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PostPosted: 07/22/20 11:25 pm    ::: 2020 TV Ratings Reply Reply with quote

I guess it is time for a new thread.

As a reminder, CBS Sports Network does not paid to be rated. Their numbers will not be available.

The preview show on ESPN2 averaged 49,000 viewers. That was still comfortably on the cable top 150 for the day as nobody is watching TV these days.

7/25 Storm-Liberty ESPN 419,000
7/25 Sparks-Mercury ABC 539,000
7/26 Sun-Lynx ESPN 202,000
7/26 Sky-Aces ABC 433,000
7/28 Mystics-Sun NBATV ?
7/28 Sparks-Sky NBATV ?
7/29 Mercury-Fever NBATV ?
7/30 Storm-Mystics ESPN 168,000
7/30 Sun-Sparks ESPN ?
7/31 Liberty-Dream NBATV ?
8/1 Lynx-Sun NBATV ?
8/1 Mystics-Sky NBATV ?
8/2 Mercury-Liberty ESPN 248,000
8/2 Dream-Fever NBATV ?
8/2 Wings-Aces ESPN2 ?
8/4 Mercury-Dream ESPN2 ?
8/4 Sun-Storm ESPN2 ?
8/5 Aces-Mystics NBATV ?
8/6 Storm-Dream ESPN2 ?
8/6 Sky-Mercury (ESPN2 only) 83,000
8/7 Liberty-Mystics ESPN2 ?
8/7 Sparks-Aces ESPN2 123,000
8/8 Dream-Wings ESPN2 ?
8/8 Mercury-Storm ABC 400,000
8/9 Lynx-Sparks ESPN 310,000
8/9 Mystics-Fever ESPN2 130,000
8/10 Mercury-Wings ESPN2 ?
8/10 Sky-Storm ESPN2 ?
8/11 Aces-Fever ESPN2 ?
8/11 Mystics-Lynx ESPN2 ?
8/13 Sparks-Mystics ESPN2 ?
8/13 Lynx-Aces ESPN ?
8/14 Storm-Wings NBATV ?
8/15 Mystics-Aces ESPN 181,000
8/15 Sparks-Fever ESPN ?
8/16 Wings-Mercury ABC 599,000
8/16 Storm-Sun ABC 480,000
8/18 Aces-Sky ESPN2 ?
8/22 Storm-Aces ABC 384,000
8/25 Fever-Storm ESPN2 ?
8/29 Storm-Sky ABC 413,000
8/29 Wings-Fever CBS 403,000
9/8 Lynx-Mystics ESPN2 ?
9/8 Fever-Aces ESPN2 ?
9/10 Aces-Lynx ESPN2 ?
9/12 Mystics-Liberty NBATV ?
9/12 Aces-Sparks NBATV ?
9/13 Aces-Storm ABC 333,000
9/15 Sun-Sky ESPN2 ?
9/15 Mystics-Mercury ESPN2 ?
9/17 Mercury-Lynx ESPN2 ?
9/17 Sun-Sparks ESPN2 ?
9/20 Sun-Aces ESPN 210,000
9/22 Sun-Aces ESPN2 180,000
9/22 Lynx-Storm ESPN2 161,000
9/24 Storm-Lynx ESPN2 154,000
9/24 Aces-Sun ESPN2 ?
9/27 Aces-Sun ESPN 251,000
9/27 Storm-Lynx ABC 271,000
9/29 Sun-Aces ESPN2 209,000
10/2 Storm-Aces ESPN2 344,000
10/4 Storm-Aces ABC 405,000
10/6 Aces-Storm ESPN 570,000


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PostPosted: 07/23/20 4:05 am    ::: Re: 2020 TV Ratings Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
I guess it is time for a new thread.

As a reminder, CBS Sports Network does not paid to be rated. Their numbers will not be available.

The preview show on ESPN2 averaged 49,000 viewers. That was still comfortably on the cable top 150 for the day as nobody is watching TV these days.


Why is no one watching TV, lack of new programming? Seems like the summer vacation situation has to be way down.


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PostPosted: 07/24/20 11:32 pm    ::: Re: 2020 TV Ratings Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
I guess it is time for a new thread.

As a reminder, CBS Sports Network does not paid to be rated. Their numbers will not be available.

The preview show on ESPN2 averaged 49,000 viewers. That was still comfortably on the cable top 150 for the day as nobody is watching TV these days.


Why is no one watching TV, lack of new programming? Seems like the summer vacation situation has to be way down.


Not having baseball until now as well as the special summer sports events has not helped as that has decreased the amount of casual viewing on ESPN. There is still some scripted and reality stuff in the can, although none of the popular stuff. After the initial spike of people trying TV, it pretty quickly sunk down to the approximate levels that would have been expected without the virus.

For those wondering about predictions for this season, it seems like the start of each sport has seen a spike and then a drop down to approximately normal levels so I would expect healthy numbers this weekend and then more usual levels after that.
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PostPosted: 07/25/20 10:49 am    ::: Re: 2020 TV Ratings Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
awhom111 wrote:
I guess it is time for a new thread.

As a reminder, CBS Sports Network does not paid to be rated. Their numbers will not be available.

The preview show on ESPN2 averaged 49,000 viewers. That was still comfortably on the cable top 150 for the day as nobody is watching TV these days.


Why is no one watching TV, lack of new programming? Seems like the summer vacation situation has to be way down.


Cord cutting, I would think. The number of cable subscribers continues to fall.


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PostPosted: 07/26/20 6:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://twitter.com/ESPNPR/status/1287529611451138048

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Saturday's WNBA opening day matchup between the LA Sparks & Phoenix Mercury on ABCNetwork was the most-watched opener since 2012.
Basketball Viewership was also up 20 percent from the 2019 opener on ABC.



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PostPosted: 07/26/20 8:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
https://twitter.com/ESPNPR/status/1287529611451138048

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Saturday's WNBA opening day matchup between the LA Sparks & Phoenix Mercury on ABCNetwork was the most-watched opener since 2012.
Basketball Viewership was also up 20 percent from the 2019 opener on ABC.


I can't remember what was so significant about the 2012 opener?


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PostPosted: 07/26/20 9:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Iluvacc wrote:
toad455 wrote:
https://twitter.com/ESPNPR/status/1287529611451138048

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Saturday's WNBA opening day matchup between the LA Sparks & Phoenix Mercury on ABCNetwork was the most-watched opener since 2012.
Basketball Viewership was also up 20 percent from the 2019 opener on ABC.


I can't remember what was so significant about the 2012 opener?


LA and Seattle, featured the number 1 and 2 draft picks. Looking back at the 2012 draft...so many “what were they thinking” moments.
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PostPosted: 07/27/20 6:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2020/07/wnba-ratings-opener-hits-high-mlb-fox-nba-scrimmage-epl/

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WNBA posts largest opening weekend audience in eight years
Saturday’s Sparks-Mercury WNBA opening day game averaged 540,000 viewers on ABC, marking the league’s largest opening weekend audience since 2012 (Mercury-Lynx: 804K). Viewership increased 19% over last year’s first game on the network, Mercury-Storm (452K).

Earlier in the day, Storm-Liberty averaged 419,000 on ESPN — likely the largest WNBA regular season audience on cable since Mercury-Lynx on ESPN in 2016 (505K). The game marked the WNBA debut of Liberty G Sabrina Ionescu. [ESPN PR 7.26]



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PostPosted: 07/27/20 12:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maybe it's just the lack of available programming, but ESPN must be liking something about what they're getting from the WNBA. 13 more games added across ABC/ESPN/ESPN2: https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/1287796971953180677?s=20



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PostPosted: 07/27/20 1:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Maybe it's just the lack of available programming, but ESPN must be liking something about what they're getting from the WNBA. 13 more games added across ABC/ESPN/ESPN2: https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/1287796971953180677?s=20


Or this might be their apology for posting something incorrect about the players from the
Liberty and storm walking off the court during the national anthem. And only posting a correction 11 hours later..



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PostPosted: 07/29/20 12:03 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I edited the ratings into the OP. As always, numbers are from showbuzzdaily.com

Storm-Liberty did well enough to give us more detailed demographics ratings as expressed by a percentage of that group in the sample that was watching the game on average.

18-49: .13
F18-49: .11
M18-49: .16
18-34 .12
F12-34: .09
M12-34: .10
25-54: .15
50+: .20

That is actually pretty healthy female viewership (or poor male viewership) and solid viewership among the young (or poor viewership among older people).

One has to think that the Sunday ESPN game was hurt by the NWSL game, which averaged 653,000 viewers. Over on NBC, Premier League Lacrosse around the same time as the ABC games averaged 334,000 on Saturday and 341,000 on Sunday.
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PostPosted: 07/29/20 3:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Tally24 wrote:
Iluvacc wrote:
toad455 wrote:
https://twitter.com/ESPNPR/status/1287529611451138048

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Saturday's WNBA opening day matchup between the LA Sparks & Phoenix Mercury on ABCNetwork was the most-watched opener since 2012.
Basketball Viewership was also up 20 percent from the 2019 opener on ABC.


I can't remember what was so significant about the 2012 opener?


LA and Seattle, featured the number 1 and 2 draft picks. Looking back at the 2012 draft...so many “what were they thinking” moments.


Yeah, what the hell was Liberty G.M. John Whisenant thinking when he selected Kelley Cain at #7?



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PostPosted: 07/31/20 11:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

7/30 Storm-Mystics ESPN 168,000

I guess that scheduling the Sparks in the late game last night was not ideal.

On the list, I am adding first runs of games that we do not have ratings for in case someone releases them at some point.
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PostPosted: 08/01/20 5:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm curious to see their ratings with the NBA back now. Hopefully it's not a steep decline.



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PostPosted: 08/04/20 11:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Still a lot of question marks:
8/2 Mercury-Liberty ESPN 248,000
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PostPosted: 08/07/20 11:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I guess that having part of the game off of the main channel is a valid strategy for technically boosting your ratings.

The ESPN2 portion of Sky-Mercury averaged 83,000 viewers. It averaged .03 percent of the sample in 18-49, 25-54, and 50+ and .02 percent of the sample in 18-34 and 12-34. Of course, that is not an adequate number of decimal places to really get any insight, but there was no difference in 18-49 or 12-34 between male and female ratings.
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PostPosted: 08/10/20 11:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

One of Friday's games made it:
8/7 Sparks-Aces ESPN2 123,000
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PostPosted: 08/11/20 8:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Is it possible that the over saturation of games available on national TV is causing the per game ratings to go down? Kind of sucks that more people are probably watching games because there are a ton available to watch but it's dragging down the individual ratings that matter most.


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PostPosted: 08/11/20 9:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I agree. About the only sport I watch is WNBA, and I usually watch a lot of games, but this year 3 a night six days a week is overkill. Six hour of coach potato a night is too much for me.



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PostPosted: 08/11/20 10:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'd be curious to see the comparative NBA numbers and see if they are having the same oversaturation effect. Obviously they have a bigger local market/casual fan base to bring up game to game numbers but getting the typical 250k WNBA fan base to watch national double headers 4 nights in a row seems unlikely and there aren't enough casual or regional viewers to compensate for that.


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PostPosted: 08/11/20 11:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

johnjohnW wrote:
I'd be curious to see the comparative NBA numbers and see if they are having the same oversaturation effect. Obviously they have a bigger local market/casual fan base to bring up game to game numbers but getting the typical 250k WNBA fan base to watch national double headers 4 nights in a row seems unlikely and there aren't enough casual or regional viewers to compensate for that.


Great point. You can see that even the game threads here get minimal response.

All of a sudden the three leagues I follow most closely -- the NBA, the WNBA and MLB -- are all on at the same time. I've decided to ignore the NBA for the most part, but when playoffs begin, that will change. It's the best basketball in the world, and I'm a basketball guy.



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I've decided to ignore the NBA for the most part, but when playoffs begin, that will change.

Same here. It's amazing how the NBA took months off, cut a whole bunch of games out of the schedule, carefully designed a complicated set-up so that they could play at all... and still managed to come back and play weeks of games that I couldn't find it in me to give a toss about.

The only reason that they're playing these games, and the only reason that they play 82 normally, is money. From a sporting perspective, and a viewer interest perspective, it's wildly too many. 22 might be a little too short, but honestly I think 34 was plenty for a regular season. You guys only play these games to decide who plays who in the ones that actually matter, anyway. I don't know how baseball fans retain any interest over a 162-game season.

But I digress. Some of the numbers do look pretty poor, but maybe we need more context. Has everything, even live sport, just gone down across the board? Or is all this WNBA basketball being available killing the interest in any given game?



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Richyyy wrote:
ClayK wrote:
I've decided to ignore the NBA for the most part, but when playoffs begin, that will change.

Same here. It's amazing how the NBA took months off, cut a whole bunch of games out of the schedule, carefully designed a complicated set-up so that they could play at all... and still managed to come back and play weeks of games that I couldn't find it in me to give a toss about.

The only reason that they're playing these games, and the only reason that they play 82 normally, is money. From a sporting perspective, and a viewer interest perspective, it's wildly too many. 22 might be a little too short, but honestly I think 34 was plenty for a regular season. You guys only play these games to decide who plays who in the ones that actually matter, anyway. I don't know how baseball fans retain any interest over a 162-game season.

But I digress. Some of the numbers do look pretty poor, but maybe we need more context. Has everything, even live sport, just gone down across the board? Or is all this WNBA basketball being available killing the interest in any given game?


I'd argue the surplus of national TV games is diluting the audience pool. In a typical season we can expect 150-250k viewers for an ESPN/ESPN2 game. Having 2 games a night for 4 straight nights is going to spread out the audience. I'm a massive fan and in the last few seasons, I managed to watch almost all national TV games love or via DVR and most Phoenix games on league pass. This season, with the compressed schedule and almost daily national games, I'm lucky to keep up with just the Phx games. When normally I would have a week, sometimes two in between ESPN games, it was way easier to watch them all.

I'd say the same 150-250k are still watching, and maybe even more due to added interest and coverage, but that pool is being divided up between several games a day, instead of all being diverted to one game a week.

Does Nielsen have a way of measuring "unique" viewers? I doubt it, but that may be the only metric that could be improving this season. For instance, maybe. Normal season has 500-750k unique viewers divided among 16 national games, but perhaps this season is averaging 1million or more unique viewers but split among 40+national games.


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PostPosted: 08/11/20 12:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 wrote:
I guess that having part of the game off of the main channel is a valid strategy for technically boosting your ratings.

The ESPN2 portion of Sky-Mercury averaged 83,000 viewers. It averaged .03 percent of the sample in 18-49, 25-54, and 50+ and .02 percent of the sample in 18-34 and 12-34. Of course, that is not an adequate number of decimal places to really get any insight, but there was no difference in 18-49 or 12-34 between male and female ratings.


Was this the game that the soccer game overran prior to tip and the first half was moved to ESPN News? If so, that could explain the drop in views.
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PostPosted: 08/11/20 2:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I was worried with the NBA playing at the same time that ratings would be low. I hope they don't get worse when the playoffs start. Does question what they'll do next season if the NBA is planning to start around Christmas. NBA playoffs would then take place through the summer.



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