:
pilight wrote:
Guirantes can't hit 40% from the floor against college girls. I see no reason to think she'll do anything as a pro.

Shooting ain’t everything, and as such, she has showed she can do virtually all the other things (rebound, defend, distribute). She also likely won’t be the high-volume shot taker she is at Rutgers.


Why would you take her over Didi Richards, who is bigger, more athletic, and a better distributor and defender?


Didi Richards averages 7.8 ppg and hasn't even attempted a three.


Guirantes isn't going to be able to score in the W. She's not a good shooter and has trouble finishing at the rim. If you're going to commit to someone who can't shoot, why not take somebody who can do many other things well?

In more traditional draft terms: Richards has an elite skill, Guirantes doesn't.


I am thoroughly surprised you like Richards, considering Kelly Faris..



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PostPosted: 02/12/21 6:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is less scientific but I have a distinct memory of seeing Richards her sophomore season playing defensive stopper with Brown and Cox upfront and I remember think there is a WNBA level player. She had the "It" factor that really excites me, but usually the "It" factor is something you see in offensive talents like Carter or Ogunbowale, so it did really strike me that that is how I reacted to Richards but based solely on her defense and energy. In the last two years she has developed her PG skills so now instead of being like a stopper wing who can't shoot, she is now a large defensive minded PG who can't shoot. Bigger. stronger D-Rob? at Any rate I think she will have a place in the W, and I think she is a good fit on Seattle which has scoring at many positions.

I haven't seen Guirantes enough. I am by no means saying Richards is better, all I am saying is I see Richards having a role in the W.

I would probably consider Guirantes at 4 for Indy. If Dallas takes Two posts at 1 and 2 Guirantes at 5 makes sense, I might also consider Westbrook.

If I am Seattle Guirantes or Richards at 11 would be a good pick up.


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I am thoroughly surprised you like Richards, considering Kelly Faris..


I probably would have liked Faris better if she'd played somewhere else. Laughing

Faris would have been a lock for the lottery in this draft.



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I probably would have liked Faris better if she'd played somewhere else. Laughing.


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pilight wrote:
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I am thoroughly surprised you like Richards, considering Kelly Faris..


I probably would have liked Faris better if she'd played somewhere else. Laughing


You LOL, but you're not the only one who thinks that way.



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Di Di can't defend every type of guard. She has probems staying in front of smaller quick guards. Her legs are too long. She is good at playing taller players. Those are the type of players she got her reputation guarding. Since she has been playing the point it has also affected her all around defense. She has been a favorite of mine in college but I do not think she is worth a first round pick due to her limitations on the offfensicve end. Except as a short period ffill in, I don't believe she can play the point in the WNBA, which makes her basically a defensive specialist. Teams would have to really want one for them to use a number one pick on her.

But you never know. WNBA teams have not always made the smartest choices when it comes to the draft. They are more likely to go with college hype than they are actual scounting.



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I've also heard Richards has this go-all-out-every-game style that gets herself hurt. She of course had her back injury that luckily wasn't career-(or life-)threatening last autumn. And didn't she just sustain a concussion (or close to it) after another hard fall?

But yeah, Guirantes being able to take (and make) outside shots as well as rebound/defend/distribute makes her a better all-around prospect imo. And at 5'11, she might be versatile enough to play any perimeter position. Certainly can't imagine Richards playing the 2...

It's uncanny that I had previously called Richards the prospect in this Draft that most resembles Tamera Young, and... *gestures at the latest Storm news* I mean, I guess we really don't need Richards now!



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Better accept that she is now on our team and she has a good chance of proving herself. She has played very well for Avenida so hopefully that will give her the push to be more solid in the W.

No one can replace Clark. Its just that simple. Best defender in the league last season while also being the best 3pointshooter. That is a mix you are not going to find very often..


I have to accept it whether I like it or not. Laughing I mean, if this situation really angered me that much, I basically do root for other teams already, so I could cut the Storm off at least until Peanuts either proves me wrong or gets gone. Razz I'd probably have to change my username in the meantime; although, 'Liberteo' doesn't have quite the same ring to it. Wink


Even in the wake of the Young & Talbot signings, of whom I hope they both stick since their training camp contracts make them super cheap, I actually hope Peanuts starts (y'all enabled me like this so now I'm legit sticking with this nickname!). If it stays bad through half a season, someone should be there as a stopgap starter. But since we really value her (along with a 2RP next year) as much as a #1 Pick, we may as well play her as such. She'd still only be the 5th starter, and as such, she should be able to just stand at the 3PT line ready to shoot on offense and hopefully utilize her length on defense. Her injury history is of course a concern, but at least she's been healthy the past year & a half, and I don't think we'll use her at the 4 where her bony body would get the most beat-up.

I also believe some players honestly are better off as starters than bench players. Like I said, KML imo played better in the few games she started surrounded by much more talent than playing with the bench unit where defenses could hone in on her more. Really wish we had thrown her into the deep end by starting her & seeing if she'd sink or swim, but we had Loyd & Clark so really despite her many flaws, I'd say we were never the right fit for her anyway. Wrong player perhaps, but also wrong time. No shortage of opportunity here for ole Peanuts, though!

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PG: [Bird]/Canada
SG: Loyd/Prince/Laksa
SF: Samuelson aka KLS aka Peanuts/Young/Talbot/Tuck
PF: Stewart/Dupree/Herbert Harrigan
C: Russell/Magbegor

Cut: Tuck; and one/two of Laksa, Talbot, or the #11 depending on if it's a deferral pick or not



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I am stymied that Tuck is still on the team...or even in the league...



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'Liberteo' doesn't have quite the same ring to it. Wink


Maybe you can try "Libertine" and go for the bad boy appeal.



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'Liberteo' doesn't have quite the same ring to it. Wink


Maybe you can try "Libertine" and go for the bad boy appeal.


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