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 Posted: 09/15/20 8:11 pm ::: Chicago Sky 2021 |
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2020 Roster
Vandersloot/Colson
Quigley/Prince
Copper/DeShields/Williams
Stevens/Parker/Hebard/Mavunga
Dolson
Free agents: Parker - UFA, Colson - UFA,
Replacement player: Prince
Suspended: Gillespie
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| Posted: 09/15/20 8:17 pm ::: |
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| Other than dumping Dolson, I'm waiting to see what Rockhard wants for his team.
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| Posted: 09/15/20 8:24 pm ::: |
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| The coaching staff will have to develop a defensive system that will help this team win games. They will also need to add some tough minded players that want to play defense.
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| Posted: 09/15/20 8:25 pm ::: |
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Sky need their players to be healthy. And a little good luck along the way - certainly more than they got this season. Several people were unhealthy/injured at or before the start of the season, and none of them ever recovered. Despite all that, it was really Stevens' midseason season-ender that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
In terms of revamping the roster, if the Sky have to do anything, imo they need to (continue to) add athleticism to their post players. That'll help with the defense (so will healthy pre-existing Sky members). Stevens is a good start, but I'm now giving her the 'injury-prone' label; even before this year, she missed most of last year with a foot injury. I wouldn't be relying on her in a full season, and this one wasn't even a full one. I agree that they should move on from an expensive Dolson - and she'll still have takers in a League where teams are always looking for post players. Parker is good but just not athletic like that. Hebard was a great pick for where they picked in the Draft. I don't think the Sky ultimately do anything, but I think they should try and get creative somehow, like they did at the trade deadline (even if that move didn't pay off as things stand now). The window of contention is closing, and even if everyone were healthy, I just don't think they'd have the post players to compete with Seattle's, LA's, or Vegas' in a 5-game series. Not to mention, Vanderquigs are getting up there in age, and at some point - maybe not this offseason, but next - they'll need to cobble together some sort of contingency plan for one/both of them.
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| Posted: 09/15/20 9:02 pm ::: |
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| Maybe trade Parker while she still has value? It’s only down from here everyone in the league knows what she can do! Cheyenne to Dallas for #5?
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| Posted: 09/15/20 9:02 pm ::: |
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well, when they said he wanted to run the offense thru Parker, that made my opinion of Wade plummet. Parker has improved a lot this year and been a good player for the Sky, but she has never been a passer - in this game she got the ball and went one on three repeatedly, totally ignoring open teammates several times. I think you want to "run the offense" thru a player who is willing to pass as well as shoot. (maybe he was thinking he had Candace...but no it is Cheyenne). At any rate for a team with three very good guards, their post players without Azure should never be the focal point of their offense. I realize he had to get creative without those two players, but still....
And yeah, defense is an issue.
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| Posted: 09/15/20 9:11 pm ::: |
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| Maybe trade Parker while she still has value? It’s only down from here everyone in the league knows what she can do! Cheyenne to Dallas for #5? |
Parker is a UFA. I don't know if their core designation is available, but even if it is I doubt Chicago would use it on her.
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| Posted: 09/15/20 9:22 pm ::: |
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| Maybe trade Parker while she still has value? |
She’s a UFA, no need. Make a pitch to her counsel.  |
They do still have their core designation, having decided they didn't need to use it to keep Vandersloot/Quigley last year (correctly). Wouldn't be totally shocked if they used it on Parker. |
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| Posted: 09/15/20 11:34 pm ::: |
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| The problem is that I'm not even sure that they can core Parker, having looked at some numbers and thought about it more. In order to give out the core qualifying offer that comes with the designation, you have to have room for it. And even carrying 11 rather than 12, I don't think they do. I think they're probably stuck hoping they can just convince her to stay (barring trades that change their calculations). |
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| The problem is that I'm not even sure that they can core Parker, having looked at some numbers and thought about it more. In order to give out the core qualifying offer that comes with the designation, you have to have room for it. And even carrying 11 rather than 12, I don't think they do. I think they're probably stuck hoping they can just convince her to stay (barring trades that change their calculations). |
The numbers will work when they dump Dolson.
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| Posted: 09/17/20 11:58 pm ::: |
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| The problem is that I'm not even sure that they can core Parker, having looked at some numbers and thought about it more. In order to give out the core qualifying offer that comes with the designation, you have to have room for it. And even carrying 11 rather than 12, I don't think they do. I think they're probably stuck hoping they can just convince her to stay (barring trades that change their calculations). |
The numbers will work when they dump Dolson. |
I think Dolson/Stokes is a passable two headed center for NY certainly better than what we have now, but I am not sure we are going for that kind of better in NY in 21, if we are I think NY would be willing to swap one of our many rookie wings )or Shook who comes expendable if we have Dolson and Stokes for the 5 who are borderline for making the team in 21_ which seems fair as Chicago is doing a salary dumps
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pick 1
Willoughby, Walker or Shook (Shook might make the most sense in terms of position but the other two have higher ceilings) for Dolson (I like Odom and want to keep her the most)
We could probably throw in pick 16 because we have so Manuy players at the moment but don't really want to or maybe just pick 16
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| Posted: 09/18/20 2:17 pm ::: |
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| The problem is that I'm not even sure that they can core Parker, having looked at some numbers and thought about it more. In order to give out the core qualifying offer that comes with the designation, you have to have room for it. And even carrying 11 rather than 12, I don't think they do. I think they're probably stuck hoping they can just convince her to stay (barring trades that change their calculations). |
The numbers will work when they dump Dolson. |
You saying it a bazillion times doesn't mean it's actually going to happen. Not everyone thinks she's a waste of space like you do. Presumably including the Sky front office who gave her quite a bit of money to hang around for a couple of years. |
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| Posted: 09/18/20 4:26 pm ::: |
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| The problem is that I'm not even sure that they can core Parker, having looked at some numbers and thought about it more. In order to give out the core qualifying offer that comes with the designation, you have to have room for it. And even carrying 11 rather than 12, I don't think they do. I think they're probably stuck hoping they can just convince her to stay (barring trades that change their calculations). |
The numbers will work when they dump Dolson. |
You saying it a bazillion times doesn't mean it's actually going to happen. Not everyone thinks she's a waste of space like you do. Presumably including the Sky front office who gave her quite a bit of money to hang around for a couple of years. |
I do know that the Sky are not serious about winning a championship with her on the roster.
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| Posted: 09/19/20 8:04 am ::: |
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| Maybe trade Parker while she still has value? It’s only down from here everyone in the league knows what she can do! Cheyenne to Dallas for #5? |
C. Parker to Dallas for: Meagan & M. Jefferson/Thornton
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| Posted: 09/19/20 8:25 am ::: |
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| Seeing that Dallas seemed to get the worst end of a couple of trades with Chicago this season, maybe even Bibb will become gun shy going down that pipeline again.
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| Posted: 09/19/20 10:36 pm ::: |
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| I don't know how we're ending up with such a discrepancy, but I have them with only $200,144 of space after adding up the 10 you suggest. Which means less than the supermax available even staying at 11, never mind a 12th at the minimum. |
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| Posted: 09/19/20 11:26 pm ::: |
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I got:
Vandersloot - $200K
Quigley - $194K
Dolson - $175K
Copper - $165K
DeShields- $67K
Williams - $67K
Hebard - $66K
Stevens - $58K
Gillespie - $58K
Mavunga - $53K
Max cap is $1,339,000?
Would that be $230K in space or something like that?_________________
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| Posted: 09/19/20 11:50 pm ::: |
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Spotrac has similar numbers. According to them, the Sky have 10 players signed for 2021 with $228,854 left in cap space. The ten players include Conde, but replacing her with Mavunga basically makes no difference ($58k each). If that's correct, Chicago has enough cap space to offer Parker the max -- assuming they want to do it.
I thought Chicago would have cap issues in 2022 that necessitated planning ahead of time. However, Spotrac shows them as a blank slate for 2022. Only Hebard and Gillespie (in theory) are signed, and those are unguaranteed rookie contracts. This could be either good or bad. The Sky won’t be stuck with any bad contracts, but on the other hand all their horses are out of the barn.
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| Posted: 09/20/20 8:13 am ::: |
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| Hayes (or E. Will) for Dolson solve everything. Just ask Rock Hard.
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| Posted: 09/20/20 8:51 am ::: |
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I got:
Vandersloot - $200K
Quigley - $194K
Dolson - $175K
Copper - $165K
DeShields- $67K
Williams - $67K
Hebard - $66K
Stevens - $58K
Gillespie - $58K
Mavunga - $53K
Max cap is $1,339,000?
Would that be $230K in space or something like that? |
Ah okay. The problem is the section of the newest CBA on p36-37 that says:
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| "d)In the event that the Base Salary in any Player Contract entered into prior to January 17, 2020 and covering the 2020 Season and, if applicable, any Season thereafter (an “Existing Contract”) is below the Minimum Annual Salary, the Base Salary in such Player Contract shall be automatically adjusted so that the Base Salary in 2020 and, if applicable, any Season thereafter shall equal the Minimum Annual Salary. Nothing herein shall in any way prevent a Team from terminating an Existing Contract at any time." |
And as DeShields, Williams, Stevens and Mavunga are all 2018 players who have three years of WNBA experience, they all should be adjusted up to next year's 3+ minimum of $70,040.
One of Spotrac's problems for the WNBA is that they took Megdal's numbers and a bunch of them were never fixed. |
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