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| Longest and highest quality UFA list I can remember ever seeing. Also, interesting about the “Suspended - Contract Expired” players. I would have thought the service time rules still apply and players allowed to become RFAs or UFAs where applicable.
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Besides keeping someone that was better than expected with 3 years or less of service, what’s the incentive of Reserving someone like Prince or Agnew?
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| Posted: 09/22/20 11:37 am ::: Re: 2021 Free Agency |
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Thanks for posting!!! 🙌🏽
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| Posted: 09/22/20 1:17 pm ::: |
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| mavcarter wrote: |
Besides keeping someone that was better than expected with 3 years or less of service, what’s the incentive of Reserving someone like Prince or Agnew?
Maybe those players are showing some things in practice. |
As mentioned in the stuff at the top (I know lots of people will just skip to the list  ), teams do have to make qualifying offers to make players restricted or reserved in early January. So some of those reserved players may become UFAs if teams don't even want to bother. Otherwise, the point is that you get to hang on to a player who you presumably thought was worth having the previous season. |
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| Posted: 09/22/20 2:06 pm ::: |
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Besides keeping someone that was better than expected with 3 years or less of service, what’s the incentive of Reserving someone like Prince or Agnew?
Maybe those players are showing some things in practice. |
A rookie, like Agnew, might get better. And she'll be cheaper than the vet minimum.
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| Posted: 09/22/20 2:10 pm ::: |
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Thank you so much for all the hard work!!! Much appreciated.
Out of curiosity, I'm not seeing Johannes or Xu on this list. Do their contracts differ from the rest of the players who opted-out?
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| Posted: 09/22/20 2:13 pm ::: |
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Great info. Thanks Richyyy! lots of ammo for j-spoon's trade and signing scenarios.
Not that it's relevant but what happens with the contract of a player like EDD who chose to stay out but they called it injury. Since they paid her anyway so I assume that eats up a year of her contract, but what if they had said she opted out without the medical exemption and they didn't pay her...how would that leave her contract. (Not sure if there are others that are actually in that situation)
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| Posted: 09/22/20 2:25 pm ::: |
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Thank you so much for all the hard work!!! Much appreciated.
Out of curiosity, I'm not seeing Johannes or Xu on this list. Do their contracts differ from the rest of the players who opted-out? |
Both are still under contract - Johannes signed a multi-year deal before this season, Han is still on her rookie-scale deal - so therefore aren't any kind of free agent. Anyone on any of these lists is out of contract.
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Great info. Thanks Richyyy! lots of ammo for j-spoon's trade and signing scenarios.
Not that it's relevant but what happens with the contract of a player like EDD who chose to stay out but they called it injury. Since they paid her anyway so I assume that eats up a year of her contract, but what if they had said she opted out without the medical exemption and they didn't pay her...how would that leave her contract. (Not sure if there are others that are actually in that situation) |
All contracts continue to run whether the player shows up or not, gets suspended or not, whatever. So Delle Donne's contract is now one year shorter than before this season, but also would've been if they'd suspended her after not getting the exemption, or if she'd gotten the exemption. The difference is whether the player gets paid, and/or whether the player gets credited with a Year of Service in the WNBA.
The players who opted out without receiving the exemption did NOT receive a Year of Service (even though many of them received two paychecks before they officially opted out). Players who got the exemption (Cambage, Charles etc.) both got paid and got the Year of Service, as did players like Wheeler and EDD who were on the roster all year but never actually played. |
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| Posted: 09/24/20 6:24 am ::: |
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| A lot veterans are going to want the fat salaries that were tossed around like cheap candy in 2020. With the salary cap that will not happen. Some players might have to accept less money than what they think they are worth in order to stay in the league.
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| Posted: 09/28/20 10:08 pm ::: |
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| so methinks there will be some weird moves where teams with a lot of cheap contracts (like Dallas or NY) could outbid others for even some of the RFAs, which their existing teams then couldn't match. Thinking about players like B.Jones, Sykes, Whitcomb.... Bottom line, it probably increases movement. Not sure if that was the intention or not, but it will be interesting to see what happens.
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| Posted: 09/29/20 6:17 am ::: |
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Good work Richyyy. Very interesting.
One issue is that not every team will want to spend to the top of the cap, and some teams aren't that appealing to players. For ex, would a super max player want to jump to the Dream, Wings or Fever?
So it could be a fun FA year.
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| Posted: 09/30/20 3:44 pm ::: |
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Anyone have a running list or even just a good idea of which active players are no longer eligible to be cored? Or is it just Tina Charles and Candice Dupree? Also, which teams can't use their core designation this year due to a previously cored player still being under contract after their own core designation? Thanks in advance.  |
All answered, y'know, in the article. |
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| Posted: 09/30/20 4:21 pm ::: |
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| Anyone have a running list or even just a good idea of which active players are no longer eligible to be cored? Or is it just Tina Charles and Candice Dupree? Also, which teams can't use their core designation this year due to a previously cored player still being under contract after their own core designation? Thanks in advance. |
All answered, y'know, in the article. |
Wasn’t sure if it was only Charles & Dupree - seemed like we’ve talked about others who are no longer eligible. Totally missed the Phoenix/Griner part somehow. Sorry. Thanks. |
No problem. The other one who's come up in recent times is Bonner, who is no longer core-able but it's not really relevant because she also isn't a free agent. There are a few others in that situation (Griner, Fowles, Langhorne) who can't be cored when their current deals end.
Having said all that, I also missed one  . Candace Parker has played three years under the core designation according to the CBA, so is in the same boat as Charles and Dupree and can't be cored. Thanks for making me check! |
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| Posted: 09/30/20 4:30 pm ::: |
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| Anyone have a running list or even just a good idea of which active players are no longer eligible to be cored? Or is it just Tina Charles and Candice Dupree? Also, which teams can't use their core designation this year due to a previously cored player still being under contract after their own core designation? Thanks in advance. |
All answered, y'know, in the article. |
Wasn’t sure if it was only Charles & Dupree - seemed like we’ve talked about others who are no longer eligible. Totally missed the Phoenix/Griner part somehow. Sorry. Thanks. |
No problem. The other one who's come up in recent times is Bonner, who is no longer core-able but it's not really relevant because she also isn't a free agent. There are a few others in that situation (Griner, Fowles, Langhorne) who can't be cored when their current deals end.
Having said all that, I also missed one . Candace Parker has played three years under the core designation according to the CBA, so is in the same boat as Charles and Dupree and can't be cored. Thanks for making me check! |
Lol well I'm glad my persistent inquisition and partial lack of reading comprehension could help! 
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Still, I hope Alysha Clark gets a big payday, especially if she wins DPOY (which has yet to be announced... coincidentally, the Storm have yet to take the floor in the playoffs. Hmm 👀). IMO she's been severely underpaid the past 4-5 seasons, and this past season was literally her best one, statistically speaking.